SP4 is a disaster...avoid it at all costs

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Tony Rule

In true Micro$oft fashion it would appear that Win2k SP4
creates more problems than it fixes.

I installed it then ripped it back off when I had problems
using the lan for internet access. Now that's a pretty
elemetary thing - not some extreme "on the fringe" type of
thing to use you'd think they'd get it right. Actually,
given past experience I guess you wouldn't.

If you feel the need to install SP4 - make sure you do the
optional save of all the old files.

As for me I'll be waiting for SP5 - and installing that
with caution.
 
Dear Tony,

Would you mind briefly sharing what "sort of problems" you face back then? I
install Sp4 on an server so far no major problems as yet. Stable so far.

Rgds.
Y.W.Choy
 
TR:

Since the day that SP4 was mentioned in the news group, before it was publicly
announced, I have installed SP4. I have done it on numerous desktop and notebook
platforms. To date NONE have had ill effects.

Jut because YOU experienced problems doesn't mean others will and thy should
"avoid it at all costs". Actually I see posts like your BS about every time MS
puts out a new service pack. You are the beneficiary of what is deemed as "Chaos
and Complex Systems" in a computing platform.

Dave
 
I agree with you, I just installed it on 9 of the 11 machines I have
here and everything went just fine. The other 2 machines have Win98SE
so it isn't an option for them. All machines still communicate with
each other, I even have 1 machine with XP that connects occasionally,
that works just fine too.

TR:

Since the day that SP4 was mentioned in the news group, before it was publicly
announced, I have installed SP4. I have done it on numerous desktop and notebook
platforms. To date NONE have had ill effects.

Jut because YOU experienced problems doesn't mean others will and thy should
"avoid it at all costs". Actually I see posts like your BS about every time MS
puts out a new service pack. You are the beneficiary of what is deemed as "Chaos
and Complex Systems" in a computing platform.

Dave

-- Have you checked your Smoke Detector...LATELY?
 
I'm curious how many of those machines you installed SP4 on had firewire
devices? With SP3 I had ZERO issues at all. With SP4 the 1394 controller
will not load the driver at boot.
 
But bu bu bu but...

Who is serving WWW using SP4 AND uses favicons? Anyone? If so can you please send me a location which is using the favicons so that I can determine if the favicons still work at your SP4 www server? Thanks.
 
In true Micro$oft fashion it would appear that Win2k SP4
creates more problems than it fixes.

Works fine here, possibly it's conflicting with some particular
software on your machine?
 
Alan:

It's all part of the concept called "Chaos and Complex Systems" in a computing
platform. It's all about the reliability of a system and how changes made to a
complex system have "ripple effects." A computer OS is a complex system. The
end-results are the chaos factor. The most stable PC is one that is plain
vanilla. As software is installed and removed, as the user modifies the GUI and
as the user performs updates and service packs, the system deviates from the POV
of that plain vanilla system. As changes are made the reliability factor of the
system inevitably decreases. Eventually a change can cause complete instability
in that system. This can be exhibited by all sorts of maladies. Kernel32
errors, MSVCRT errors, BSoD, are just some of the errors that are notable.

In this case another replier indicated "Microsoft Knowledge Base Article -
328512" which states...
"This may occur if you have installed third-party Internet security software.
When you first install this kind of software, you configure it to recognize known
services, such as IIS. The software permits these authorized services to access
the Internet, but it refuses Internet access to any unknown applications, because
this is typically a sign of a security breach on the server."

While KB article does not specifically state SP4, I surmise that it can be
applied. In this case the addition of "third-party Internet security software" is
blamed.

I always ask people to perform a search on their platform for the DLL,
MSVCRT.DLL.

I will bet you that not only do you have multiple copies of this DLL but you have
multiple versions of this DLL as well. This is the perfect example of how
changes to a system can affect said system. In this example, one program, call
it FOO.EXE, calls MSVCRT.DLL. It just so happen that it was installed in the
same directory as FOO.EXE. Lets also say that the version of this DLL is
6.0.8168.0. now another program, call it MyProg.EXE, needs a library function
found in that DLL. It makes the call and expects version 6.1.9844.0. Since
version 6.0.8168.0 is loaded already it tries to get the functional results
required from that DLL. However, that is an older DLL and it might not return
the results required by MyProg.EXE and therefore it generates errors.

The above is a simplification of the Chaos that can occur due to the ripple
effect of two or more versions of the MSVCRT.DLL.

I like to "model" this kind of effect by a small neighbourhood pond. The pond is
not too deep, say two feet. It is not round and has irregular sides around the
edges of the pond. I now throw a stone into the center of the pond. You and I
both know that when I throw this stone into the pond it will create a splash and
create concentric ripples that will emanate from the center of this "disturbance"
to this pond (the system). We know the results of throwing the stone and we can
predict and expect with a certain level of certainty the results when the stone
hits the surface. However, those ripples that emanate from the center of the
disturbance now reach the pond edges and are reflected back into the pond. Here
is where the results become less certain as the reflected ripples cause nodes and
anti-nodes. The location of these nodes arte dictated by the irregularity of the
ponds edges. This is where the chaos factor comes in. When the stone was
thrown, we predicted the outcome. But when the ripples of the disturbance
reached the edges of the pond, we no longer could predict the outcome, thus the
chaos factor.

Dave
 
In true Micro$oft fashion it would appear that Win2k SP4
creates more problems than it fixes.

I installed it then ripped it back off when I had problems
using the lan for internet access. Now that's a pretty
elemetary thing - not some extreme "on the fringe" type of
thing to use you'd think they'd get it right. Actually,
given past experience I guess you wouldn't.

If you feel the need to install SP4 - make sure you do the
optional save of all the old files.

As for me I'll be waiting for SP5 - and installing that
with caution.

have a look at this:
http://www.w2knews.com/anecdotes.htm
 
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