SP3 Will NOT Install on XP 'Gold'

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Alan

With the soon-expected arrival of SP3 for XP, those people who have early
editions of the XP installation CD might want to be aware of this.



There is a white paper regarding SP3 at
http://download.microsoft.com/downl...982/Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3.pdf



In the "Deploying Windows XP SP3 section on Page 10" there are a couple of
bullet items:



- SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 or
SP2.



- You can run the SP3 update package on any SKU of Windows XP SP1 or SP2.
For example, you can run the SP3 update package on a
computer running the Windows XP Media Center Edition with SP1.



So, it sounds like if someone ever needs to do a clean install on their
computer -- and all they have is the XP 'Gold' CD and they have not created
a slipstreamed Installation CD with SP1 or SP2 -- they will have to first
install their 'Gold' RTM XP, and then install SP1 OR SP2 before they can
install SP3.



Alan
 
Alan said:
With the soon-expected arrival of SP3 for XP, those people who have early editions of the XP
installation CD might want to be aware of this.

There is a white paper regarding SP3 at
http://download.microsoft.com/downl...982/Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3.pdf
Click to expand...
In the "Deploying Windows XP SP3 section on Page 10" there are a couple of bullet items:
Click to expand...
- SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 or SP2.

- You can run the SP3 update package on any SKU of Windows XP SP1 or SP2. For example, you can run
the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media Center
Edition with SP1.

So, it sounds like if someone ever needs to do a clean install on their computer -- and all they
have is the XP 'Gold' CD and they have not created a slipstreamed Installation CD with SP1 or
SP2 -- they will have to first install their 'Gold' RTM XP, and then install SP1 OR SP2 before
they can install SP3.
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Alan
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Wrong interpretation Alan. You can simply install the 'Gold' copy and then SP3. You do not need
either the SP1or SP2 installations.
 
You are reading too much into an apparent omission in the wording. Perhaps
it may have been an oversight on the writer's part in not explicitly
mentioning "XP Gold", but "Gold" doesn't show up in MS whitepapers anyway.
The thrust of the passage is that SP3 supercedes the need to have SP1 or SP2
installed.

If you go to the XP SP3 download details link at
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...4C-8423-4386-AD98-36B124A720AA&displaylang=en
and read the system requirements you will find that all editions of XP Gold
are listed AS WELL AS XP SP1 and XP SP2. The System Requirements statement
is deterministic and is what MS Product Support Services commits itself to.

"Supported Operating Systems: Windows XP; Windows XP Home Edition ; Windows
XP Home Edition N; Windows XP Media Center Edition; Windows XP Professional
Edition ; Windows XP Professional N; Windows XP Service Pack 1; Windows XP
Service Pack 2; Windows XP Tablet PC Edition"

When MS uses the term "supported" they mean that MS will give you technical
assistance in resolving issues that arise in the installation of the
software on the listed platforms.
 
Hi Richard,

Before I posted this information in the XP General group, I had a discussion
with someone in one of the private Microsoft security groups because
Microsoft is usually very explicit in its statements regarding releases of
software and patches, and I wanted to know if my understanding was correct.

This other person -- who I believe is someone really "in the Microsoft
loop" -- stated that my interpretation was accurate.

If you -- or anyone else here -- has good reason to believe that what I
originally posted is NOT accurate, I'd like to know why you feel I'm in
error. (Frankly, I was hoping I WAS wrong.)

Alan
 
- SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1
or SP2.
Click to expand...

So, it sounds like if someone ever needs to do a clean install on
their computer -- and all they have is the XP 'Gold' CD and they have
not created a slipstreamed Installation CD with SP1 or SP2 -- they
will have to first install their 'Gold' RTM XP, and then install SP1
OR SP2 before they can install SP3.
Click to expand...

Your conclusion is probably not correct. Note the word "can" instead of
"must." Furthermore, since SP3 will be cumulative, it is logical that
the presence of other service packs is not necessary.
 
Before I posted this information in the XP General group, I had a discussion
with someone in one of the private Microsoft security groups because
Microsoft is usually very explicit in its statements regarding releases of
software and patches, and I wanted to know if my understanding was correct.

This other person -- who I believe is someone really "in the Microsoft
loop" -- stated that my interpretation was accurate.

If you -- or anyone else here -- has good reason to believe that what I
originally posted is NOT accurate, I'd like to know why you feel I'm in
error. (Frankly, I was hoping I WAS wrong.)
Click to expand...

It's just not possible. SP3 will install on XP RTM / Gold without any
services packs. You can go straight from RTM / Gold to SP3 with no
problems. I still have my XP RTM CD, SP3 had no problem.

- Thee Chicago Wolf
 
Hi SAM and others,

It's not like I have to do a clean install anytime soon (I hope), but one of
my Dell PCs is over 6 years old and shipped with the plain XP Home 'Gold'
installation CD. The other Dell PC is relatively new -- 8 months old -- and
shipped with the XP Home SP2 installation CD.

So, if all you folks are right -- and MY interpretation is incorrect -- I'll
be happy. :>

Alan
 
Check back in a couple of hours to see if an experiment I am running works.
I already know the answer but you are so stubbornly hanging on to a
misconception that I am using a copy of XP Home Gold OEM to install Windows
on a virtual machine, after which I will block Automatic Updates and install
SP3 Release Candidate (without activation or validation) just to show you
what we are trying to tell you is true. You could have done this for
yourself with VPC but check back in a few hours.
 
With the soon-expected arrival of SP3 for XP, those people who have
early editions of the XP installation CD might want to be aware of
this.

There is a white paper regarding SP3 at
http://download.microsoft.com/downl...982/Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3.pdf

In the "Deploying Windows XP SP3 section on Page 10" there are a
couple of bullet items:

- SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP
SP1 or SP2.
- You can run the SP3 update package on any SKU of Windows XP SP1 or
SP2. For example, you can run the SP3 update
package on a computer running the Windows XP Media Center Edition
with SP1.

So, it sounds like if someone ever needs to do a clean install on
their computer -- and all they have is the XP 'Gold' CD and they
have not created a slipstreamed Installation CD with SP1 or SP2 --
they will have to first install their 'Gold' RTM XP, and then
install SP1 OR SP2 before they can install SP3.
Click to expand...


Since SP-3 will be released through the Windows Update process, and
since it checks for any required dependencies, then any requirement
that SP-1 or SP-2 already be installed will be handled. If the user
has no service pack installed (your "Gold" version) then WU would have
to install one *if required* before installing SP-3. For example, it
may be possible that a later version of MSI must be installed before
SP-3 can be installed but WU would check for that and require you to
install first the new required MSI version.

You are also basing your presumption on a *PRELIMINARY* draft of that
document. "This is a preliminary document and may be changed
substantially prior to final commercial release of the software
described herein." I'll care when SP-3 is actually released. Don't
bother with conjecture before then. After all, you will get what
Microsoft gives you and you won't have any choice on how to install
SP-3. In the past, service packs have always been cumulative from the
baseline version. I see no reason to expect otherwise and conjecture
contrary based on preliminary documentation on *unreleased* service
packs which does not disprove that history of service packs will be
exempted just for SP-3.
 
Vista Gold users will have to update to SP2 (SP1 is no longer available) and
then to SP3.
 
Alan said:
With the soon-expected arrival of SP3 for XP, those people who have
early editions of the XP installation CD might want to be aware of
this.
There is a white paper regarding SP3 at
http://download.microsoft.com/downl...982/Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3.pdf

In the "Deploying Windows XP SP3 section on Page 10" there are a
couple of bullet items:

- SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP
SP1 or SP2.
- You can run the SP3 update package on any SKU of Windows XP SP1
or SP2. For example, you can run the SP3 update
package on a computer running the Windows XP Media Center
Edition with SP1.
So, it sounds like if someone ever needs to do a clean install on
their computer -- and all they have is the XP 'Gold' CD and they
have not created a slipstreamed Installation CD with SP1 or SP2 --
they will have to first install their 'Gold' RTM XP, and then
install SP1 OR SP2 before they can install SP3.
Click to expand...
Since SP-3 will be released through the Windows Update process, and
since it checks for any required dependencies, then any requirement
that SP-1 or SP-2 already be installed will be handled. If the user
has no service pack installed (your "Gold" version) then WU would
have to install one *if required* before installing SP-3. For
example, it may be possible that a later version of MSI must be
installed before SP-3 can be installed but WU would check for that
and require you to install first the new required MSI version.

You are also basing your presumption on a *PRELIMINARY* draft of
that document. "This is a preliminary document and may be changed
substantially prior to final commercial release of the software
described herein." I'll care when SP-3 is actually released. Don't
bother with conjecture before then. After all, you will get what
Microsoft gives you and you won't have any choice on how to install
SP-3. In the past, service packs have always been cumulative from
the baseline version. I see no reason to expect otherwise and
conjecture contrary based on preliminary documentation on
*unreleased* service packs which does not disprove that history of
service packs will be exempted just for SP-3.
Click to expand...

Colin said:
Vista Gold users will have to update to SP2 (SP1 is no longer
available) and then to SP3.
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Did you mean "XP" instead of "Vista"?

Who told you SP1 is no longer available? It *was* replaced with SP1 shortly
after its initial release - but you can FREELY download SP1a for Windows XP
to this day...

Windows XP Service Pack 1a
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp1/network.mspx

Entire Thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...8/f16f4fdc9c70d6f0?lnk=st&q=#f16f4fdc9c70d6f0

The offshoot where Colin tests shows that at this time, you will need SP1/1a
or after installed in order to install SP3 onto a Windows XP system. This
may/may not be the case by the time SP3 is released (my feeling is that it
will be.) However - even if it is the case - SP1a is easy enough to get and
integrating service packs into the installation CD should still be
plausible - even if you have to integrate SP1a and then SP3. I am unsure
how this is an issue of any sort.

Worst case instead of having one huge update to install - a person who still
has the original (late 2001/early 2002 copy) RTM media for Windows XP and is
unwilling/unable to integrate the service packs into said media will have to
install SP1a followed by SP3a followed by whatever patches come out between
the release of Service Pack 3 and the time they decide to do this install.
It still sounds better than Install with SP2 and then install the 90+
post-sp2 patches (although I just keep my copy current by integrated
everything I can.)
 
Yes, of course. Thanks.

Shenan Stanley said:
Did you mean "XP" instead of "Vista"?

Who told you SP1 is no longer available? It *was* replaced with SP1
shortly after its initial release - but you can FREELY download SP1a for
Windows XP to this day...

Windows XP Service Pack 1a
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp1/network.mspx

Entire Thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...8/f16f4fdc9c70d6f0?lnk=st&q=#f16f4fdc9c70d6f0

The offshoot where Colin tests shows that at this time, you will need
SP1/1a or after installed in order to install SP3 onto a Windows XP
system. This may/may not be the case by the time SP3 is released (my
feeling is that it will be.) However - even if it is the case - SP1a is
easy enough to get and integrating service packs into the installation CD
should still be plausible - even if you have to integrate SP1a and then
SP3. I am unsure how this is an issue of any sort.

Worst case instead of having one huge update to install - a person who
still has the original (late 2001/early 2002 copy) RTM media for Windows
XP and is unwilling/unable to integrate the service packs into said media
will have to install SP1a followed by SP3a followed by whatever patches
come out between the release of Service Pack 3 and the time they decide to
do this install. It still sounds better than Install with SP2 and then
install the 90+ post-sp2 patches (although I just keep my copy current by
integrated everything I can.)
Click to expand...
 
There is no binaries public ng as there are on the private servers MS hosts
so the acceptible protocol is to advise in the subject line so those wishing
not to download can avoid it. (Rough translation: "Get lost.")
 
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