Swapping and adding hard drives

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Greetings all.

A friend has bought a new box. (finally)

He wants to give his current machine to his in-laws, as their current P75
540MB is a bit old and full.

Both machines run W98SE, his current is a P450 iirc, with a 4GB drive.

He wants to slave his HD to the new box when it gets here, and would like me
to flop the in-laws 540 to his current box, and add another 2-4GB drive so
they will have a bit of room to work.

Want to keep this as simple as possible as have LOTS of other chores to do
today.

They want to keep all their game shortcuts on the desktop, am wondering if
slaving the 540 will change the paths to the programs and would need to redo
the entire lot. Don't have their software to reload any programs except
their W98 disk

Please recommend best course to take, have an idea, but would like to hear
opinions from others a bit more advanced in tinkering than myself.

Thanks.

Mark
 
Greetings all.

A friend has bought a new box. (finally)

He wants to give his current machine to his in-laws, as their current P75
540MB is a bit old and full.

Both machines run W98SE, his current is a P450 iirc, with a 4GB drive.

He wants to slave his HD to the new box when it gets here, and would like me
to flop the in-laws 540 to his current box, and add another 2-4GB drive so
they will have a bit of room to work.

Want to keep this as simple as possible as have LOTS of other chores to do
today.

They want to keep all their game shortcuts on the desktop, am wondering if
slaving the 540 will change the paths to the programs and would need to redo
the entire lot. Don't have their software to reload any programs except
their W98 disk

Please recommend best course to take, have an idea, but would like to hear
opinions from others a bit more advanced in tinkering than myself.

Thanks.

Mark
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http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/hard.html
HTH :)
 
Greetings all.

A friend has bought a new box. (finally)

He wants to give his current machine to his in-laws, as their current P75
540MB is a bit old and full.

Both machines run W98SE, his current is a P450 iirc, with a 4GB drive.

He wants to slave his HD to the new box when it gets here, and would like me
to flop the in-laws 540 to his current box, and add another 2-4GB drive so
they will have a bit of room to work.

Want to keep this as simple as possible as have LOTS of other chores to do
today.

They want to keep all their game shortcuts on the desktop, am wondering if
slaving the 540 will change the paths to the programs and would need to redo
the entire lot. Don't have their software to reload any programs except
their W98 disk

Please recommend best course to take, have an idea, but would like to hear
opinions from others a bit more advanced in tinkering than myself.

Thanks.

Mark
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Slaving the 540MB disk will lose all the icons so you would have to
redo all the programs (difficult without the source CD's or floppies).
There might be 3rd party program that could readdress all icons and
program links but I cannot suggest one off-hand.

Instead, I suggest you clone the 540MB drive across to the "new" 2-4GB
drive. This is what Shep suggests on the URL he gave. A good program
to do this is xxcopy from www.xxcopy.com (freebie) using the command
xxcopy C:\ D:\ /clone
This will do almost all of the work. There is advice in the FAQ's at
this site on what you have to do.
 
You could install bootitng with the 540 as the master, copy its partition to
the slave, check that it boots (make it a menu option using swap) then make
the big one the master, install bootitng on it, and expand the partition to
taste.
 
here_and_there said:
Slaving the 540MB disk will lose all the icons so you would have to
redo all the programs (difficult without the source CD's or floppies).
There might be 3rd party program that could readdress all icons and
program links but I cannot suggest one off-hand.

Instead, I suggest you clone the 540MB drive across to the "new" 2-4GB
drive. This is what Shep suggests on the URL he gave. A good program
to do this is xxcopy from www.xxcopy.com (freebie) using the command
xxcopy C:\ D:\ /clone
This will do almost all of the work. There is advice in the FAQ's at
this site on what you have to do.
Click to expand...

I'n in a situation where I have a dying HDD (new bad clusters every week) on
a system running XP. I see on xxcopy's page they only talk about copying win
98/ME although they say it will run on XP. Any idea if it'll do a perfect
copy of my XP boot drive formatted with NTFS?

If not then do you know what will? The configuration I'm running took me
months to set up and tweak until I was happy with it, I'd hate to start from
scratch. I tried doing a copy with Partition Magic Pro 7.0 but the drive I
copied to isn't bootable and has 170Mb less on it than the drive I copied
from. (Pagefile is on a different drive)

Thanks,
 
here_and_there said:
to do this is xxcopy from www.xxcopy.com (freebie) using the command
xxcopy C:\ D:\ /clone
This will do almost all of the work. There is advice in the FAQ's at
this site on what you have to do.
Click to expand...

Thanks all.

After seeing the price of Norton's Ghost xxcopy worked wonderfully.

Thanks again.
 
~misfit~ said:
I'n in a situation where I have a dying HDD (new bad clusters every week) on
a system running XP. I see on xxcopy's page they only talk about copying win
98/ME although they say it will run on XP. Any idea if it'll do a perfect
copy of my XP boot drive formatted with NTFS?

If not then do you know what will? The configuration I'm running took me
months to set up and tweak until I was happy with it, I'd hate to start from
scratch. I tried doing a copy with Partition Magic Pro 7.0 but the drive I
copied to isn't bootable and has 170Mb less on it than the drive I copied
from. (Pagefile is on a different drive)
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xxcopy will work for Win98, since you use fdisk to set up the partitions. It
does a superior job of copying all the other files to their proper places,
preserving long file names, which the standard xcopy sometimes messes up.

WinXP does not use a standard boot routine, and xxcopy will not produce a
bootable drive since it does not even attempt to copy the boot record.

The "ghost" programs do a bit-for-bit copy, including the boot record, of the
disk being replicated.

You might try restoring the page file to the drive, and then use PM, or any
other bit-copy program, to copy to the new drive. If the old drive is up to
it, do a scandisk and defrag before copying.

Good luck!

Virg Wall
 
V W Wall said:
xxcopy will work for Win98, since you use fdisk to set up the partitions. It
does a superior job of copying all the other files to their proper places,
preserving long file names, which the standard xcopy sometimes messes up.

WinXP does not use a standard boot routine, and xxcopy will not produce a
bootable drive since it does not even attempt to copy the boot record.

The "ghost" programs do a bit-for-bit copy, including the boot record, of the
disk being replicated.

You might try restoring the page file to the drive, and then use PM, or any
other bit-copy program, to copy to the new drive. If the old drive is up to
it, do a scandisk and defrag before copying.

Good luck!
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Thanks. I'm half-an-hour into a new install. I did as you suggested but PM
didn't complete the copy due to bad sectors (or a similar comment). Bugger!
I hoped to avoid this.
 
In alt.windows98

: Instead, I suggest you clone the 540MB drive across to the "new" 2-4GB
: drive. This is what Shep suggests on the URL he gave. A good program
: to do this is xxcopy from www.xxcopy.com (freebie) using the command
: xxcopy C:\ D:\ /clone
: This will do almost all of the work. There is advice in the FAQ's at
: this site on what you have to do.

I think I used xcopy32 to clone my 20 to a 40,
and it seemed to work better than xxcopy, with less
/switches.

Joe Fischer
 
Howdy!

Joe Fischer said:
In alt.windows98

: Instead, I suggest you clone the 540MB drive across to the "new" 2-4GB
: drive. This is what Shep suggests on the URL he gave. A good program
: to do this is xxcopy from www.xxcopy.com (freebie) using the command
: xxcopy C:\ D:\ /clone
: This will do almost all of the work. There is advice in the FAQ's at
: this site on what you have to do.

I think I used xcopy32 to clone my 20 to a 40,
and it seemed to work better than xxcopy, with less
/switches.
Click to expand...

XXCOPY can use all the XCOPY32 switches, and adds some more for
extra features. Plus, the /CLONE switch, all by its lonesome, does stuff
that XCOPY32 can NOT do.

HOWEVER - XCOPY32 will NOT preserve short file names. XXCOPY does.

That makes it the better choice for moving anything that might be
referred to by a short file name, such as almost anything in a Microsoft
Office suite ...

RwP
 
XXCOPY can use all the XCOPY32 switches,
and adds some more for extra features. Plus, the
/CLONE switch, all by its lonesome, does stuff
that XCOPY32 can NOT do.
Click to expand...


I notice that the author of xxcopy suggests using xxcopy
with other MS standard utilities such as FDISK. I searched
my WinXP system, and there's no fdisk.exe file. Is there
an equivalent utility in WinXP?


*TimDaniels*
 
No. You need to use a Win98 bootdisk.

-
Timothy Daniels stood up at show-n-tell, in
(e-mail address removed), and said:
 
In alt.windows98

: Instead, I suggest you clone the 540MB drive across to the "new" 2-4GB
: drive. This is what Shep suggests on the URL he gave. A good program
: to do this is xxcopy from www.xxcopy.com (freebie) using the command
: xxcopy C:\ D:\ /clone
: This will do almost all of the work. There is advice in the FAQ's at
: this site on what you have to do.

I think I used xcopy32 to clone my 20 to a 40,
and it seemed to work better than xxcopy, with less
/switches.

Joe Fischer
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What is simpler then xxcopy C: D: /clone?
 
Howdy!

I notice that the author of xxcopy suggests using xxcopy
with other MS standard utilities such as FDISK. I searched
my WinXP system, and there's no fdisk.exe file. Is there
an equivalent utility in WinXP?
Click to expand...

Yes, it's called DISKPART. Or you can use Disk Management.

HOWEVER - You can NOT be running XP and XXCOPY copy it.

GHOST / Drive Image / BING / Radish Partition Manager / several
other utilities are BETTER for imaging your HD to another drive, for NT
class OSes.

RwP
 
"Ralph Wade Phillips" replied:
Yes, it's called DISKPART. Or you can use Disk Management.

HOWEVER - You can NOT be running XP and XXCOPY copy it.

GHOST / Drive Image / BING / Radish Partition Manager / several
other utilities are BETTER for imaging your HD to another drive, for NT
class OSes.
Click to expand...


OK, I'm covered. Xxcopy sounds so cool, though. Maybe 'cuz
it's free. I wonder if it'll still be free, though, when the author
finishes
the Windows GUI for it. Maybe he'll rename it Gooey 2nds and
sell it for $29.95 . :-)


*TimDaniels*
 
Howdy!

Timothy Daniels said:
"Ralph Wade Phillips" replied:


OK, I'm covered. Xxcopy sounds so cool, though. Maybe 'cuz
it's free. I wonder if it'll still be free, though, when the author
finishes
the Windows GUI for it. Maybe he'll rename it Gooey 2nds and
sell it for $29.95 . :-)
Click to expand...

Unfortunately, for professionals, it's not free. Fortunately, it's
cheap ... {grins}

RwP
 
Howdy!



Unfortunately, for professionals, it's not free. Fortunately, it's
cheap ... {grins}

RwP
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Or free if you have been given a licence by the author Kan Yabumoto
;-)
 
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