spdif riser, need header?

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I just got a new motherboard that has a SPDIF "riser". I think it was
3 or 4 pins.

Of course, the wires did not come with it to actually hook it up. I
think people call these "headers?"

Any ideas on getting digial audio out of this mobo? Is this something
I could buy at a radio shack?

If it is just going to a RCA connection, could I wire it myself? Would
that fry my low-end mobo?

Is it even woth playing with for a low-end mobo?

Mobo: ECS 661GX-M 1.0B Socket 478 SiS 661GX Micro ATX Intel Motherboard


Thanks-
 
I just got a new motherboard that has a SPDIF "riser". I think it was
3 or 4 pins.

Of course, the wires did not come with it to actually hook it up. I
think people call these "headers?"

Any ideas on getting digial audio out of this mobo? Is this something
I could buy at a radio shack?

If it is just going to a RCA connection, could I wire it myself? Would
that fry my low-end mobo?

Is it even woth playing with for a low-end mobo?

Mobo: ECS 661GX-M 1.0B Socket 478 SiS 661GX Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
I`ve never bothered myself, altho` I`ve got the facility, but here`s
a read for you ED.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPDIF

HTH.
 
I just got a new motherboard that has a SPDIF "riser". I think it was
3 or 4 pins.

Of course, the wires did not come with it to actually hook it up. I
think people call these "headers?"

Any ideas on getting digial audio out of this mobo? Is this something
I could buy at a radio shack?

If it is just going to a RCA connection, could I wire it myself? Would
that fry my low-end mobo?

Is it even woth playing with for a low-end mobo?

Mobo: ECS 661GX-M 1.0B Socket 478 SiS 661GX Micro ATX Intel Motherboard


Thanks-

First of all, consider what you get for your trouble. For most
sound applications, SPDIF delivers stereo (2 channels) only. It
is a 2 channel interface. When you use a movie player, and play
a DVD, the movie player application finds the Dolby AC3 stream on
the DVD and sends it to the SPDIF. At that point, the decoder
light on your receiver lights (means it is seeing AC3) and the
receiver gives you 5.1 (6 channel) sound. The way this works,
is the AC3 format is a compression standard. It squeezes 6 channels
of samples, into 2 channels. Very few things can create AC3 for
you, so the utility of SPDIF is not very good. Analog sound
has fewer restrictions. (If you make AC3 in real time with optional
software packages, the delay is about 0.5 seconds before the
sound comes out of the speakers.)

If you need an adapter bracket, primarily you should stick with
the motherboard manufacturer as the source. But some companies
don't seem to distribute their own brackets, leaving their customers
dangling in the breeze.

If you look in the manual, this is the pinout on your board.

Pin Signal_Name Function
1 SPDIF SPDIF digital output
2 +5VA 5V analog Power
3 Key No pin
4 GND Ground

Here is a picture of an Asus adapter. This one is output
only, and has an RCA coax output, and a TOSLINK optical module.

http://web.archive.org/web/20030406...w/mb/mbimages/accessories/SPDIF+out+v1_00.gif

And here is a web site (North America only), where you can buy one:

http://estore.asus.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=1013&catid=215

Now, while that adapter bracket has the right number of pins,
the right pattern (2 pins, a blank, 1 pin), the wiring is
actually opposite to the way your motherboard has it set up.
If you bought the above bracket, you'd need to take a hobby knife,
pry up the tiny plastic tabs on the connector on one end of the
cable, and move the pins to different holes. This is reasonably
easy to do.

If you look at a closeup of that adapter, there are three tiny
surface mount components near the RCA coax jack. Those components
AC couple and attenuate the logic level (high amplitude) signal
from the motherboard. You cannot take the motherboard signal
directly and connect it to the coax, as the voltage is too high.
A logic level signal is used, because of the second function on
that adapter - there is a TOSLINK module, which is an optical
connection for SPDIF. TOSLINK needs a logic level signal, in
order to send a nice 6MHz stream optically to a receiver. When
a motherboard uses the logic level signal, it makes it possible
to drive a coax (via attenuation network) and a TOSLINK (via
a cheap fiber optic module).

There are some motherboards that send low amplitude signals
directly. The header in that case only needs two pins, GND and SPDIF.
But that scheme is limited to coax output only (at least if
you don't want to pay a lot for the adapter). It looks to me
at least, like your motherboard header is a logic level type,
suitable for either or both of coax and TOSLINK.

So, loads of fun, but not worth the trouble.

Sending a digital signal, does have the advantage of using the
DACs in your receiver, rather than the DACs in the AC'97 codec (when
you use analog output). If you listened to classical music,
with high dynamic range (some quiet passages, then some loud
music), then digital from computer to receiver is worth it.
For games, the performance of the analog outputs is normally
good enough for the job. And there are more opportunities for
multi-channel speaker configurations, with analog.

Paul
 
Paul said:
Here is a picture of an Asus adapter. This one is output
only, and has an RCA coax output, and a TOSLINK optical module.

http://web.archive.org/web/20030406...w/mb/mbimages/accessories/SPDIF+out+v1_00.gif

A logic level signal is used, because of the second function on
that adapter - there is a TOSLINK module, which is an optical
connection for SPDIF.

Paul

Hi Paul, I have a MSI Hermes 651P SFF barebones media computer with a
SPDIF output on the front panel. During assembly, I lost (or broke off)
the black plastic header on the TOSLINK module connector. Do you know
if it is a replacable click on? If yes, do you know of on-line computer
parts suppliers who stock these connectors and fiber optic cables in
the US?

Since I listen to classical music, any recommendations on SPDIF
equipped speakers?

Thanks for your excellent post. Regards, Phil
 
Phil said:
Hi Paul, I have a MSI Hermes 651P SFF barebones media computer with a
SPDIF output on the front panel. During assembly, I lost (or broke off)
the black plastic header on the TOSLINK module connector. Do you know
if it is a replacable click on? If yes, do you know of on-line computer
parts suppliers who stock these connectors and fiber optic cables in
the US?

Since I listen to classical music, any recommendations on SPDIF
equipped speakers?

Thanks for your excellent post. Regards, Phil

TOSLINK optical modules come with a "dust plug". The dust plug prevents
dust and dirt from entering the barrel of the connector. You remove the
dust plug, and then insert the TOSLINK cable. (Of course, you have
to keep the dust plug clean, as if you drop the dust plug on the
average desk surface, it would be filthy. And then shoving it back
into the barrel of the module, is worse than using no plug at all.
Some expensive optical devices put the dust plug on the end of a short
chain or a plastic flap, so the plug won't sit in the desktop dirt.)

If the module is working, you would see a red LED light coming from
the barrel.

Replacement modules are available. If the module has a part number,
then you might be able to find an exact replacement. Replacement
would only be necessary if you really broke something. In this case,
you'd be looking for a TX type (i.e. a transmitter, not a
receiver). The RX type is the part that goes in your stereo,
to receive the optical signal. The second link is an example of
a TX module.

http://dkc3.digikey.com/PDF/T063/0233.pdf
http://rocky.digikey.com/WebLib/Toshiba/Web Data/TOTX177L(F,T).pdf

I only mentioned the dynamic range, as some AC'97 motherboard sound
solutions have a bad noise floor. If you turn up the stereo and
listen to classical music, during quiet passages you'll hear
motherboard electrical interference. There is less noise if
you use a PCI sound card. And the SPDIF digital link, means no
motherboard noise is added, as the stream is digital until
it gets to the receiver. Then it is up to the receiver's
DAC noise floor, as to how wide a dynamic range you can have
without hearing artifacts of some sort. You can test for this,
by comparing your AC'97 sound to a PCI sound card, and listening
to some classical music, to see if it is an issue or not. Some
motherboard AC'97 built-in sound solutions are so bad, they aren't
even fit for gaming. And that is saying a lot...

Paul
 
Thanks for the detailed post.

Since I can't easily get a SPDIF connection from my mobo, I found that
I can probably just get Sound Blaster Live external sound card that
runs on a USB connection and includes a SPDIF connection. They are
pretty cheap as well. Looks like they are < $50 and supported well in
Linux. And it may be small enough to tuck in my case...

We will see how things are supported in software... And the amps I am
looking at have 20+ different soundfield options. various 5.1, 6.1,
7.1, etc. I think I will do a 5.1 speaker system, that should suffice
for now and it fits my room better than 6.1 and 7.1.

The cable company ads promoting digital over analog make me laugh,
especially the recent one that compares a LP record to a CD. You lose
something going digital, yet they never mention that...

I wish they could get a real easy to use system up an running. HDMI
connections for all video sources to your amp, HDMI out to monitor.
Maybe even wireless options for speakers from the amp, just plug in the
speakers to an AC outlet? Home theater looks like a mess to set up and
I am fairly competent with this stuff. It would be nice to have
everything stupid easy. Maybe Apple should make home theater equipment?
 
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