'Stuffing' a page with text

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I entered this as a reply to another reply in my non-viewable souce topic,
but since it is a new topic, I am also entering it as a new topic.
I was told 'stuffing' a page with text will penalize me in a search.
Some sties use a 'site map', which is basically hundreds, or even thousnads
of words liting the items they sell.
One of my pages is for auto parts, and I have about 12 suppliers for both
foreign and domestic cars.
To cover everything would take over 20,000 words, and I have reduced it to
just over 6,000.
Now for the question. If someone types in this search: 1928 Ford Model T
front drop axle chrome plated with aftermarket disc brake kit, wouldn't each
of those words need to appear as text somewhere on a page to match the search?
My goal is for someone doing the search to see whether the EXACT item they
are looking for is either available or not from one of my suppliers, and if
they click on my site from the search, rather than have a page open with
nothing but text, including the words they used in the search, an automotive
home page opens, with links and catagories they can choose from to locate the
item they need.
I'm also an old hot rodder, so I have an idea of how someone like me will
enter a search. Once we finally discover the web (many of my friends still
use magazines or make phone calls all over the country), we can get pretty
specific in our searches, and get frustrated quickly when 130,000 plus
results appear, each with just a couple of words matching what we entered in
our search.
I'm new to this, and I'm building my site from the perspective of what I
want to see when I do a search, so I will appreciate all the advise and
suggestions I can get.
Thank you all, and I look forward to any and all suggetions.
 
**If** there is a page in your site that contains the text: 1928 Ford Model T front drop
axle chrome plated with aftermarket disc brake kit

*And If* you have clickable links to this page somewhere in your web.
*And If* you have your robots.txt file set up to allow search engine spiders to index your
web.
*And If* "each" page of your web contains: <meta name="ROBOTS" content="index,follow">
in the head section of the page, the search engines will find: 1928 Ford Model T front
drop axle chrome plated with aftermarket disc brake kit
no matter how many levels deep it is buried in your web.

As to "stuffing" pages with text, yes, the "Good" search engines will ignore that page and
not index it.
Especially if you hide the "stuffed" text.

Additionally, "stuffing" the meta keywords with text that does not appear in the visible
text on the page, will cause search engines to ignore your pages.


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Steve Easton
Microsoft FrontPage MVP
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http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
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http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm
 
Thank you Steve.
All of the words I used actually are on my automotive page, including 6,000+
more words.
I put them on 3 hidden layers, so the page takes forever to load. That was
why I thought about using a redirect from another page once I learned how to
do it.
Since you state they will be ignored if not visible, I will move the text to
another page, make them visible, and try the redirect thing for that page to
the actual
automotive home page, and I will make sure all of the other "if's" are
present, including the HTML you included at the top of each page.
One question: the "if" about the robots.txt file... I'm not sure what that
is. Could you possibly elaborate?
Just pretend I got fed up, quit my job, bought FP about a month ago,
installed it, and dove in head first with absolutely no idea about what I'm
doing regarding building a web site... but have been up about 18 to 20 hours
a day since trying to learn as much as I possibly can while building the
pages.
OK, so you don't have to pretend.
Thinking of changing my nic to sleepless in Indiana.
 
Also, note, that if you use a redirect, less than 10 seconds or so, the
search engines will also not pick up on it, and will penalize you.
 
Thank you Tom.

Hmmmm. Well, I guess I'll have to add a line that says 'automotive hom page
loading' or something for the 10 seconds. I don't imagine it will look the
best, but at least it will eliminate the need for a customer to click on a
link, and wonder what the heck they're looking at when the text page opens.
Maybe I'll just blatently list the text on the automtive page, with the
actual, usable text and images ilarger, and n a different color, sort of like
the text is the background or something.. I'll figure something out. I've
come too far to give up now.

Thank you again.
 
*And If* "each" page of your web contains: <meta name="ROBOTS"
content="index,follow">
in the head section of the page,
Click to expand...

Steve..do you really find that using that particular meta actually helps?
The reason I ask is basically I only use it for areas which I want to *not*
be spidered..but don't use it for areas that I do want. It at least appears
to me that all areas get spidered when not using it. But maybe there is
another reason I am not aware of.

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Joe

Microsoft MVP FrontPage

FrontPage and Expressions Users Forums:
http://www.timeforweb.com/frontpage
 
Hi Joe,

"Supposedly" the "good" search engines honor it and follow it.
I always use it to ensure the spiders have permission.

Mine is this:
User-agent: *
Disallow: /cgi-bin/
Disallow: /images/

I don't know for sure if it makes a difference in the following statement,
but: "the major search engines spider my sites every day,"
and images in my sites don't show in Google if I search by image file
names.!!
 
Open notepad.
Copy and paste the following into it:
User-agent: *
Disallow: /cgi-bin/
Disallow: /images/
Disallow: /sitecons/Save it as robots.txt and place a copy in the root of your web. (
where index.htm lives )-- Steve EastonMicrosoft MVP FrontPage"Tat"
 
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