Survey - Your thoughts on SPP

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Saucy Sass

Go ahead and chime in.

Read this:

"The EULA business on the retail license transfer summed up to zero (minus
one plus one equals zero) only now everyone is saying "thank you Microsoft"
as if a favour was done. It's like saying "thank you for not beating me
again" .. sort of a victim psychology.

But not touched in the EULA was the provisions on the SPP (Software
Protection Platform) which will search your computer, report on your
computer and your internet protocol address and puts in place the mechanism
to seize your computer and all your electronic documents and papers without
legal warrant and with out any legal recourse available to you and all at
the whim and caprice of Microsoft, essentially giving no heed to your blood
won civil liberties what so ever."

What do you think about that? Does permitting SPP compromise your
principles? Do you think it is spot on? Off the rocker? What?

Do you think SPP is the best thing since sliced bread ("Oh, those nasty
pirates next door! They copied Windows to their den computer! And downloaded
an MP3! Those criminals should have their computers seized! Courts? 'Never
heard of 'em. Shoot them now - summary style like in a village in China")

Or

Do you want to ask Microsoft to relent on the SPP provisions in the EULA
[section 5 "Validation"]?
 
Saucy said:
Go ahead and chime in.

Read this:

"The EULA business on the retail license transfer summed up to zero (minus
one plus one equals zero) only now everyone is saying "thank you Microsoft"
as if a favour was done. It's like saying "thank you for not beating me
again" .. sort of a victim psychology.

But not touched in the EULA was the provisions on the SPP (Software
Protection Platform) which will search your computer, report on your
computer and your internet protocol address and puts in place the mechanism
to seize your computer and all your electronic documents and papers without
legal warrant and with out any legal recourse available to you and all at
the whim and caprice of Microsoft, essentially giving no heed to your blood
won civil liberties what so ever."

What do you think about that? Does permitting SPP compromise your
principles? Do you think it is spot on? Off the rocker? What?

Do you think SPP is the best thing since sliced bread ("Oh, those nasty
pirates next door! They copied Windows to their den computer! And downloaded
an MP3! Those criminals should have their computers seized! Courts? 'Never
heard of 'em. Shoot them now - summary style like in a village in China")

Or

Do you want to ask Microsoft to relent on the SPP provisions in the EULA
[section 5 "Validation"]?
Click to expand...
LOL- Ya prolly won't get a good reception from many who comment in here;
but from my other posts; you know what I think; BAD BAD BAD SPP.
So bad, in fact; that it's predecessor in XP-WGA N looks like it's been
pulled from the Microsoft update servers.

YES- MSFT BACK OFF SPP-and then you'll see more people jump on the Vista
train!
:-)

Jeff
 
I have said it before.
The understanding I have is that SPP will only effect you if you are running
a copy of Vista or Office that can not be verified as valid. Will there be
errored systems that are valid, but show as not valid. It may happen, but my
guess is that if it does, it will be very rare.
Software protection and Piracy. Is it fair that SPP should minimize the
abilities of a copy of Vista or Office that is invalid or Pirated? Seems fair
to me. Whether you agree with piracy or disagree with pircay, theft is theft.
If you steal the program, and it makes your life hell, well, you shouldn't
have stolen it.
As far as my principals goes, i don't really have to worry about it. The
copy of Vista I will have on my computer will be valid and genuine. I don't
use pirated software anymore. If it is worth having, it is worth paying for.
And if Microsoft wants to do an integrity check from time to time, so be it.
I have nothing to worry about.

Do you?


Jeff said:
Saucy said:
Go ahead and chime in.

Read this:

"The EULA business on the retail license transfer summed up to zero (minus
one plus one equals zero) only now everyone is saying "thank you Microsoft"
as if a favour was done. It's like saying "thank you for not beating me
again" .. sort of a victim psychology.

But not touched in the EULA was the provisions on the SPP (Software
Protection Platform) which will search your computer, report on your
computer and your internet protocol address and puts in place the mechanism
to seize your computer and all your electronic documents and papers without
legal warrant and with out any legal recourse available to you and all at
the whim and caprice of Microsoft, essentially giving no heed to your blood
won civil liberties what so ever."

What do you think about that? Does permitting SPP compromise your
principles? Do you think it is spot on? Off the rocker? What?

Do you think SPP is the best thing since sliced bread ("Oh, those nasty
pirates next door! They copied Windows to their den computer! And downloaded
an MP3! Those criminals should have their computers seized! Courts? 'Never
heard of 'em. Shoot them now - summary style like in a village in China")

Or

Do you want to ask Microsoft to relent on the SPP provisions in the EULA
[section 5 "Validation"]?
Click to expand...
LOL- Ya prolly won't get a good reception from many who comment in here;
but from my other posts; you know what I think; BAD BAD BAD SPP.
So bad, in fact; that it's predecessor in XP-WGA N looks like it's been
pulled from the Microsoft update servers.

YES- MSFT BACK OFF SPP-and then you'll see more people jump on the Vista
train!
:-)

Jeff
Click to expand...
 
Gene said:
I have said it before.
The understanding I have is that SPP will only effect you if you are running
a copy of Vista or Office that can not be verified as valid. Will there be
errored systems that are valid, but show as not valid. It may happen, but my
guess is that if it does, it will be very rare.
Software protection and Piracy. Is it fair that SPP should minimize the
abilities of a copy of Vista or Office that is invalid or Pirated? Seems fair
to me. Whether you agree with piracy or disagree with pircay, theft is theft.
If you steal the program, and it makes your life hell, well, you shouldn't
have stolen it.
As far as my principals goes, i don't really have to worry about it. The
copy of Vista I will have on my computer will be valid and genuine. I don't
use pirated software anymore. If it is worth having, it is worth paying for.
And if Microsoft wants to do an integrity check from time to time, so be it.
I have nothing to worry about.

Do you?
Click to expand...

You must have a Microsoft Altar in your home. The you are guilty until
innocent program hasn't been released in its final form yet you "know"
there will be no problems.

Again, sigh, if you think someone is stealing from you, call the proper
authorities. Forcing paying customers to sit in the crossfire between
Microsoft and the pirates is not the way to do it.

Oh, and not all countries have caved into Microsoft's and other big
businesses' demands. Where I live, Spain, making copies for personal use
is legal and comes under "fair use". I can even make copies for friends
and be legal. How is Microsoft's draconian piracy programs going to deal
with that?

Alias
Jeff said:
Saucy said:
Go ahead and chime in.

Read this:

"The EULA business on the retail license transfer summed up to zero (minus
one plus one equals zero) only now everyone is saying "thank you Microsoft"
as if a favour was done. It's like saying "thank you for not beating me
again" .. sort of a victim psychology.

But not touched in the EULA was the provisions on the SPP (Software
Protection Platform) which will search your computer, report on your
computer and your internet protocol address and puts in place the mechanism
to seize your computer and all your electronic documents and papers without
legal warrant and with out any legal recourse available to you and all at
the whim and caprice of Microsoft, essentially giving no heed to your blood
won civil liberties what so ever."

What do you think about that? Does permitting SPP compromise your
principles? Do you think it is spot on? Off the rocker? What?

Do you think SPP is the best thing since sliced bread ("Oh, those nasty
pirates next door! They copied Windows to their den computer! And downloaded
an MP3! Those criminals should have their computers seized! Courts? 'Never
heard of 'em. Shoot them now - summary style like in a village in China")

Or

Do you want to ask Microsoft to relent on the SPP provisions in the EULA
[section 5 "Validation"]?
Click to expand...
LOL- Ya prolly won't get a good reception from many who comment in here;
but from my other posts; you know what I think; BAD BAD BAD SPP.
So bad, in fact; that it's predecessor in XP-WGA N looks like it's been
pulled from the Microsoft update servers.

YES- MSFT BACK OFF SPP-and then you'll see more people jump on the Vista
train!
:-)

Jeff
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Hi Gene,

I ran into this in XP with thier Genuine Advantage stuff. I could no longer
update my version of XP. Guess what? MS dosen't offer free support.
That's right, it cost me $30.00 to get this fixed, even though the tech
looked
up my number off my disks and agreed it was genuine. The $30.00, however,
was non-refundable. Now in XP, all that happens is you can't update. In
Vista it will turn your computer into a lump of coal If MS needs money all
they have to do is not recognize your version of Vista as legit, and wait
for
the money to roll in on the support calls, since they are holding you
hostage.

-- Larry Maturo


Gene Fitz said:
I have said it before.
The understanding I have is that SPP will only effect you if you are
running
a copy of Vista or Office that can not be verified as valid. Will there be
errored systems that are valid, but show as not valid. It may happen, but
my
guess is that if it does, it will be very rare.
Software protection and Piracy. Is it fair that SPP should minimize the
abilities of a copy of Vista or Office that is invalid or Pirated? Seems
fair
to me. Whether you agree with piracy or disagree with pircay, theft is
theft.
If you steal the program, and it makes your life hell, well, you shouldn't
have stolen it.
As far as my principals goes, i don't really have to worry about it. The
copy of Vista I will have on my computer will be valid and genuine. I
don't
use pirated software anymore. If it is worth having, it is worth paying
for.
And if Microsoft wants to do an integrity check from time to time, so be
it.
I have nothing to worry about.

Do you?


Jeff said:
Saucy said:
Go ahead and chime in.

Read this:

"The EULA business on the retail license transfer summed up to zero
(minus
one plus one equals zero) only now everyone is saying "thank you
Microsoft"
as if a favour was done. It's like saying "thank you for not beating me
again" .. sort of a victim psychology.

But not touched in the EULA was the provisions on the SPP (Software
Protection Platform) which will search your computer, report on your
computer and your internet protocol address and puts in place the
mechanism
to seize your computer and all your electronic documents and papers
without
legal warrant and with out any legal recourse available to you and all
at
the whim and caprice of Microsoft, essentially giving no heed to your
blood
won civil liberties what so ever."

What do you think about that? Does permitting SPP compromise your
principles? Do you think it is spot on? Off the rocker? What?

Do you think SPP is the best thing since sliced bread ("Oh, those nasty
pirates next door! They copied Windows to their den computer! And
downloaded
an MP3! Those criminals should have their computers seized! Courts?
'Never
heard of 'em. Shoot them now - summary style like in a village in
China")

Or

Do you want to ask Microsoft to relent on the SPP provisions in the
EULA
[section 5 "Validation"]?
Click to expand...
LOL- Ya prolly won't get a good reception from many who comment in here;
but from my other posts; you know what I think; BAD BAD BAD SPP.
So bad, in fact; that it's predecessor in XP-WGA N looks like it's been
pulled from the Microsoft update servers.

YES- MSFT BACK OFF SPP-and then you'll see more people jump on the Vista
train!
:-)

Jeff
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
No, I don't worship Microsoft. And I didn't say, "I know there won't be
problems." if you are going to quote me, at least quote correctly, I said,
and I quote, "It may happen, but my guess is that if it does, it will be very
rare."
I figure it will be just as common as the current WGA issues experienced in
WinXP.

As far as calling the authorities, hey, pirated users should feel lucky, my
personal view is that if someone is found using pirated copies, not only
should SPP do it's thing, but the IP address should be logged and forwarded
to the authorities. But that's just me.

Now, if you can think of a better way to curb piracy, then please offer it
up. Because it seems that the current measures already in place aren't
getting it done. And even though I don't like the process, I agree that
something needs to be done.

Microsoft gave in on the EULA, because it really asn't fair. But I don't see
them giving in on SPP.
And as far as the last statement goes, they aren't taking the parates out
behind the shed and killing them, just reducing the ability of their
computer. I am sure that one can recover from that terrible instance. Seeing
as from what I understand, as soon as one gets an honest liscense key or gets
activation corrected, the computer restored to full operability .
Moreover, if there is an issue with WGA, Activation, or Liscensing, it gives
you a 30 day notice, and counts down that 30 days in "evaluation" mode before
one sees any degradation of service. It isn't like they just shut you down
without any notice. If you get a 30 day notice, and you do nothing, who is to
blame?

You must have a Microsoft Altar in your home. The you are guilty until
innocent program hasn't been released in its final form yet you "know"
there will be no problems.

Again, sigh, if you think someone is stealing from you, call the proper
authorities. Forcing paying customers to sit in the crossfire between
Microsoft and the pirates is not the way to do it.

Oh, and not all countries have caved into Microsoft's and other big
businesses' demands. Where I live, Spain, making copies for personal use
is legal and comes under "fair use". I can even make copies for friends
and be legal. How is Microsoft's draconian piracy programs going to deal
with that?

Alias
Jeff said:
Saucy Sass wrote:
Go ahead and chime in.

Read this:

"The EULA business on the retail license transfer summed up to zero (minus
one plus one equals zero) only now everyone is saying "thank you Microsoft"
as if a favour was done. It's like saying "thank you for not beating me
again" .. sort of a victim psychology.

But not touched in the EULA was the provisions on the SPP (Software
Protection Platform) which will search your computer, report on your
computer and your internet protocol address and puts in place the mechanism
to seize your computer and all your electronic documents and papers without
legal warrant and with out any legal recourse available to you and all at
the whim and caprice of Microsoft, essentially giving no heed to your blood
won civil liberties what so ever."

What do you think about that? Does permitting SPP compromise your
principles? Do you think it is spot on? Off the rocker? What?

Do you think SPP is the best thing since sliced bread ("Oh, those nasty
pirates next door! They copied Windows to their den computer! And downloaded
an MP3! Those criminals should have their computers seized! Courts? 'Never
heard of 'em. Shoot them now - summary style like in a village in China")

Or

Do you want to ask Microsoft to relent on the SPP provisions in the EULA
[section 5 "Validation"]?


LOL- Ya prolly won't get a good reception from many who comment in here;
but from my other posts; you know what I think; BAD BAD BAD SPP.
So bad, in fact; that it's predecessor in XP-WGA N looks like it's been
pulled from the Microsoft update servers.

YES- MSFT BACK OFF SPP-and then you'll see more people jump on the Vista
train!
:-)

Jeff
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
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Well, personally I think their pushing this too far. None of their business
what I have running on my machine. I also do not like the fact that they
limit installations. Now MS say if you uninstall Vista, you can re-install
any number of times. What happens when one can not uninstall due to HD
failure? Perhaps if MS made an operating system that actually worked
flawlessly I might get excited, but over the last 15 years of playing with
PC's, Windows Operating systems have not been overly friendly with me.

Jeff said:
Saucy said:
Go ahead and chime in.

Read this:

"The EULA business on the retail license transfer summed up to zero (minus
one plus one equals zero) only now everyone is saying "thank you Microsoft"
as if a favour was done. It's like saying "thank you for not beating me
again" .. sort of a victim psychology.

But not touched in the EULA was the provisions on the SPP (Software
Protection Platform) which will search your computer, report on your
computer and your internet protocol address and puts in place the mechanism
to seize your computer and all your electronic documents and papers without
legal warrant and with out any legal recourse available to you and all at
the whim and caprice of Microsoft, essentially giving no heed to your blood
won civil liberties what so ever."

What do you think about that? Does permitting SPP compromise your
principles? Do you think it is spot on? Off the rocker? What?

Do you think SPP is the best thing since sliced bread ("Oh, those nasty
pirates next door! They copied Windows to their den computer! And downloaded
an MP3! Those criminals should have their computers seized! Courts? 'Never
heard of 'em. Shoot them now - summary style like in a village in China")

Or

Do you want to ask Microsoft to relent on the SPP provisions in the EULA
[section 5 "Validation"]?
Click to expand...
LOL- Ya prolly won't get a good reception from many who comment in here;
but from my other posts; you know what I think; BAD BAD BAD SPP.
So bad, in fact; that it's predecessor in XP-WGA N looks like it's been
pulled from the Microsoft update servers.

YES- MSFT BACK OFF SPP-and then you'll see more people jump on the Vista
train!
:-)

Jeff
Click to expand...
 
I did tech support for XP for 2 years and your statement is not true. There
is no charge for WGA issues (if you were actually charged, then it was a
mistake on the part of the CSR or they deemed for one reason or another that
your copy was indeed pirated). As far as not being refundable? This is also
not true. It is at the discretion of the technician in almost all cases
(following certain guidelines of course).

My opinion on SPP...well I see Microsoft's point in a way, as there are
millions of pirated copies of Windows world-wide..call it greed, call it what
you will, but if you were a software developer, then you would want to be
paid for your product.

Now from the other side, I disagree with SPP. Simply because it will only
keep the honest people honest. The pirates WILL find a way to crack it. They
always have and always will. I don't think that any amount of software will
ever stop people from pirating Microsoft (and any other) software.

Also the pirates probably wouldn't care if they have to format and reinstall
to get their pirated software back. Though the honest user wouldn't be
prepared for this since they have a legit copy and being flagged as a pirate
is probably the last thing on their mind.


Larry Maturo said:
Hi Gene,

I ran into this in XP with thier Genuine Advantage stuff. I could no longer
update my version of XP. Guess what? MS dosen't offer free support.
That's right, it cost me $30.00 to get this fixed, even though the tech
looked
up my number off my disks and agreed it was genuine. The $30.00, however,
was non-refundable. Now in XP, all that happens is you can't update. In
Vista it will turn your computer into a lump of coal If MS needs money all
they have to do is not recognize your version of Vista as legit, and wait
for
the money to roll in on the support calls, since they are holding you
hostage.

-- Larry Maturo


Gene Fitz said:
I have said it before.
The understanding I have is that SPP will only effect you if you are
running
a copy of Vista or Office that can not be verified as valid. Will there be
errored systems that are valid, but show as not valid. It may happen, but
my
guess is that if it does, it will be very rare.
Software protection and Piracy. Is it fair that SPP should minimize the
abilities of a copy of Vista or Office that is invalid or Pirated? Seems
fair
to me. Whether you agree with piracy or disagree with pircay, theft is
theft.
If you steal the program, and it makes your life hell, well, you shouldn't
have stolen it.
As far as my principals goes, i don't really have to worry about it. The
copy of Vista I will have on my computer will be valid and genuine. I
don't
use pirated software anymore. If it is worth having, it is worth paying
for.
And if Microsoft wants to do an integrity check from time to time, so be
it.
I have nothing to worry about.

Do you?


Jeff said:
Saucy Sass wrote:
Go ahead and chime in.

Read this:

"The EULA business on the retail license transfer summed up to zero
(minus
one plus one equals zero) only now everyone is saying "thank you
Microsoft"
as if a favour was done. It's like saying "thank you for not beating me
again" .. sort of a victim psychology.

But not touched in the EULA was the provisions on the SPP (Software
Protection Platform) which will search your computer, report on your
computer and your internet protocol address and puts in place the
mechanism
to seize your computer and all your electronic documents and papers
without
legal warrant and with out any legal recourse available to you and all
at
the whim and caprice of Microsoft, essentially giving no heed to your
blood
won civil liberties what so ever."

What do you think about that? Does permitting SPP compromise your
principles? Do you think it is spot on? Off the rocker? What?

Do you think SPP is the best thing since sliced bread ("Oh, those nasty
pirates next door! They copied Windows to their den computer! And
downloaded
an MP3! Those criminals should have their computers seized! Courts?
'Never
heard of 'em. Shoot them now - summary style like in a village in
China")

Or

Do you want to ask Microsoft to relent on the SPP provisions in the
EULA
[section 5 "Validation"]?


LOL- Ya prolly won't get a good reception from many who comment in here;
but from my other posts; you know what I think; BAD BAD BAD SPP.
So bad, in fact; that it's predecessor in XP-WGA N looks like it's been
pulled from the Microsoft update servers.

YES- MSFT BACK OFF SPP-and then you'll see more people jump on the Vista
train!
:-)

Jeff
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
The "limit installations" issue been changed in the past couple days [see
other recent posts on the subject]. Now retail Vista can be installed as
many times as you like on the same hardware. It can also be moved from
computer to computer, so long as you only use it on one computer at a time.
So if you get a new blank computer, you have to remove Vista from the old
one before installing Vista on the new one. This doesn't mean there won't be
product activation, but it does mean you get proper value for what you
shelled out for a retail version and it means the hobbiest / enthusiast is
free from concerns so long as they are not pirating.

Well, personally I think their pushing this too far. None of their
business what I have running on my machine. I also do not like the
fact that they limit installations. Now MS say if you uninstall
Vista, you can re-install any number of times. What happens when
one can not uninstall due to HD failure? Perhaps if MS made an
operating system that actually worked flawlessly I might get
excited, but over the last 15 years of playing with PC's, Windows
Operating systems have not been overly friendly with me.

Jeff said:
Saucy Sass wrote:
Go ahead and chime in.

Read this:

"The EULA business on the retail license transfer summed up to
zero (minus one plus one equals zero) only now everyone is saying
"thank you Microsoft" as if a favour was done. It's like saying
"thank you for not beating me again" .. sort of a victim
psychology.

But not touched in the EULA was the provisions on the SPP (Software
Protection Platform) which will search your computer, report on
your computer and your internet protocol address and puts in place
the mechanism to seize your computer and all your electronic
documents and papers without legal warrant and with out any legal
recourse available to you and all at the whim and caprice of
Microsoft, essentially giving no heed to your blood won civil
liberties what so ever."

What do you think about that? Does permitting SPP compromise your
principles? Do you think it is spot on? Off the rocker? What?

Do you think SPP is the best thing since sliced bread ("Oh, those
nasty pirates next door! They copied Windows to their den
computer! And downloaded an MP3! Those criminals should have their
computers seized! Courts? 'Never heard of 'em. Shoot them now -
summary style like in a village in China")

Or

Do you want to ask Microsoft to relent on the SPP provisions in
the EULA [section 5 "Validation"]?


LOL- Ya prolly won't get a good reception from many who comment in
here; but from my other posts; you know what I think; BAD BAD BAD
SPP.
So bad, in fact; that it's predecessor in XP-WGA N looks like it's
been pulled from the Microsoft update servers.

YES- MSFT BACK OFF SPP-and then you'll see more people jump on the
Vista train!
:-)

Jeff
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Gene said:
No, I don't worship Microsoft. And I didn't say, "I know there won't be
problems." if you are going to quote me, at least quote correctly, I said,
and I quote, "It may happen, but my guess is that if it does, it will be very
rare."
I figure it will be just as common as the current WGA issues experienced in
WinXP.
Click to expand...

One time, for the person it happens to, is too much. I hope it happens
to you when you have a deadline to meet so you can enjoy it to the fullest.
As far as calling the authorities, hey, pirated users should feel lucky, my
personal view is that if someone is found using pirated copies, not only
should SPP do it's thing, but the IP address should be logged and forwarded
to the authorities. But that's just me.
Click to expand...

And then get sued if it was a software glitch? Would you enjoy that too?
Now, if you can think of a better way to curb piracy, then please offer it
up. Because it seems that the current measures already in place aren't
getting it done. And even though I don't like the process, I agree that
something needs to be done.
Click to expand...

How about lowering the price of software to something reasonable instead
of charging an arm and a leg?
Microsoft gave in on the EULA, because it really asn't fair. But I don't see
them giving in on SPP.
Click to expand...

Nor do I and it will be their downfall.
And as far as the last statement goes, they aren't taking the parates out
behind the shed and killing them, just reducing the ability of their
computer.
Click to expand...

I know.
I am sure that one can recover from that terrible instance.
Click to expand...

As a paying customer, I don't feel I should have to and resent the
assumption that I am a pirate until I prove otherwise.
Seeing
as from what I understand, as soon as one gets an honest liscense key or gets
activation corrected, the computer restored to full operability .
Click to expand...

You're missing one important thing: the ordeal of having to grovel to a
phone operator so you can use software YOU HAVE PAID FOR!
Moreover, if there is an issue with WGA, Activation, or Liscensing, it gives
you a 30 day notice, and counts down that 30 days in "evaluation" mode before
one sees any degradation of service. It isn't like they just shut you down
without any notice. If you get a 30 day notice, and you do nothing, who is to
blame?
Click to expand...

If I pay for software, I shouldn't get any notices or be forced to phone
the mother ship. I should be allowed to use it.

Alias
You must have a Microsoft Altar in your home. The you are guilty until
innocent program hasn't been released in its final form yet you "know"
there will be no problems.

Again, sigh, if you think someone is stealing from you, call the proper
authorities. Forcing paying customers to sit in the crossfire between
Microsoft and the pirates is not the way to do it.

Oh, and not all countries have caved into Microsoft's and other big
businesses' demands. Where I live, Spain, making copies for personal use
is legal and comes under "fair use". I can even make copies for friends
and be legal. How is Microsoft's draconian piracy programs going to deal
with that?

Alias
:

Saucy Sass wrote:
Go ahead and chime in.

Read this:

"The EULA business on the retail license transfer summed up to zero (minus
one plus one equals zero) only now everyone is saying "thank you Microsoft"
as if a favour was done. It's like saying "thank you for not beating me
again" .. sort of a victim psychology.

But not touched in the EULA was the provisions on the SPP (Software
Protection Platform) which will search your computer, report on your
computer and your internet protocol address and puts in place the mechanism
to seize your computer and all your electronic documents and papers without
legal warrant and with out any legal recourse available to you and all at
the whim and caprice of Microsoft, essentially giving no heed to your blood
won civil liberties what so ever."

What do you think about that? Does permitting SPP compromise your
principles? Do you think it is spot on? Off the rocker? What?

Do you think SPP is the best thing since sliced bread ("Oh, those nasty
pirates next door! They copied Windows to their den computer! And downloaded
an MP3! Those criminals should have their computers seized! Courts? 'Never
heard of 'em. Shoot them now - summary style like in a village in China")

Or

Do you want to ask Microsoft to relent on the SPP provisions in the EULA
[section 5 "Validation"]?


LOL- Ya prolly won't get a good reception from many who comment in here;
but from my other posts; you know what I think; BAD BAD BAD SPP.
So bad, in fact; that it's predecessor in XP-WGA N looks like it's been
pulled from the Microsoft update servers.

YES- MSFT BACK OFF SPP-and then you'll see more people jump on the Vista
train!
:-)

Jeff
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Personally, I don't care if Microsoft goes back to every version of every
operating system or program I have installed on my computer when I am
online.

And yes, I have DOS 6.22, WFWG 3.11, Win95, WinNT 3.51, NT4.0 - all the way
up to Windows 98 running as virtual machines - as I desire. Every damn one
of them were purchased retail for my use. I still have the original boxes
and literature for said operating systems. I also have every version of
Office, starting with Office 95. Unlike many buffoons who post here, I have
never "lost" an install key (or forgot a password), and I am of an age where
I can claim the onset of Alzheimer's as a possible excuse. What can those
who lose their key claim?

Why are you people so paranoid? Afraid of getting caught with your fingers
in the cookie jar?
 
I totally agree that MSFT must have the right to protect their product from
piracy and I guess if they can do this successfully it might even bring down
the price of their software.

However I believe it should not be done by means of spying on their
customers because in effect SPP is spyware.

Their are many other ways that they could protect their software
They could put copy protection on their cd's and dvd's most pc game software
have this

They could make the user reactivate evey 3 months this way, it would be the
user contacting MSFT, not MSFT checking on the users without their
knowledge.

They could also make the product key system more robust and secure.

But in whatever way we look at it spying on legitimate customers is wrong
and I'm sure if MSFT are capable of developing advanced software such as
VISTA then I'm also sure that the technology they have will allow them to
find a better way.
 
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