Superantispyware update

[Guest]

Superantispyware program update is available - it informed me with a pop-up
today. Downloaded and installed with no problems. No problems either on a
quick scan afterwards.

 

[Guest]

PS. Don't forget to check for definitions updates afterwards. There's a
substantial download.

 

[Guest]

I read about this on Wednesday.
I'm going to wait about a week to see if there are any problems.
It seems to me the biggest Real change is for Vista, and that doesn't affect
me.
Since it's my number 5 backup checker I can wait.

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Tim
Geek w/o Portfolio

 

[Guest]

Since it's my number 5 backup checker I can wait.

You have 'em in ranking order, Tim? Like a 'my favourite movies' list?

Go on - you know we want to know. Give us the countdown to number 1......

It's a funny thing, the way we 'feel' about these programs, don't you think?
I feel instinctively that I trust Superantispyware - maybe because it picked
up a weird bit of malware for Robin that everything else had missed, but it's
more of a gut reaction really. When it tells me I'm clean, I really believe
I'm clean!

 

[Guest]

You have 'em in ranking order, Tim? Like a 'my favourite movies' list?
Go on - you know we want to know. Give us the countdown to number 1......

#1 Real Time Active Protection:
WD [Spyware], McAfee [Viruses & PUPS], TeaTimer [System Changes WD
doesn't see]

OnDemand Scanners:
#2 Adaware [trusted, established, reliable, catches selective cookies]
#3 SpyBot S&D [trusted, established, reliable, catches cookies AdAware
doesn't]
#4 Windows Defender Ondemand Scan [Updated 2x a week, MS SHOULD know what
it's doing, no false alarms yet]

3rd Tier:
#5 SuperAntiSpyware [Updates too often for me to trust that they test well.
Their support people lied to me. Also Makes system changes that are not
brought to our attention at installation]
#6 Yahoo Anti-Spy [Does not update often enough [months], but it's quick]
#7 Yahoo Norton Spyware Scan [WAY TO BIG, RARELY UPDATES[months]]

#8 XoftsoftSpy [Had a bad rep once, I don't forgive easily. False alarms in
the beginning [U3 version]]
#9 Avast AV [U3 version] [Not a bad program at all] Some reported false
alarms in its Real Time component but I don't use the RTP.

#10 ClamWin Updates Several times a day. Takes forever to run [80 minutes]
#11 U3AntiVirus [McAfee] Same engine and dats as the desktop version
[Ondemand scan only]

#'s 8,9&11must be run from the flash drive
#10 is tested 2x a week for backup purposes but takes just tooooo long to use.
#11 is never used by me [I use it to save other peoples butts]

All the above are of course Free for me [very important factor]

These [and browsing unknown sites with a "locked down" version of Firefox]
are my arsenal.

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Tim
Geek w/o Portfolio
Only the Paranoid Survive

 

[Guest]

Oh,

And of course I maintain a 30 supply of "clean" System Restore Points, [just
in case],
AND
Visit Calendar of Updates and the Windows Defender Newsgroup often for
breaking news and information.

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Tim
Geek w/o Portfolio
Only the Paranoid Survive

 

[Guest]

#1 Real Time Active Protection:
WD [Spyware], McAfee [Viruses & PUPS], TeaTimer [System Changes WD
doesn't see]

You run TeaTimer as well as the other stuff? How much of a performance hit
do you get? My equivalent RTP is WD, AVG (paid version with combined AV and
AS). They run happily enough together (albeit with mutual suspicion) but they
slow down startup enormously, slugging their way through all their checkups.
I haven't tried running TeaTimer with them.

OnDemand Scanners:
#2 Adaware [trusted, established, reliable, catches selective cookies]

I use this too, though I now know that the only two things I thought it had
caught in the past were false positives; also in the past I had to reinstall
an earlier version a couple of times because it refused to update. It doesn't
seem to do too well in comparative tests, so I'd rank it lower than no 2
myself.

#3 SpyBot S&D [trusted, established, reliable, catches cookies AdAware
doesn't]

I use this too, though it's never detected anything except cookies (unless
you count the antivirus and firewall disable notification)

#4 Windows Defender Ondemand Scan [Updated 2x a week, MS SHOULD know what it's doing, no false alarms yet]

Me too (else why would we be here?) It was very good at detecting an AOL
driver until I put a stop to that by uninstalling AOL. In fact, come to think
of it, uninstalling AOL and Norton were the two best things I ever did for my
system.

3rd Tier:
#5 SuperAntiSpyware [Updates too often for me to trust that they test well.
Their support people lied to me. Also Makes system changes that are not
brought to our attention at installation]

They lied to you? That's bad. Will you tell us how? About the reliability -
I haven't had a single false positive from it so far. So for me personally,
it has a considerably better track record on that account than does AVG
(that's had a rash of fps recently)or AdAware.

I've no experience of any of your less frequently used scanners.

My equivalent list is:

RTP: Defender and AVG antimalware (part of the AVG internet security suite)

On demand scanners:
Defender (quick scan once a day)
AVG antimalware (complete scan every few days)
asquared (quick scan once a day - it is VERY fast; smart scan once a week)
Adaware/Spybot (quick scan whenever they update)
Superantispyware (quick or complete scan every few days)

I don't think I could rank them sensibly. I use them all as often as each
other, and the reassurance comes with the totality of negative response.

 

[Randy Knobloch]

Tim - would you like a recommendation or opinion on your
installed security poducts?
I would be most happy to commnet *if* you would like the
feedback.

Randy

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[Guest]

Course he would Randy. Give it anyway. I`d be interested to LEARN

Stu

 

[Guest]

Stu,
Let me speak for myself please.

Course I would Randy, Give it to me, I'd be interested to LEARN

?
Tim

 

[Guest]

Reply is parsed:

#1 Real Time Active Protection:
WD [Spyware], McAfee [Viruses & PUPS], TeaTimer [System Changes WD
doesn't see]

You run TeaTimer as well as the other stuff? How much of a performance hit
do you get? My equivalent RTP is WD, AVG (paid version with combined AV and
AS). They run happily enough together (albeit with mutual suspicion) but they
slow down startup enormously, slugging their way through all their checkups.
I haven't tried running TeaTimer with them.

I don't always have Teatimer on. I usually will turn it on before I go
online so it sees the system before hand. I might turn it on a couple of
times a day just to "peak". If I leave it on it doesn't seem to cause any
problems. I have a fairly powerful machine by XP standards [P4 320Mhz, 1
GigRam]. If my startup was any faster than it is now I would think something
was wrong! "Powerup" to "Desktop" is less than a minute [that includes
letting the system "rest" a moment or two between Powerup and actually
logging in].

OnDemand Scanners:
#2 Adaware [trusted, established, reliable, catches selective cookies]

I use this too, though I now know that the only two things I thought it had
caught in the past were false positives; also in the past I had to reinstall
an earlier version a couple of times because it refused to update. It doesn't
seem to do too well in comparative tests, so I'd rank it lower than no 2
myself.

Have never had any problems with Adaware except for one False Positive,
which I did not allow it to fix. I NEVER allow a "fix/clean" after a new
sig/dat update unless it is confirmed by another program. The folks I
support use AdAware so I need to be current on its status. It has earned it
place.

#3 SpyBot S&D [trusted, established, reliable, catches cookies AdAware
doesn't]

I use this too, though it's never detected anything except cookies (unless
you count the antivirus and firewall disable notification)

SpyBot has never found anything but cookies [I almost never get hit mind you]
The folks I support use Spybot so I need to be current on its status. It
has earned it place. I like the Teatimer which comes with it [BTW I use 1.3]

#4 Windows Defender Ondemand Scan [Updated 2x a week, MS SHOULD know what it's doing, no false alarms yet]

Me too (else why would we be here?) It was very good at detecting an AOL
driver until I put a stop to that by uninstalling AOL. In fact, come to think
of it, uninstalling AOL and Norton were the two best things I ever did for my
system.

The one peice of Spyware/Adware I have been hit with in the past 3 years was
caught and cleaned by MS Antispyware Beta1 [I am willing to give WD credit
for it even though it is really a completely different product]

3rd Tier:
#5 SuperAntiSpyware [Updates too often for me to trust that they test well.
Their support people lied to me. Also Makes system changes that are not
brought to our attention at installation]

They lied to you? That's bad. Will you tell us how?

Not important now. The lies have been rectified in the past release of the
product.

About the reliability -
I haven't had a single false positive from it so far. So for me personally,
it has a considerably better track record on that account than does AVG
(that's had a rash of fps recently)or AdAware.

It has never found any thing on my system. They need to implement
"incremental" updates if they are going to update everyday. To have to
download the full data base every day is stupid on a modem. Now that they
have fixed their update bug I download the databases at work and bring them
home for manual updating.

I've no experience of any of your less frequently used scanners.
My equivalent list is:

RTP: Defender and AVG antimalware (part of the AVG internet security suite)

Don't like "Suites" myself. As much as love McAfee I will not even use
their suite.

On demand scanners:
Defender (quick scan once a day)
AVG antimalware (complete scan every few days)
asquared (quick scan once a day - it is VERY fast; smart scan once a week)
Adaware/Spybot (quick scan whenever they update)
Superantispyware (quick or complete scan every few days)

Sounds like you are covering you bases, good for you.
Do you have System Restore running? ?

I don't think I could rank them sensibly. I use them all as often as each
other, and the reassurance comes with the totality of negative response.

Agreed, Part of the ranking also has to do with speed. The quicker
scanners move closer to the start of the list, the longer scanners to the end.

A No Sherry scan, a One Sherry scan, a two Sherry scan ?

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Tim

 

[Guest]

Tim - would you like a recommendation or opinion on your
installed security poducts?

Course I would Randy, Give it to me, I'd be interested to LEARN (Stu)

 

[Guest]

If my startup was any faster than it is now I would think something
was wrong! "Powerup" to "Desktop" is less than a minute [that includes
letting the system "rest" a moment or two between Powerup and actually
logging in].

Haven't measured mine recently, but we're talking about using a calendar
rather than a stopwatch.

I NEVER allow a "fix/clean" after a new
sig/dat update unless it is confirmed by another program.

That's good advice. Up to a year or two ago, I lived on a plane of existence
where news of 'false positives' had never reached.

SpyBot has never found anything but cookies [I almost never get hit mind you]

Yes. My comment was just an observation, not a criticism. One would hope
that nothing would be found if there is nothing to find! Incidentally, I
flush out cookies with Ccleaner several times a day (it's so quick), keeping
the ones I want of course. So most of the time there are no tracking cookies
turning up in the scans anyway.

To have to
download the full data base every day is stupid on a modem.

Yes. I don't notice now I have broadband though.

Don't like "Suites" myself. As much as love McAfee I will not even use
their suite.

I think I am coming around to realising that I DO like suites, never having
had one before. I've had a love/hate relationship with this AVG one, but that
has nothing to do with the fact that it's a suite - my grumbles arise from
general AVG clunkiness and obscurity. I do very much like having everything
to hand from a central control; and I very much like the combined AV/AS
scanning.

Do you have System Restore running? ?

Yes of course. Remember the Defender Restore Point Wars of yore?
I also have Spywareblaster, which I forgot to mention before.

Part of the ranking also has to do with speed. The quicker
scanners move closer to the start of the list, the longer scanners to the end.

Yes, that's why a-squared gets such a lot of use by me.

A No Sherry scan, a One Sherry scan, a two Sherry scan ?

Not quite. A dram-free scan, a Teacher's blended whisky scan, a Glenmorangie
(Madeira wood finish) single malt scan.

 

[Randy Knobloch]

Inline, Tim -

#1 Real Time Active Protection:
WD [Spyware], McAfee [Viruses & PUPS], TeaTimer [System Changes WD
doesn't see]

I would disable SpyBot's "TeaTimer", if that is what you are referring to above.
It *is* troublesome and causes many users issues. I do not run it.

OnDemand Scanners:
#2 Adaware [trusted, established, reliable, catches selective cookies]
#3 SpyBot S&D [trusted, established, reliable, catches cookies AdAware
doesn't]
#4 Windows Defender Ondemand Scan [Updated 2x a week, MS SHOULD know what
it's doing, no false alarms yet]

You got that right, SpyBot will catch what Ad-aware does not and vice-versa.

3rd Tier:
#5 SuperAntiSpyware [Updates too often for me to trust that they test well.
Their support people lied to me. Also Makes system changes that are not
brought to our attention at installation]

I cannot comment on Super AntiSpyware since I have never "successfully" run it.
I regret to hear of the issues that you have had with this program.

#6 Yahoo Anti-Spy [Does not update often enough [months], but it's quick]
#7 Yahoo Norton Spyware Scan [WAY TO BIG, RARELY UPDATES[months]]
#8 XoftsoftSpy [Had a bad rep once, I don't forgive easily. False alarms in
the beginning [U3 version]]

In my opinion, the above three are overkill, you should consider uninstalling them.
Your call - just a recommendation, as too many A-S applications (will) cause problems.

#9 Avast AV [U3 version] [Not a bad program at all] Some reported false
alarms in its Real Time component but I don't use the RTP.

Cannot comment on Avast, you might look at A-V Comparatives and see how
it rates compared to other A-V apps.
(http://www.av-comparatives.org/)

#10 ClamWin Updates Several times a day. Takes forever to run [80 minutes]
#11 U3AntiVirus [McAfee] Same engine and dats as the desktop version
[Ondemand scan only]

Again, some overkill on the above perhaps?

#'s 8,9&11must be run from the flash drive

Why must they be run from a Flash drive? I lack in understanding this.
Hard-drive restrictions, perhaps, though I see no problems in running them
that way.

#10 is tested 2x a week for backup purposes but takes just tooooo long to use.

Then don't use it, uninstall as necessary!

#11 is never used by me [I use it to save other peoples butts]

OK, please explain "other people", if you do not use it yourself.

All the above are of course Free for me [very important factor]

Freeware software is not always the best choice, your choice and option.

These [and browsing unknown sites with a "locked down" version of Firefox]
are my arsenal.

I prefer IE7, you might try the following settings and use IE for a while as a default
Browser. No goad, just a suggestion.
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/restricted.htm#Setting

You may also want to add Spyware Blaster, it's an excellent program that does
/not/ run in the "background.
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html
Official Support -
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19

I hope my comments help you make the right choices in what you need
and what you should or can uninstall as being too much protection.

As I say to some posters, too much Security is not better Security.

Regards,
Randy

--
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MS - MVP Windows (IE/OE) & Windows Security, AH-VSOP

Security Tools Updates
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Reply to group, as return address is invalid that we may all benefit.

 

[Guest]

Randy,
Thanks for the feed back,
Inline continues:

Inline, Tim -

#1 Real Time Active Protection:
WD [Spyware], McAfee [Viruses & PUPS], TeaTimer [System Changes WD
doesn't see]

I would disable SpyBot's "TeaTimer", if that is what you are referring to above.
It *is* troublesome and causes many users issues. I do not run it.

It is not running actively most of the time. I like to launch it before and
after an installation to see if it catches anything, that how I learned that
SuperAntiSpyware was trying to install in WinLogon [or is it WinLogin?]

I've heard that some people have some conflicts with WD [if they both find
something who goes first]. I myself have never had them both vie for my
attention at the same. If it happens I would have to reevaluate my policy.

OnDemand Scanners:
#2 Adaware [trusted, established, reliable, catches selective cookies]
#3 SpyBot S&D [trusted, established, reliable, catches cookies AdAware
doesn't]
#4 Windows Defender Ondemand Scan [Updated 2x a week, MS SHOULD know what
it's doing, no false alarms yet]

You got that right, SpyBot will catch what Ad-aware does not and vice-versa.

That's why I use them both

3rd Tier:
#5 SuperAntiSpyware [Updates too often for me to trust that they test well.
Their support people lied to me. Also Makes system changes that are not
brought to our attention at installation]

I cannot comment on Super AntiSpyware since I have never "successfully" run it.
I regret to hear of the issues that you have had with this program.

Why have you never been able to ' "successfully" run it.' do you think?

#6 Yahoo Anti-Spy [Does not update often enough [months], but it's quick]
#7 Yahoo Norton Spyware Scan [WAY TO BIG, RARELY UPDATES[months]]
#8 XoftsoftSpy [Had a bad rep once, I don't forgive easily. False alarms in
the beginning [U3 version]]

In my opinion, the above three are overkill, you should consider uninstalling them.
Your call - just a recommendation, as too many A-S applications (will) cause problems.

You are correct, definite over kill, but as neither one is Yahoos' is real
time no problems are caused. I just run them to look for false positives
[Norton has had one from day one] and to see if they find anything.

The Xoftspy is another case. It also is not real time. It actually found a
very suspicious setting in my registry that NO other program found. It turns
out it was put there by the SysAdmins at my work, but it really should have
gotten the attention of other scanners and did not. Sorry, I don't recall
what it was.
Since it is a U3 program I can carry it around [see below]

#9 Avast AV [U3 version] [Not a bad program at all] Some reported false
alarms in its Real Time component but I don't use the RTP.

Cannot comment on Avast, you might look at A-V Comparatives and see how
it rates compared to other A-V apps.
(http://www.av-comparatives.org/)

#10 ClamWin Updates Several times a day. Takes forever to run [80 minutes]
#11 U3AntiVirus [McAfee] Same engine and dats as the desktop version
[Ondemand scan only]

Again, some overkill on the above perhaps?

#'s 8,9&11must be run from the flash drive

Why must they be run from a Flash drive? I lack in understanding this.
Hard-drive restrictions, perhaps, though I see no problems in running them
that way.

#'s 8,9,&11 are "portable" applications that are designed to run from a
"special" [proprietary] flash drive platform called "U3". They do not
"install" in the normal sense of the word so you can take them from machine
to machine:
see http://www.u3.com

Then don't use it, uninstall as necessary!

It too is a portable application [but not U3] that I can use from a flash
drive. It is not installed in any sense of the word, it is self contained
and runs from a directory.

#11 is never used by me [I use it to save other peoples butts]

OK, please explain "other people", if you do not use it yourself.

All the "portable" applications above can/do reside on a flash drive.
When "Jim" calls me with his "problems" I pull out my "Emergency Flash
Drive" and head on over. He, of course, has not updated his virus protection
or antispy/adware programs in months. From my flash drive I scan his hard
drive for Viruses using my portable McAfee, Avast, and ClamWin and then scan
for Spyware/Adware with Xoftspy and Ad-Aware [I made my own portable version
of Ad-Aware, it's really easy]

All the above are of course Free for me [very important factor]

Freeware software is not always the best choice, your choice and option.

Note, I said "Free for me" not "Freeware". For example, McAfee is not
freeware, but I get it through my job, so it is "Free for me"

These [and browsing unknown sites with a "locked down" version of Firefox]
are my arsenal.

I prefer IE7, you might try the following settings and use IE for a while as a default
Browser. No goad, just a suggestion.
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/restricted.htm#Setting

Been there, done that.
IE6 "IS" my default browser. I will definitely install IE7 when it comes
out of Gamma testing. It has been blocked by the SysAdmins at my work. When
they allow it I will install it on my work machine, figure out how to make it
do what I want instead of what MS wants, wait for the release of the Delta
[SP1] and then download the terribly large install file to my flash drive,
take it home and install it.

The beauty of FF is it is much easier to lock down on the fly.

You may also want to add Spyware Blaster, it's an excellent program that does
/not/ run in the "background.

If it does what I think it does, I probably have not used it for the same
reason I have not used the "immunize" function of SpyBot, way too many
changes made to the system/registry that I do not understand and can't
control. If I want to install X, and it has been "immunized" or "blasted"
and will not install I want to know why, Not just have hundreds of things
"blocked" in one fell swoop.

I hope my comments help you make the right choices in what you need
and what you should or can uninstall as being too much protection.

Thank you for your feed back, it is very appreciated.

?
Tim

 

[Guest]

Inline replies:

If my startup was any faster than it is now I would think something
was wrong! "Powerup" to "Desktop" is less than a minute [that includes
letting the system "rest" a moment or two between Powerup and actually
logging in].

Haven't measured mine recently, but we're talking about using a calendar
rather than a stopwatch.

Sorry to hear that, I have power, you have speed [broadband], someday I'll
have both ;-)

That's good advice. Up to a year or two ago, I lived on a plane of existence
where news of 'false positives' had never reached.

Yeah, who watches the watchers? Oh, that's right, Me!

SpyBot has never found anything but cookies [I almost never get hit mind you]

Yes. My comment was just an observation, not a criticism. One would hope
that nothing would be found if there is nothing to find! Incidentally, I
flush out cookies with Ccleaner several times a day (it's so quick), keeping
the ones I want of course. So most of the time there are no tracking cookies
turning up in the scans anyway.

I'm still playing with CCleaner. My system is so clean the it only finds
about finds about 4 MB of files to clean and that includes a 2.5 MB index.dat
file in my history. [I don't have it check for MS HOTFIX Uninstall files
[Patch Uninstall files], I'm not ready to play with those yet.]

In Firefox I have cookies disabled for all but the most needed sites [like
this one]
This is also one of the few sites I allow to run JavaScipt [the NOSCRIPT
extension is great, I wish MS could come up with something like it].

Yes. I don't notice now I have broadband though.

Someday, Someday

I think I am coming around to realising that I DO like suites, never having
had one before. I've had a love/hate relationship with this AVG one, but that
has nothing to do with the fact that it's a suite - my grumbles arise from
general AVG clunkiness and obscurity. I do very much like having everything
to hand from a central control; and I very much like the combined AV/AS
scanning.

To each their own of course

Yes of course. Remember the Defender Restore Point Wars of yore?

Ah yes, I remember better than most ;-)

I also have Spywareblaster, which I forgot to mention before.

I need to look into it again but if I recall correctly it "blasts"
2,874,327 things at once [I'm kidding] and I like a little more control than
that. This is why I have not used the "immunize" function in SpyBot.

Yes, that's why a-squared gets such a lot of use by me.

And that's why ClamWin only gets run during movie time

Not quite. A dram-free scan, a Teacher's blended whisky scan, a Glenmorangie
(Madeira wood finish) single malt scan.

Ah, but Sherry is only 40 proof so I can have three and not accidentally
format my Hard Drive ;-). "Madeira wood finish", I'm not a whiskey man
myself but that sounds good. I assume it has the same effect as the oak used
in my favorite brandy, Martell Cordon Blu .

All the best,
?
Tim

 

[Guest]

LOL !!

Stu

Stu,
Let me speak for myself please.

Course I would Randy, Give it to me, I'd be interested to LEARN

?
Tim

 

[Guest]

In my opinion, the above three are overkill, you should consider uninstalling them.
Your call - just a recommendation, as too many A-S applications (will) cause problems.

But surely, Randy, the problems will arise only if they're running in the
background to provide RTP? If you're using them as on-demand scanners (as in
Tim's case, and indeed in mine to a lesser extent) there shouldn't be a
problem in general?

Of course occasionally issues crop up - like the recent Spybot issue, where
the interaction between the Spybot scan and AVG's RTP slowed the Spybot scan
down virtually to a standstill. But that was recognised as a Spybot problem,
and was resolved. Apart from that single issue (now fixed), I've never
encountered any difficulty in doing on-demand scanning with a wide range of
AS programs, myself - and generally speaking it seems to be a recommended
practice. Isn't that so? (If it isn't, I've been wasting my time these last
few months trying to put together an effective arsenal that I can trust.)

 

[Guest]

:

(about Spywareblaster):

I need to look into it again but if I recall correctly it "blasts"
2,874,327 things at once [I'm kidding] and I like a little more control than
that.

Yes that worried me too, and I delayed installing it for a long time. When I
did, I experienced no ill effects whatsoever. Furthermore, my understanding
is that you can undo everything it does - so it seems very unlikely that it
would cause any permanent problem. But then again, I feel very uncomfortable
with Firefox and still use IE6 - so maybe my need for this extra passive
protection is greater than yours.

This is why I have not used the "immunize" function in SpyBot.

Yes - I delayed doing that too, for ages. I wanted to check that
Spywareblaster caused no problems first. But again, when I decided eventually
to use the immunise function, I encountered no problems at all. And again -
it can be undone.

"Madeira wood finish", I'm not a whiskey man
myself but that sounds good.

If your experience of whisky is limited mainly to blends, then you may not
even recognise Glenmorangie Madeira wood finish single malt as whisky.
Definitely something you should try before you die. Try the Port and Sherry
wood finishes, too. (Or even just plain Glenmorangie single malt, for that
matter.)

I assume it has the same effect as the oak used
in my favorite brandy, Martell Cordon Blu .

Yes. This statement of preference is further evidence that you really should
try it. The world needs more single malt whisky and less spyware.

 

[Guest]

Of course in the interests of "full disclosure" I should mention that I also
have, and keep updated, just in case,

MS Monthly Malicious Software Removal Tool
MS/Sysinternals RootkitRevealer v1.71
McAfee Rootkit Detective [Beta]
McAfee Stinger and
Avast Stand alone Virus Cleaner 1.0.209

these can all be run from a flash drive,

"he says sheepishly as in crawls back into his cave ..."

?:-\
Tim