SP3 Update Query

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Dallas

Sorry to bug, but I had held off on downloading this as I had heard there
were some issues with it - is it safe to D/L now ? I did read where if I
have both Microsoft Shared Computer Toolkit & Remote Desktop Connection
(RDP) 6.0 MUI pack (Update 925877 for Windows XP) to Remove them. I am
checking in ControlPanel>Add/Remove>ShowUpdates - is this the right place ?

As always, much thanks
 
Dallas said:
Sorry to bug, but I had held off on downloading this as I had heard
there were some issues with it - is it safe to D/L now ? I did read
where if I have both Microsoft Shared Computer Toolkit & Remote
Desktop Connection (RDP) 6.0 MUI pack (Update 925877 for Windows
XP) to Remove them. I am checking in
ControlPanel>Add/Remove>ShowUpdates - is this the right place ?
As always, much thanks
Click to expand...

Why'd you repost?
*shrug*

Same answer I just gave then. ;-)

Did you manually install the two items?
If so - then yes - you are looking in the correct place.

Service Pack 3 for Windows XP has not changed since it was released. If it
does change (like SP1 did) it would likely become SP3a or something similar
(as SP1 did.) I would gather that if it has not changed by now - it will
not be changing.

Like it or not - Windows XP SP3 is something that you probably should
install if...

- You are currently running Windows XP (32bit).
- You care about keeping your machine current and running its best.
- You wish to continue running Windows XP for some indeterminate time into
the future.
- You want to free support if you have any trouble installing it (SP3 that
is.)

Service Pack 3 is mostly all of the updates released after SP2 and until the
release of SP3. You may think to yourself that you have been keeping your
PC updated - so you probably have all those updates - fact is, you'd be
incorrect. You may have all the publically released ones, but SP3 contains
1179 previously released updates - guaranteed you do not have them all
installed without it. ;-)

Most of the issues people have had with SP3 have to do with their particular
configuration or a problem caused by a third party change/mis-configuration
on their system - and almost all have a relatively simple fix.

Before starting, know where you can get help:

A place to get FREE support for SP3 installation issues *from Microsoft*
until April 2009...
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131

Other than "Automatic Updates" or the Windows Update web page - how can you
get SP3?

Windows XP Service Pack 3 - ISO-9660 CD Image File
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...ce-b5fb-4488-8c50-fe22559d164e&DisplayLang=en

Windows XP Service Pack 3 Network Installation Package for
IT Professionals and Developers (works just as well for you.)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...A8-5E76-401F-BE08-1E1555D4F3D4&displaylang=en


Do a little reading - to ensure you are ready...
WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation
http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldro...requisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx

Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717

Release Notes for Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm

Key things to note:
Internet Explorer:
"If you have installed Windows Internet Explorer® 7 or a beta version of
Internet Explorer 8, and then install Windows XP SP3, you cannot uninstall
Internet Explorer. To avoid this, ensure Internet Explorer 7 or a beta
version of Internet Explorer 8 is not installed before installing Windows XP
SP3. If you have already encountered this issue, uninstall Windows XP SP3,
uninstall Internet Explorer, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3."

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002:
"If you install Windows XP SP3 on a computer running Windows XP Media Center
Edition 2002 with SP1, Windows XP Media Center Edition may malfunction. To
avoid this, install Windows XP SP2 before you install Windows XP SP3. If
this issue has already occurred, uninstall Windows XP SP3, install Windows
XP SP2, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3."


Did all that and have some issues you believe might be related to SP3?
Check these out:

It seems some people are unable to get further updates after installing
SP3... Seems some have experienced a symptom similar to doing a repair
installation on Windows XP - and the same fix seems to work for them for
that...

Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from Microsoft
Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
installation: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144

Some people experience an "endless reboot" issue...

Workarounds:
http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jes...ed-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx
[NB: The above has been updated many times and now includes "a small tool
that will detect the IntelPPM problem and mitigate it before installing
[WinXP SP3]."

1. Boot into Safe Mode and rename INTELPMM.SYS to INTELPMM.OLD.
2. After booting into Safe Mode:
Start --> Run --> (copy/paste)
sc config intelppm start= disabled
--> OK --> Reboot into normal (Windows) mode.

Other references include:
1. http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?p=187790#p187790
2.
http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jes...ed-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx
3. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/windows_xp_sp3_reboots_crashes/
4.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9084418
5. You receive a "Stop 0x0000007E" error message after you upgrade to
Windows XP Service Pack 2 or Service Pack 3 on a
non-Intel-processor-based computer (Revised 06 May-08):
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888372

Some people have gotten an "Access Denied" message when trying to install
SP3... I suggest going straigh to Method 3 of this article:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949377

Beyond that - some simple maintenance might be needed - like installing the
latest hardware drivers from your hardware vendors...

Good luck to you! You shouldn't need it, however, with just a little
planning. ;-)
 
Thanks again Shenan & I don't recall if I installed those 2 Updates, but I
did go thru the Update History & didn't find them & will now install SP3 as
I liked all you had to say, per the reasons you gave.

Thanks & have a good weekend!

--
Dallas.....

Dell P 4, 3GHz, 512 MB DDR SDRAM, 160 GB, Win XP Home
16X DVD-ROM & ,6X DVD+/RW, IE7, OE6, DSL, via AT&T


Shenan Stanley said:
Dallas said:
Sorry to bug, but I had held off on downloading this as I had heard
there were some issues with it - is it safe to D/L now ? I did read
where if I have both Microsoft Shared Computer Toolkit & Remote
Desktop Connection (RDP) 6.0 MUI pack (Update 925877 for Windows
XP) to Remove them. I am checking in
ControlPanel>Add/Remove>ShowUpdates - is this the right place ?
As always, much thanks
Click to expand...

Why'd you repost?
*shrug*

Same answer I just gave then. ;-)

Did you manually install the two items?
If so - then yes - you are looking in the correct place.

Service Pack 3 for Windows XP has not changed since it was released. If
it
does change (like SP1 did) it would likely become SP3a or something
similar
(as SP1 did.) I would gather that if it has not changed by now - it will
not be changing.

Like it or not - Windows XP SP3 is something that you probably should
install if...

- You are currently running Windows XP (32bit).
- You care about keeping your machine current and running its best.
- You wish to continue running Windows XP for some indeterminate time into
the future.
- You want to free support if you have any trouble installing it (SP3 that
is.)

Service Pack 3 is mostly all of the updates released after SP2 and until
the
release of SP3. You may think to yourself that you have been keeping your
PC updated - so you probably have all those updates - fact is, you'd be
incorrect. You may have all the publically released ones, but SP3
contains
1179 previously released updates - guaranteed you do not have them all
installed without it. ;-)

Most of the issues people have had with SP3 have to do with their
particular
configuration or a problem caused by a third party
change/mis-configuration
on their system - and almost all have a relatively simple fix.

Before starting, know where you can get help:

A place to get FREE support for SP3 installation issues *from Microsoft*
until April 2009...
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131

Other than "Automatic Updates" or the Windows Update web page - how can
you
get SP3?

Windows XP Service Pack 3 - ISO-9660 CD Image File
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...ce-b5fb-4488-8c50-fe22559d164e&DisplayLang=en

Windows XP Service Pack 3 Network Installation Package for
IT Professionals and Developers (works just as well for you.)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...A8-5E76-401F-BE08-1E1555D4F3D4&displaylang=en


Do a little reading - to ensure you are ready...
WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation
http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldro...requisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx

Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717

Release Notes for Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm

Key things to note:
Internet Explorer:
"If you have installed Windows Internet Explorer® 7 or a beta version of
Internet Explorer 8, and then install Windows XP SP3, you cannot uninstall
Internet Explorer. To avoid this, ensure Internet Explorer 7 or a beta
version of Internet Explorer 8 is not installed before installing Windows
XP
SP3. If you have already encountered this issue, uninstall Windows XP
SP3,
uninstall Internet Explorer, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3."

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002:
"If you install Windows XP SP3 on a computer running Windows XP Media
Center
Edition 2002 with SP1, Windows XP Media Center Edition may malfunction.
To
avoid this, install Windows XP SP2 before you install Windows XP SP3. If
this issue has already occurred, uninstall Windows XP SP3, install Windows
XP SP2, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3."


Did all that and have some issues you believe might be related to SP3?
Check these out:

It seems some people are unable to get further updates after installing
SP3... Seems some have experienced a symptom similar to doing a repair
installation on Windows XP - and the same fix seems to work for them for
that...

Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from Microsoft
Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
installation: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144

Some people experience an "endless reboot" issue...

Workarounds:
http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jes...ed-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx
[NB: The above has been updated many times and now includes "a small tool
that will detect the IntelPPM problem and mitigate it before installing
[WinXP SP3]."

1. Boot into Safe Mode and rename INTELPMM.SYS to INTELPMM.OLD.
2. After booting into Safe Mode:
Start --> Run --> (copy/paste)
sc config intelppm start= disabled
--> OK --> Reboot into normal (Windows) mode.

Other references include:
1. http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?p=187790#p187790
2.
http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jes...ed-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx
3. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/windows_xp_sp3_reboots_crashes/
4.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9084418
5. You receive a "Stop 0x0000007E" error message after you upgrade to
Windows XP Service Pack 2 or Service Pack 3 on a
non-Intel-processor-based computer (Revised 06 May-08):
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888372

Some people have gotten an "Access Denied" message when trying to install
SP3... I suggest going straigh to Method 3 of this article:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949377

Beyond that - some simple maintenance might be needed - like installing
the
latest hardware drivers from your hardware vendors...

Good luck to you! You shouldn't need it, however, with just a little
planning. ;-)
Click to expand...
 
Dallas said this on 1/2/2009 10:08 PM:
Thanks again Shenan & I don't recall if I installed those 2 Updates, but I
did go thru the Update History & didn't find them & will now install SP3 as
I liked all you had to say, per the reasons you gave.

Thanks & have a good weekend!
Click to expand...

If you really suspect you will have issues with Sp3, then a good image
backup of your hard drive will make a recovery quite simple.
Acronis True Image Home has a 15 day trial at last checking, and this
program and/or Norton Ghost, along with a freeware program (can't come
up with the name) all will do basically the same thing.
I use ATI. It can backup (image) your entire drive to an external or
2nd drive (not the same one, that would be stupid) and then if SP3
causes an issue you simply boot up off the recovery CD the program
allows you to build and restore the image back to your C: drive and
bingo, you lost nothing.
I've used it to swap drives, repartition drives (just resize on the
reload) etc. You might investigate. Version 12 (2009) is out but I use
version 9, bought on a clearance sale for $9. Some vendors dump
products easily.

Anyway, you should have backups.
 
Hey Big_Al & thanks for the response, but I am still very much a neophyte &
don't think I can pull this off. That said, I do have a back up of all files
that I did(had help with) 2 months back.Swapping, Repartioning(sp?),
Acronis, sounds like a high end sneaker to me !

So since I have a current back up, can I then try the install ?

Ahh, what a way to spend your Saturday, helping the simple-minded such as I
:-)

Thanks !
 
Dallas said this on 1/3/2009 1:18 PM:
Hey Big_Al & thanks for the response, but I am still very much a neophyte &
don't think I can pull this off. That said, I do have a back up of all files
that I did(had help with) 2 months back.Swapping, Repartioning(sp?),
Acronis, sounds like a high end sneaker to me !

So since I have a current back up, can I then try the install ?

Ahh, what a way to spend your Saturday, helping the simple-minded such as I
:-)

Thanks !
Click to expand...
Backup good or bad is only something you can determine. But if you
feel comfortable that a complete failure of your system is recoverable
then that's all that matters. Bottom line that's the point of my
comment. Keep it in mind, ATI is a kool backup since it resets even
the most obscure setting since its basically a picture of your drive.
For now, your process is the same thing I used to do, "just copy them to
another place for backup". Always has worked, maybe not slick but it
works.
 
Keep it in mind, ATI is a kool backup since it resets even ...
Click to expand...


Just a suggestion, but I assume that by "ATI" you mean "Acronis True
Image." I had to read your message three times before I guessed that
that was what you meant. Since the name ATI is so widely used for the
maker of video cards, I strongly suggest that you don't use it as an
abbreviation for "Acronis True Image." It's very likely to confuse
people.
 
Ken Blake, MVP said this on 1/3/2009 6:17 PM:
Just a suggestion, but I assume that by "ATI" you mean "Acronis True
Image." I had to read your message three times before I guessed that
that was what you meant. Since the name ATI is so widely used for the
maker of video cards, I strongly suggest that you don't use it as an
abbreviation for "Acronis True Image." It's very likely to confuse
people.
Click to expand...

I have two ATI cards.
However just for reference, the first message to Dallas I spelled it out
then abbreviated and the 2nd message just continued the abbreviation.

However, again I can understand the confusion. Thanks.
 
Ken Blake, MVP said this on 1/3/2009 6:17 PM:

I have two ATI cards.
However just for reference, the first message to Dallas I spelled it out
then abbreviated and the 2nd message just continued the abbreviation.

However, again I can understand the confusion. Thanks.
Click to expand...


OK, but I saw the second message alone. If I had earlier seen the
first one, I had forgotten, and as a result *I* was confused.
 
Ken Blake, MVP said this on 1/3/2009 8:19 PM:
OK, but I saw the second message alone. If I had earlier seen the
first one, I had forgotten, and as a result *I* was confused.
Click to expand...
No argument. I'm confused.... <grin>
 
Dallas said:
Thanks but odds are that it will Install fine, right ?
Click to expand...
right ?
Click to expand...

Repost...
(read the last lines for the answer to your latest query...)

Like it or not - Windows XP SP3 is something that you probably should
install if...

- You are currently running Windows XP (32bit).
- You care about keeping your machine current and running its best.
- You wish to continue running Windows XP for some indeterminate time into
the future.
- You want to free support if you have any trouble installing it (SP3 that
is.)

Service Pack 3 is mostly all of the updates released after SP2 and until the
release of SP3. You may think to yourself that you have been keeping your
PC updated - so you probably have all those updates - fact is, you'd be
incorrect. You may have all the publically released ones, but SP3 contains
1179 previously released updates - guaranteed you do not have them all
installed without it. ;-)

Most of the issues people have had with SP3 have to do with their particular
configuration or a problem caused by a third party change/mis-configuration
on their system - and almost all have a relatively simple fix.

Before starting, know where you can get help:

A place to get FREE support for SP3 installation issues *from Microsoft*
until April 2009...
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131

Other than "Automatic Updates" or the Windows Update web page - how can you
get SP3?

Windows XP Service Pack 3 - ISO-9660 CD Image File
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...ce-b5fb-4488-8c50-fe22559d164e&DisplayLang=en

Windows XP Service Pack 3 Network Installation Package for
IT Professionals and Developers (works just as well for you.)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...A8-5E76-401F-BE08-1E1555D4F3D4&displaylang=en


Do a little reading - to ensure you are ready...
WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation
http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldro...requisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx

Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717

Release Notes for Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm

Key things to note:
Internet Explorer:
"If you have installed Windows Internet Explorer® 7 or a beta version of
Internet Explorer 8, and then install Windows XP SP3, you cannot uninstall
Internet Explorer. To avoid this, ensure Internet Explorer 7 or a beta
version of Internet Explorer 8 is not installed before installing Windows XP
SP3. If you have already encountered this issue, uninstall Windows XP SP3,
uninstall Internet Explorer, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3."

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002:
"If you install Windows XP SP3 on a computer running Windows XP Media Center
Edition 2002 with SP1, Windows XP Media Center Edition may malfunction. To
avoid this, install Windows XP SP2 before you install Windows XP SP3. If
this issue has already occurred, uninstall Windows XP SP3, install Windows
XP SP2, and then reinstall Windows XP SP3."


Did all that and have some issues you believe might be related to SP3?
Check these out:

It seems some people are unable to get further updates after installing
SP3... Seems some have experienced a symptom similar to doing a repair
installation on Windows XP - and the same fix seems to work for them for
that...

Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from Microsoft
Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
installation: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144

Some people experience an "endless reboot" issue...

Workarounds:
http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jes...ed-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx
[NB: The above has been updated many times and now includes "a small tool
that will detect the IntelPPM problem and mitigate it before installing
[WinXP SP3]."

1. Boot into Safe Mode and rename INTELPMM.SYS to INTELPMM.OLD.
2. After booting into Safe Mode:
Start --> Run --> (copy/paste)
sc config intelppm start= disabled
--> OK --> Reboot into normal (Windows) mode.

Other references include:
1. http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?p=187790#p187790
2.
http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jes...ed-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx
3. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/windows_xp_sp3_reboots_crashes/
4.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9084418
5. You receive a "Stop 0x0000007E" error message after you upgrade to
Windows XP Service Pack 2 or Service Pack 3 on a
non-Intel-processor-based computer (Revised 06 May-08):
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888372

Some people have gotten an "Access Denied" message when trying to install
SP3... I suggest going straigh to Method 3 of this article:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949377

Beyond that - some simple maintenance might be needed - like installing the
latest hardware drivers from your hardware vendors...

Good luck to you! You shouldn't need it, however, with just a little
planning. ;-)
 
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