Strange IE Behavior

[Tony]

When I go to this link:
http://www.shotimes.com/SHO4exhaust.html

I briefly get a download dialog, and then the page opens in a new window,
and from my CACHE!!!

Are others seeing this behavior? Or is it just my browser?

My computer is free of spyware and viruses.

Thanks,

Tony
Win98SE IE6

 

[Robert Aldwinckle]

When I go to this link:
http://www.shotimes.com/SHO4exhaust.html

I briefly get a download dialog,

For what? View, Privacy Report (Alt-V,v) shows that there are only
two images associated with that page: a .gif and a .JPG (oddly
capitalized like that.)

and then the page opens in a new window,
and from my CACHE!!!

What's in the Address bar?

 

[Tony]

For what? View, Privacy Report (Alt-V,v) shows that there are only
two images associated with that page: a .gif and a .JPG (oddly
capitalized like that.)

The download dialog is blank.

What's in the Address bar?

Do you understand what it means when I write that it opened from my cache?
Because if you don't, then my answer won't make much sense to you.

What's in your address bar when you open that page, Robert Aldwinckle?

 

[Robert Aldwinckle]

The download dialog is blank.


Do you understand what it means when I write that it opened from my cache?

Yes. That's why I asked the question.

Because if you don't, then my answer won't make much sense to you.

What's in your address bar when you open that page, Robert Aldwinckle?

I don't have a problem with your link. Online the link appears in the Address bar
as it normally does. The Privacy Report as I mentioned shows there are
only three files associated with that page. The TIF viewer (Alt-T,O,Alt-S,V)
shows that all three are cached and in fact I am just now reviewing them
while offline. BTW I also just tried launching it from the TIF and could
see no difference (again, while Offline). There was an initial warning about
trying this but then it fully rendered and the Address bar still contains the URL,
not giving me any indication of something which would make me remark
"the page opens in a new window, and from my CACHE!!!"


HTH

Robert
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[mae]

For me the same just as you said, on 98se, IE6sp1.
Very strange:
I got the file download notice first about html document -
C:\WINDOWS\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\P4X6330S\SHO4exhaust[1].html
was in the address bar and all the picts were red x's.
Never saw actual website.
--
mae

|
| | > | > > When I go to this link:
| > > http://www.shotimes.com/SHO4exhaust.html
| > >
| > > I briefly get a download dialog,
| >
| > For what? View, Privacy Report (Alt-V,v) shows that there are only
| > two images associated with that page: a .gif and a .JPG (oddly
| > capitalized like that.)
|
| The download dialog is blank.
|
| >
| >
| > > and then the page opens in a new window,
| > > and from my CACHE!!!
| >
| > What's in the Address bar?
|
| Do you understand what it means when I write that it opened from my cache?
| Because if you don't, then my answer won't make much sense to you.
|
| What's in your address bar when you open that page, Robert Aldwinckle?
|
|
|
|

 

[Robert Aldwinckle]

....
| > | > > When I go to this link:
| > > http://www.shotimes.com/SHO4exhaust.html
| > >
| > > I briefly get a download dialog,

| > > and then the page opens in a new window,
| > > and from my CACHE!!!

For me the same just as you said, on 98se, IE6sp1.
Very strange:
I got the file download notice first about html document -

Tony said that his was blank. Are you saying yours was
some type information and a dash?

C:\WINDOWS\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\P4X6330S\SHO4exhaust[1].html
was in the address bar and all the picts were red x's.
Never saw actual website.

Check to see if any of the three files are in your TIF too.
(e.g. use the TIF viewer Alt-T,O,Alt-S,V )

If they are all there first try setting Work Offline and retrying
the link. Or, something which gives me an equivalent end result,
open the .html page from the TIF. (You have to Ok a warning
message to get that example started.)

Do you have any scanning software active which would have
detected that file as it was being received? If so, if it keeps
any logs of its scans was any remark made about these files?

Another approach to diagnosing what is happening might be
to use FileMon. I think you could filter as specifically as Content.IE5
or as generally as just Temp to get some interesting results
without being overwhelmed.


HTH

Robert
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[mae]

| ...
| > | ...
| > | > | > | > > When I go to this link:
| > | > > http://www.shotimes.com/SHO4exhaust.html
| > | > >
| > | > > I briefly get a download dialog,
|
| > | > > and then the page opens in a new window,
| > | > > and from my CACHE!!!
|
|
| > For me the same just as you said, on 98se, IE6sp1.
| > Very strange:
| > I got the file download notice first about html document -
|
| Tony said that his was blank. Are you saying yours was
| some type information and a dash?

the dash was typo err.
Had the usual download notice,
|
| > C:\WINDOWS\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\P4X6330S\SHO4exhaust[1].html
| > was in the address bar and all the picts were red x's.
| > Never saw actual website.
|
| Check to see if any of the three files are in your TIF too.
| (e.g. use the TIF viewer Alt-T,O,Alt-S,V )

see below

| If they are all there first try setting Work Offline and retrying
| the link. Or, something which gives me an equivalent end result,
| open the .html page from the TIF. (You have to Ok a warning
| message to get that example started.)
|
| Do you have any scanning software active which would have
| detected that file as it was being received? If so, if it keeps
| any logs of its scans was any remark made about these files?
|
| Another approach to diagnosing what is happening might be
| to use FileMon. I think you could filter as specifically as
Content.IE5
| or as generally as just Temp to get some interesting results
| without being overwhelmed.

I have "confirm open after download" checked for html files.
Unchecking that produced no download notice, just the quick flash, and the
same in the addressbar. Tony probably has that unchecked.

It was a usual download link as I got this notice:
filename: SHO4exhaust.html
type: HTML Doc
from: www.shotimes.com
upon checking to open, this was address;
C:\WINDOWS\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\P4X6330S\SHO4exhaust[1].html

In the cache, (no pictures just alt text for 2 thumbnails):
http://www.shotimes.com/SHO4exhaust.html
cache name : sho4exhaust.html
size: 7.19 kb Last Modified: 12-29-01
__
mae

 

[Robert Aldwinckle]

In the cache, (no pictures just alt text for 2 thumbnails):
http://www.shotimes.com/SHO4exhaust.html
cache name : sho4exhaust.html
size: 7.19 kb Last Modified: 12-29-01

Did you try to launch it from the TIF viewer while offline?
I suspect that way the .html extension may override
the MIME type which I have since found is probably
what is going to account for both symptoms.

E.g. if you browse the TIF's index.dat with Notepad
(or whatever--remembering your Win9x Notepad is deficient <w>)
you can find the MIME type that the source document
was downloaded by: Content-Type: text/x-server-parsed-html

I don't have that MIME type listed in the Registry e.g. under here:
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\MIME\Database\Content Type
but I do have MIME sniffing in effect. It's a Security Settings
default (at least on XPsp2) under the Miscellaneous section
and the HTML source contains this META directive:
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">

So, one possible explanation for your symptom could be that
first, the MIME type is not recognized so that would account
for the download prompt. Then, if MIME sniffing was off (or perhaps
if it doesn't exist on your OS) the file's extension (.html) might be
processed anyway at which point the META directive would be found
and the page partially rendered. That it would be identified as coming
from the TIF subdirectory and not a URL would be a bug IMO.

I haven't had a chance to close all my IE windows and disable
MIME sniffing to see what symptom I get from that setting.

Does your Security Settings dialog have this setting in it:
Open files based on content, not file extension
If so, you could toggle that setting too and see what changes.
I'm pretty sure that it is an undocumented "requires restart" setting.
So make sure that you close all IE windows and verify iexplore.exe
has stopped being an active process before you test the change.

Additional diagnostics from your test could be a RegMon trace
with, say, MIME as the input filter.


Good luck

Robert
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[mae]

| ...
| > In the cache, (no pictures just alt text for 2 thumbnails):
| > http://www.shotimes.com/SHO4exhaust.html
| > cache name : sho4exhaust.html
| > size: 7.19 kb Last Modified: 12-29-01
|
| Did you try to launch it from the TIF viewer while offline?
| I suspect that way the .html extension may override
| the MIME type which I have since found is probably
| what is going to account for both symptoms.
|
Yes, no problem, same file regardless of how opened or saved.

| E.g. if you browse the TIF's index.dat with Notepad
| (or whatever--remembering your Win9x Notepad is deficient <w>)
| you can find the MIME type that the source document
| was downloaded by: Content-Type: text/x-server-parsed-html

Correct.

| I don't have that MIME type listed in the Registry e.g. under here:
| HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\MIME\Database\Content Type
| but I do have MIME sniffing in effect. It's a Security Settings
| default (at least on XPsp2) under the Miscellaneous section
| and the HTML source contains this META directive:
| <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">

Not that MIME tpe either. Source same.

| So, one possible explanation for your symptom could be that
| first, the MIME type is not recognized so that would account
| for the download prompt. Then, if MIME sniffing was off (or perhaps
| if it doesn't exist on your OS) the file's extension (.html) might be
| processed anyway at which point the META directive would be found
| and the page partially rendered. That it would be identified as coming
| from the TIF subdirectory and not a URL would be a bug IMO.
|
| I haven't had a chance to close all my IE windows and disable
| MIME sniffing to see what symptom I get from that setting.
|
| Does your Security Settings dialog have this setting in it:
| Open files based on content, not file extension
| If so, you could toggle that setting too and see what changes.
| I'm pretty sure that it is an undocumented "requires restart" setting.
| So make sure that you close all IE windows and verify iexplore.exe
| has stopped being an active process before you test the change.
|
| Additional diagnostics from your test could be a RegMon trace
| with, say, MIME as the input filter.

98X doesn't have all those goodies.
Perhaps it was from an old link.
goto: http://www.shotimes.com/php-bin/
and on the left column select the
Printer-friendly (no longer maintained) FAQ
I get an html file to download - no link to a page.

I got this as link to that same info via search their site.
http://www.shotimes.com/php-bin/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=153

I was just curious and confirming Tony's findings, who hasn't checked in so will drop it - no interest in car exhaust.