Something NEW I don't understand

Buddy L. · Jul 11, 2003

Using FP 2002 I just now noticed in Folders List under images, I apparently
have two sets or groups of images. One set or group is inside the images
folder and the other one is under it. I used some of the images under the
images folder to replace/overwrite images inside the images folder. Please
someone help me out here and explain what is taking place. Can I safely
delete some of the images inside the images folder? Thanks very much!

Jim Buyens · Jul 11, 2003

-----Original Message-----

Using FP 2002 I just now noticed in Folders List under
images, I apparently have two sets or groups of images.
One set or group is inside the images folder and the
other one is under it. I used some of the images under
the images folder to replace/overwrite images inside the
images folder. Please someone help me out here and
explain what is taking place. Can I safely delete some
of the images inside the images folder? Thanks very much!

If you're looking at yuour Web in Windows explorer and see
pairs of files like:

images\myself.gif
images\_vti_cnf\myself.gif

don't delete anything. images\_vti_cnf\myself.gif is
actually a text file where FrontPage keeps track of
internal information.

Otherwise, you can move any pictures files you want from
anywhere else and drop them in the images folder. Just do
this in FrontPage so that FrontPage can adjust all your
<img> tags to reflect the new locations.

You should, of course, not relocate files FrontPage
creates for use by Themes or other components.

Jim Buyens
Microsoft FrontPage MVP
(e-mail address removed)
http://www.interlacken.com
Author of:
*------------------------------------------------------*
|\----------------------------------------------------/|
|| Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003 Inside Out ||
|| Microsoft FrontPage Version 2002 Inside Out ||
|| Web Database Development Step by Step .NET Edition ||
|| Troubleshooting Microsoft FrontPage 2002 ||
|| Faster Smarter Beginning Programming ||
|| (All from Microsoft Press) ||
|/----------------------------------------------------\|
*------------------------------------------------------*

Buddy L. · Jul 12, 2003

Thanks for answering. I'm not looking at these files in Windows Explorer but
in Normal View with the Folders List showing on the left. The files in
question are graphic files that were used to overwrite or replace other
graphic files. My inexperience may show here, but I assumed that like other
Office programs, when I used one file or graphic to replace another, the one
being replaced would vanish or be automatically deleted from the Web. Now
I'm not sure and I'm concerned that FP is uploading all the files to the
server and that is adding unnecessary "weight" or download time to the
file/Web.

Stefan B Rusynko · Jul 12, 2003

No when you modify / resample a graphic in FP and save it, FP does not delete the old graphic

--

| Thanks for answering. I'm not looking at these files in Windows Explorer but
| in Normal View with the Folders List showing on the left. The files in
| question are graphic files that were used to overwrite or replace other
| graphic files. My inexperience may show here, but I assumed that like other
| Office programs, when I used one file or graphic to replace another, the one
| being replaced would vanish or be automatically deleted from the Web. Now
| I'm not sure and I'm concerned that FP is uploading all the files to the
| server and that is adding unnecessary "weight" or download time to the
| file/Web.
| | > >-----Original Message-----
| > >Using FP 2002 I just now noticed in Folders List under
| > >images, I apparently have two sets or groups of images.
| > >One set or group is inside the images folder and the
| > >other one is under it. I used some of the images under
| > >the images folder to replace/overwrite images inside the
| > >images folder. Please someone help me out here and
| > >explain what is taking place. Can I safely delete some
| > >of the images inside the images folder? Thanks very much!
| >
| > If you're looking at yuour Web in Windows explorer and see
| > pairs of files like:
| >
| > images\myself.gif
| > images\_vti_cnf\myself.gif
| >
| > don't delete anything. images\_vti_cnf\myself.gif is
| > actually a text file where FrontPage keeps track of
| > internal information.
| >
| > Otherwise, you can move any pictures files you want from
| > anywhere else and drop them in the images folder. Just do
| > this in FrontPage so that FrontPage can adjust all your
| > <img> tags to reflect the new locations.
| >
| > You should, of course, not relocate files FrontPage
| > creates for use by Themes or other components.
| >
| > Jim Buyens
| > Microsoft FrontPage MVP
| > (e-mail address removed)
| > http://www.interlacken.com
| > Author of:
| > *------------------------------------------------------*
| > |\----------------------------------------------------/|
| > || Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003 Inside Out ||
| > || Microsoft FrontPage Version 2002 Inside Out ||
| > || Web Database Development Step by Step .NET Edition ||
| > || Troubleshooting Microsoft FrontPage 2002 ||
| > || Faster Smarter Beginning Programming ||
| > || (All from Microsoft Press) ||
| > |/----------------------------------------------------\|
| > *------------------------------------------------------*
| >
| >
|
|

Buddy L. · Jul 12, 2003

Well OK then, but how do experienced designers/developers get rid of
graphics that they modify/resample/replace or overwrite?

While in the design process, I am constantly comparing different graphics on
a page for suitability. Then when I choose which one I want I sometimes will
use the chosen graphic to overwrite the other one. After doing that I might
modify it further by changing size several times, then resampling.

Often I will even export it back into a graphics editor to tweak it, finally
importing back into FP as the "final". I'm guessing that any graphics that
get uploaded to the server count against the download time.

Is there a system or process that experienced developers follow to get rid
of no-longer-needed graphics?

Tom Pepper Willett · Jul 12, 2003

Wasn't intended to be cute. You asked how some of us did it, and I
responded with how I did it. What's not to understand? Or, perhaps you
didn't ask the question right.
--
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Tom Pepper Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
-----
| Cute Tom. But some of us come here because we are trying to figure out how
| to use FP.
| | > "Is there a system or process that experienced developers follow to get
| rid
| > of no-longer-needed graphics?"
| >
| > I right click and delete.
| > --
| > -----
| > Tom Pepper Willett
| > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > -----
| > | > | Well OK then, but how do experienced designers/developers get rid of
| > | graphics that they modify/resample/replace or overwrite?
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

Buddy L. · Jul 12, 2003

Tom, I apologize. I may have reacted to your answer too quickly. It seemed
that you were making fun of what you perceived to be a pretty dumb question
posted by me. I guess I'm just struggling.

Tom Pepper Willett · Jul 12, 2003

No problem, Buddy.
You are trying to overcomplicate things. Follow Tom Rowe's advice, and
don't do your image work within FP, it'll just cause headaches. Do your
image work in your graphics program and import the images into your web
before inserting on the page. You won't have to put up with the saving and
embedding.
--
-----
Tom Pepper Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
-----
| Tom, I apologize. I may have reacted to your answer too quickly. It seemed
| that you were making fun of what you perceived to be a pretty dumb
question
| posted by me. I guess I'm just struggling.
| | > Wasn't intended to be cute. You asked how some of us did it, and I
| > responded with how I did it. What's not to understand? Or, perhaps you
| > didn't ask the question right.
| > --
| > -----
| > Tom Pepper Willett
| > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > -----
| > | > | Cute Tom. But some of us come here because we are trying to figure out
| how
| > | to use FP.
| > | | > | > "Is there a system or process that experienced developers follow to
| get
| > | rid
| > | > of no-longer-needed graphics?"
| > | >
| > | > I right click and delete.
| > | > --
| > | > -----
| > | > Tom Pepper Willett
| > | > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > | > -----
| > | > | > | > | Well OK then, but how do experienced designers/developers get rid
of
| > | > | graphics that they modify/resample/replace or overwrite?
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

Thomas A. Rowe · Jul 12, 2003

FP only saves your graphic when you have:

1. Inserted it on your page without importing it into the current open FP
web.
2. You re-sample the image and use any of the image editing tools.

There is no means of looking at all of your graphic image other than to
create a blank page in your web, and then drag the images on to the page to
see what they are, which is what I do.

--

==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================

Buddy L. · Jul 12, 2003

Maybe I place too much emphasis on having graphics, particularly photos,
look exactly the way I want them to look on a finished page. I do edit them
FIRST in PSP and then by clicking on the "Insert Picture from File" icon, I
bring up my pictures folder and select from there. After that, though, I
fiddle with them-resize, maybe look at it on the left, the right-that sort
of thing. I think this is why I'm getting more graphics than I need (somehow
leftover) from the fiddling.around that I do.

So...I'm trying to figure out how to speed up my design process by finding a
way to quickly separate the needed graphics from the no-longer-needed ones.
Surely, other designers do this too. What I'm looking for is a simple
process that I can follow to either delete the no-longer-needed graphics as
I go, or, a way to identify the ones that don't need to get uploaded and
delete them all at one time. Thanks for reading.

Thomas A. Rowe · Jul 12, 2003

Buddy,

Here is how I handle this situation. I import the image into the current
open FP, then open my page and insert the image on my page, resize the
image, then I view image properties and note the new width and height, I do
not save the page or the image changes. I now open my image application and
resize the image, save to my desktop again, then import into back into FP
using the same name, and re-insert on my page.

--

==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================

Buddy L. · Jul 13, 2003

One last question. Does it make a difference later whether I take the extra
step to drag all the images into the Images Folder before uploading, or is
that just a matter of how tidy someone might be? Thanks for all the help.

Tom Pepper Willett · Jul 13, 2003

Drag and drop should be the same as importing the images.
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-----
Tom Pepper Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
-----
| One last question. Does it make a difference later whether I take the
extra
| step to drag all the images into the Images Folder before uploading, or is
| that just a matter of how tidy someone might be? Thanks for all the help.
| | > FP only saves your graphic when you have:
| >
| > 1. Inserted it on your page without importing it into the current open
FP
| > web.
| > 2. You re-sample the image and use any of the image editing tools.
| >
| > There is no means of looking at all of your graphic image other than to
| > create a blank page in your web, and then drag the images on to the page
| to
| > see what they are, which is what I do.
| >
| > --
| >
| > ==============================================
| > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| >
| > FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
| > MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| > ==============================================
| > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| >
| > | > > Thanks for your straight forward reply, Thomas. I'm obviously getting
| > > confused on how to seperate what is being saved by FP from what is
not.
| > Does
| > > FP save a graphic only when I see the Save Embedded Files dialogue box
| or
| > > does it save at other times, like when a page is saved? After the site
| is
| > > completed, just before uploading, is there a way to look at all the
| > graphic
| > > files that I've used, and determine which ones I will need to keep and
| > which
| > > to delete?
| > > | > > > The process I follow is to never modify images within FP. I always
| work
| > > with
| > > > the original image in Image Composer (in my case), then import back
| into
| > > the
| > > > current open FP web, with the same name as the one already in the
web.
| > > >
| > > > For images that are no longer being used, I do exactly what Tom
| > indicated,
| > > > right click and delete as there is not other way to get rid of
un-used
| > > > images.
| > > >
| > > > --
| > > >
| > > > ==============================================
| > > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| > > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| > > >
| > > > FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
| > > > MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| > > > ==============================================
| > > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| > > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > > >
| > > > | > > > > Well OK then, but how do experienced designers/developers get rid
of
| > > > > graphics that they modify/resample/replace or overwrite?
| > > > >
| > > > > While in the design process, I am constantly comparing different
| > > graphics
| > > > on
| > > > > a page for suitability. Then when I choose which one I want I
| > sometimes
| > > > will
| > > > > use the chosen graphic to overwrite the other one. After doing
that
| I
| > > > might
| > > > > modify it further by changing size several times, then resampling.
| > > > >
| > > > > Often I will even export it back into a graphics editor to tweak
it,
| > > > finally
| > > > > importing back into FP as the "final". I'm guessing that any
| graphics
| > > that
| > > > > get uploaded to the server count against the download time.
| > > > >
| > > > > Is there a system or process that experienced developers follow to
| get
| > > rid
| > > > > of no-longer-needed graphics?
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > > | > > > > > No when you modify / resample a graphic in FP and save it, FP
does
| > not
| > > > > delete the old graphic
| > > > > >
| > > > > > --
| > > > > > _____________________________________________
| > > > > > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| > > > > > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| > > > > > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > > > > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > > > > > _____________________________________________
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > | > > > > > | Thanks for answering. I'm not looking at these files in
Windows
| > > > Explorer
| > > > > but
| > > > > > | in Normal View with the Folders List showing on the left. The
| > files
| > > in
| > > > > > | question are graphic files that were used to overwrite or
| replace
| > > > other
| > > > > > | graphic files. My inexperience may show here, but I assumed
that
| > > like
| > > > > other
| > > > > > | Office programs, when I used one file or graphic to replace
| > another,
| > > > the
| > > > > one
| > > > > > | being replaced would vanish or be automatically deleted from
the
| > > Web.
| > > > > Now
| > > > > > | I'm not sure and I'm concerned that FP is uploading all the
| files
| > to
| > > > the
| > > > > > | server and that is adding unnecessary "weight" or download
time
| to
| > > the
| > > > > > | file/Web.
| > > > > > | | > > > > > | > >-----Original Message-----
| > > > > > | > >Using FP 2002 I just now noticed in Folders List under
| > > > > > | > >images, I apparently have two sets or groups of images.
| > > > > > | > >One set or group is inside the images folder and the
| > > > > > | > >other one is under it. I used some of the images under
| > > > > > | > >the images folder to replace/overwrite images inside the
| > > > > > | > >images folder. Please someone help me out here and
| > > > > > | > >explain what is taking place. Can I safely delete some
| > > > > > | > >of the images inside the images folder? Thanks very much!
| > > > > > | >
| > > > > > | > If you're looking at yuour Web in Windows explorer and see
| > > > > > | > pairs of files like:
| > > > > > | >
| > > > > > | > images\myself.gif
| > > > > > | > images\_vti_cnf\myself.gif
| > > > > > | >
| > > > > > | > don't delete anything. images\_vti_cnf\myself.gif is
| > > > > > | > actually a text file where FrontPage keeps track of
| > > > > > | > internal information.
| > > > > > | >
| > > > > > | > Otherwise, you can move any pictures files you want from
| > > > > > | > anywhere else and drop them in the images folder. Just do
| > > > > > | > this in FrontPage so that FrontPage can adjust all your
| > > > > > | > <img> tags to reflect the new locations.
| > > > > > | >
| > > > > > | > You should, of course, not relocate files FrontPage
| > > > > > | > creates for use by Themes or other components.
| > > > > > | >
| > > > > > | > Jim Buyens
| > > > > > | > Microsoft FrontPage MVP
| > > > > > | > (e-mail address removed)
| > > > > > | > http://www.interlacken.com
| > > > > > | > Author of:
| > > > > > | > *------------------------------------------------------*
| > > > > > | > |\----------------------------------------------------/|
| > > > > > | > || Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003 Inside Out ||
| > > > > > | > || Microsoft FrontPage Version 2002 Inside Out ||
| > > > > > | > || Web Database Development Step by Step .NET Edition ||
| > > > > > | > || Troubleshooting Microsoft FrontPage 2002 ||
| > > > > > | > || Faster Smarter Beginning Programming ||
| > > > > > | > || (All from Microsoft Press) ||
| > > > > > | > |/----------------------------------------------------\|
| > > > > > | > *------------------------------------------------------*
| > > > > > | >
| > > > > > | >
| > > > > > |
| > > > > > |
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|

Thomas A. Rowe · Jul 13, 2003

You can place the images any where you want in your web, but you must import
them into your web before using. The images folder is the most logical
place, and I tend to use it as well, in most cases.

--

==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================

Tom Pepper Willett · Jul 13, 2003

Tom:

As I recall, you have always equated dragging and dropping with importing.
Am I incorrect with this?

--
-----
Tom Pepper Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
-----
| You can place the images any where you want in your web, but you must
import
| them into your web before using. The images folder is the most logical
| place, and I tend to use it as well, in most cases.
|
| --
|
| ==============================================
| Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
|
| FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
| MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| ==============================================
| To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
|
| | > One last question. Does it make a difference later whether I take the
| extra
| > step to drag all the images into the Images Folder before uploading, or
is
| > that just a matter of how tidy someone might be? Thanks for all the
help.
| > | > > FP only saves your graphic when you have:
| > >
| > > 1. Inserted it on your page without importing it into the current open
| FP
| > > web.
| > > 2. You re-sample the image and use any of the image editing tools.
| > >
| > > There is no means of looking at all of your graphic image other than
to
| > > create a blank page in your web, and then drag the images on to the
page
| > to
| > > see what they are, which is what I do.
| > >
| > > --
| > >
| > > ==============================================
| > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| > >
| > > FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
| > > MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| > > ==============================================
| > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > >
| > > | > > > Thanks for your straight forward reply, Thomas. I'm obviously
getting
| > > > confused on how to seperate what is being saved by FP from what is
| not.
| > > Does
| > > > FP save a graphic only when I see the Save Embedded Files dialogue
box
| > or
| > > > does it save at other times, like when a page is saved? After the
site
| > is
| > > > completed, just before uploading, is there a way to look at all the
| > > graphic
| > > > files that I've used, and determine which ones I will need to keep
and
| > > which
| > > > to delete?
| > > > | > > > > The process I follow is to never modify images within FP. I always
| > work
| > > > with
| > > > > the original image in Image Composer (in my case), then import
back
| > into
| > > > the
| > > > > current open FP web, with the same name as the one already in the
| web.
| > > > >
| > > > > For images that are no longer being used, I do exactly what Tom
| > > indicated,
| > > > > right click and delete as there is not other way to get rid of
| un-used
| > > > > images.
| > > > >
| > > > > --
| > > > >
| > > > > ==============================================
| > > > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| > > > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| > > > >
| > > > > FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
| > > > > MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| > > > > ==============================================
| > > > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support
see:
| > > > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > > > >
| > > > > | > > > > > Well OK then, but how do experienced designers/developers get
rid
| of
| > > > > > graphics that they modify/resample/replace or overwrite?
| > > > > >
| > > > > > While in the design process, I am constantly comparing different
| > > > graphics
| > > > > on
| > > > > > a page for suitability. Then when I choose which one I want I
| > > sometimes
| > > > > will
| > > > > > use the chosen graphic to overwrite the other one. After doing
| that
| > I
| > > > > might
| > > > > > modify it further by changing size several times, then
resampling.
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Often I will even export it back into a graphics editor to tweak
| it,
| > > > > finally
| > > > > > importing back into FP as the "final". I'm guessing that any
| > graphics
| > > > that
| > > > > > get uploaded to the server count against the download time.
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Is there a system or process that experienced developers follow
to
| > get
| > > > rid
| > > > > > of no-longer-needed graphics?
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > > | > > > > > > No when you modify / resample a graphic in FP and save it, FP
| does
| > > not
| > > > > > delete the old graphic
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > > --
| > > > > > > _____________________________________________
| > > > > > > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| > > > > > > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| > > > > > > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > > > > > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > > > > > > _____________________________________________
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > | > > > > > > | Thanks for answering. I'm not looking at these files in
| Windows
| > > > > Explorer
| > > > > > but
| > > > > > > | in Normal View with the Folders List showing on the left.
The
| > > files
| > > > in
| > > > > > > | question are graphic files that were used to overwrite or
| > replace
| > > > > other
| > > > > > > | graphic files. My inexperience may show here, but I assumed
| that
| > > > like
| > > > > > other
| > > > > > > | Office programs, when I used one file or graphic to replace
| > > another,
| > > > > the
| > > > > > one
| > > > > > > | being replaced would vanish or be automatically deleted from
| the
| > > > Web.
| > > > > > Now
| > > > > > > | I'm not sure and I'm concerned that FP is uploading all the
| > files
| > > to
| > > > > the
| > > > > > > | server and that is adding unnecessary "weight" or download
| time
| > to
| > > > the
| > > > > > > | file/Web.
| > > > > > > | | > > > > > > | > >-----Original Message-----
| > > > > > > | > >Using FP 2002 I just now noticed in Folders List under
| > > > > > > | > >images, I apparently have two sets or groups of images.
| > > > > > > | > >One set or group is inside the images folder and the
| > > > > > > | > >other one is under it. I used some of the images under
| > > > > > > | > >the images folder to replace/overwrite images inside the
| > > > > > > | > >images folder. Please someone help me out here and
| > > > > > > | > >explain what is taking place. Can I safely delete some
| > > > > > > | > >of the images inside the images folder? Thanks very much!
| > > > > > > | >
| > > > > > > | > If you're looking at yuour Web in Windows explorer and see
| > > > > > > | > pairs of files like:
| > > > > > > | >
| > > > > > > | > images\myself.gif
| > > > > > > | > images\_vti_cnf\myself.gif
| > > > > > > | >
| > > > > > > | > don't delete anything. images\_vti_cnf\myself.gif is
| > > > > > > | > actually a text file where FrontPage keeps track of
| > > > > > > | > internal information.
| > > > > > > | >
| > > > > > > | > Otherwise, you can move any pictures files you want from
| > > > > > > | > anywhere else and drop them in the images folder. Just do
| > > > > > > | > this in FrontPage so that FrontPage can adjust all your
| > > > > > > | > <img> tags to reflect the new locations.
| > > > > > > | >
| > > > > > > | > You should, of course, not relocate files FrontPage
| > > > > > > | > creates for use by Themes or other components.
| > > > > > > | >
| > > > > > > | > Jim Buyens
| > > > > > > | > Microsoft FrontPage MVP
| > > > > > > | > (e-mail address removed)
| > > > > > > | > http://www.interlacken.com
| > > > > > > | > Author of:
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| > > > > > > | > || Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003 Inside Out ||
| > > > > > > | > || Microsoft FrontPage Version 2002 Inside Out ||
| > > > > > > | > || Web Database Development Step by Step .NET Edition ||
| > > > > > > | > || Troubleshooting Microsoft FrontPage 2002 ||
| > > > > > > | > || Faster Smarter Beginning Programming ||
| > > > > > > | > || (All from Microsoft Press) ||
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Thomas A. Rowe · Jul 13, 2003

Yes, you are correct. Did I mis-read the post?

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Tom Pepper Willett said:
Tom:

As I recall, you have always equated dragging and dropping with importing.
Am I incorrect with this?

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| You can place the images any where you want in your web, but you must
import
| them into your web before using. The images folder is the most logical
| place, and I tend to use it as well, in most cases.
|
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| ==============================================
| Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
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| ==============================================
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| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
|
| | > One last question. Does it make a difference later whether I take the
| extra
| > step to drag all the images into the Images Folder before uploading, or
is
| > that just a matter of how tidy someone might be? Thanks for all the
help.
| > | > > FP only saves your graphic when you have:
| > >
| > > 1. Inserted it on your page without importing it into the current open
| FP
| > > web.
| > > 2. You re-sample the image and use any of the image editing tools.
| > >
| > > There is no means of looking at all of your graphic image other than
to
| > > create a blank page in your web, and then drag the images on to the
page
| > to
| > > see what they are, which is what I do.
| > >
| > > --
| > >
| > > ==============================================
| > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| > >
| > > FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
| > > MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| > > ==============================================
| > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > >
| > > | > > > Thanks for your straight forward reply, Thomas. I'm obviously
getting
| > > > confused on how to seperate what is being saved by FP from what is
| not.
| > > Does
| > > > FP save a graphic only when I see the Save Embedded Files dialogue
box
| > or
| > > > does it save at other times, like when a page is saved? After the
site
| > is
| > > > completed, just before uploading, is there a way to look at all the
| > > graphic
| > > > files that I've used, and determine which ones I will need to keep
and
| > > which
| > > > to delete?
| > > > | > > > > The process I follow is to never modify images within FP. I always
| > work
| > > > with
| > > > > the original image in Image Composer (in my case), then import
back
| > into
| > > > the
| > > > > current open FP web, with the same name as the one already in the
| web.
| > > > >
| > > > > For images that are no longer being used, I do exactly what Tom
| > > indicated,
| > > > > right click and delete as there is not other way to get rid of
| un-used
| > > > > images.
| > > > >
| > > > > --
| > > > >
| > > > > ==============================================
| > > > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| > > > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| > > > >
| > > > > FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
| > > > > MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| > > > > ==============================================
| > > > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support
see:
| > > > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > > > >
| > > > > | > > > > > Well OK then, but how do experienced designers/developers get
rid
| of
| > > > > > graphics that they modify/resample/replace or overwrite?
| > > > > >
| > > > > > While in the design process, I am constantly comparing different
| > > > graphics
| > > > > on
| > > > > > a page for suitability. Then when I choose which one I want I
| > > sometimes
| > > > > will
| > > > > > use the chosen graphic to overwrite the other one. After doing
| that
| > I
| > > > > might
| > > > > > modify it further by changing size several times, then
resampling.
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Often I will even export it back into a graphics editor to tweak
| it,
| > > > > finally
| > > > > > importing back into FP as the "final". I'm guessing that any
| > graphics
| > > > that
| > > > > > get uploaded to the server count against the download time.
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Is there a system or process that experienced developers follow
to
| > get
| > > > rid
| > > > > > of no-longer-needed graphics?
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > > | > > > > > > No when you modify / resample a graphic in FP and save it, FP
| does
| > > not
| > > > > > delete the old graphic
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > > --
| > > > > > > _____________________________________________
| > > > > > > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| > > > > > > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| > > > > > > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > > > > > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > > > > > > _____________________________________________
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > | > > > > > > | Thanks for answering. I'm not looking at these files in
| Windows
| > > > > Explorer
| > > > > > but
| > > > > > > | in Normal View with the Folders List showing on the left.
The
| > > files
| > > > in
| > > > > > > | question are graphic files that were used to overwrite or
| > replace
| > > > > other
| > > > > > > | graphic files. My inexperience may show here, but I assumed
| that
| > > > like
| > > > > > other
| > > > > > > | Office programs, when I used one file or graphic to replace
| > > another,
| > > > > the
| > > > > > one
| > > > > > > | being replaced would vanish or be automatically deleted from
| the
| > > > Web.
| > > > > > Now
| > > > > > > | I'm not sure and I'm concerned that FP is uploading all the
| > files
| > > to
| > > > > the
| > > > > > > | server and that is adding unnecessary "weight" or download
| time
| > to
| > > > the
| > > > > > > | file/Web.
| > > > > > > | | > > > > > > | > >-----Original Message-----
| > > > > > > | > >Using FP 2002 I just now noticed in Folders List under
| > > > > > > | > >images, I apparently have two sets or groups of images.
| > > > > > > | > >One set or group is inside the images folder and the
| > > > > > > | > >other one is under it. I used some of the images under
| > > > > > > | > >the images folder to replace/overwrite images inside the
| > > > > > > | > >images folder. Please someone help me out here and
| > > > > > > | > >explain what is taking place. Can I safely delete some
| > > > > > > | > >of the images inside the images folder? Thanks very much!
| > > > > > > | >
| > > > > > > | > If you're looking at yuour Web in Windows explorer and see
| > > > > > > | > pairs of files like:
| > > > > > > | >
| > > > > > > | > images\myself.gif
| > > > > > > | > images\_vti_cnf\myself.gif
| > > > > > > | >
| > > > > > > | > don't delete anything. images\_vti_cnf\myself.gif is
| > > > > > > | > actually a text file where FrontPage keeps track of
| > > > > > > | > internal information.
| > > > > > > | >
| > > > > > > | > Otherwise, you can move any pictures files you want from
| > > > > > > | > anywhere else and drop them in the images folder. Just do
| > > > > > > | > this in FrontPage so that FrontPage can adjust all your
| > > > > > > | > <img> tags to reflect the new locations.
| > > > > > > | >
| > > > > > > | > You should, of course, not relocate files FrontPage
| > > > > > > | > creates for use by Themes or other components.
| > > > > > > | >
| > > > > > > | > Jim Buyens
| > > > > > > | > Microsoft FrontPage MVP
| > > > > > > | > (e-mail address removed)
| > > > > > > | > http://www.interlacken.com
| > > > > > > | > Author of:
| > > > > > > | > *------------------------------------------------------*
| > > > > > > | > |\----------------------------------------------------/|
| > > > > > > | > || Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003 Inside Out ||
| > > > > > > | > || Microsoft FrontPage Version 2002 Inside Out ||
| > > > > > > | > || Web Database Development Step by Step .NET Edition ||
| > > > > > > | > || Troubleshooting Microsoft FrontPage 2002 ||
| > > > > > > | > || Faster Smarter Beginning Programming ||
| > > > > > > | > || (All from Microsoft Press) ||
| > > > > > > | > |/----------------------------------------------------\|
| > > > > > > | > *------------------------------------------------------*
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Stefan B Rusynko · Jul 13, 2003

Or just configure your image editor (PSP) in FP for .jpg and .gif
Tools Options Configure Editors
Then when working in FP if you need to change an Imported Image, just double click it, (PSP will open), edit / save it and close
your image editor (FP will use the new PSP edited image) and adjust the file attributes (img height / width) through out your web
and never have to resave the image in FP
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| Buddy,
|
| Here is how I handle this situation. I import the image into the current
| open FP, then open my page and insert the image on my page, resize the
| image, then I view image properties and note the new width and height, I do
| not save the page or the image changes. I now open my image application and
| resize the image, save to my desktop again, then import into back into FP
| using the same name, and re-insert on my page.
|
| --
|
| ==============================================
| Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
|
| FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
| MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| ==============================================
| To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
|
| | > Maybe I place too much emphasis on having graphics, particularly photos,
| > look exactly the way I want them to look on a finished page. I do edit
| them
| > FIRST in PSP and then by clicking on the "Insert Picture from File" icon,
| I
| > bring up my pictures folder and select from there. After that, though, I
| > fiddle with them-resize, maybe look at it on the left, the right-that sort
| > of thing. I think this is why I'm getting more graphics than I need
| (somehow
| > leftover) from the fiddling.around that I do.
| >
| > So...I'm trying to figure out how to speed up my design process by finding
| a
| > way to quickly separate the needed graphics from the no-longer-needed
| ones.
| > Surely, other designers do this too. What I'm looking for is a simple
| > process that I can follow to either delete the no-longer-needed graphics
| as
| > I go, or, a way to identify the ones that don't need to get uploaded and
| > delete them all at one time. Thanks for reading.
| > | > > No problem, Buddy.
| > > You are trying to overcomplicate things. Follow Tom Rowe's advice, and
| > > don't do your image work within FP, it'll just cause headaches. Do your
| > > image work in your graphics program and import the images into your web
| > > before inserting on the page. You won't have to put up with the saving
| > and
| > > embedding.
| > > --
| > > -----
| > > Tom Pepper Willett
| > > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > > -----
| > > | > > | Tom, I apologize. I may have reacted to your answer too quickly. It
| > seemed
| > > | that you were making fun of what you perceived to be a pretty dumb
| > > question
| > > | posted by me. I guess I'm just struggling.
| > > | | > > | > Wasn't intended to be cute. You asked how some of us did it, and I
| > > | > responded with how I did it. What's not to understand? Or, perhaps
| > you
| > > | > didn't ask the question right.
| > > | > --
| > > | > -----
| > > | > Tom Pepper Willett
| > > | > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > > | > -----
| > > | > | > > | > | Cute Tom. But some of us come here because we are trying to figure
| > out
| > > | how
| > > | > | to use FP.
| > > | > | | > > | > | > "Is there a system or process that experienced developers follow
| > to
| > > | get
| > > | > | rid
| > > | > | > of no-longer-needed graphics?"
| > > | > | >
| > > | > | > I right click and delete.
| > > | > | > --
| > > | > | > -----
| > > | > | > Tom Pepper Willett
| > > | > | > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > > | > | > -----
| > > | > | > | > > | > | > | Well OK then, but how do experienced designers/developers get
| > rid
| > > of
| > > | > | > | graphics that they modify/resample/replace or overwrite?
| > > | > | > |
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Jim Buyens · Jul 13, 2003

Buddy L. said:
Thanks for your straight forward reply, Thomas. I'm obviously getting
confused on how to seperate what is being saved by FP from what is not. Does
FP save a graphic only when I see the Save Embedded Files dialogue box or
does it save at other times, like when a page is saved? After the site is
completed, just before uploading, is there a way to look at all the graphic
files that I've used, and determine which ones I will need to keep and which
to delete?

There's a way to do this, but it's not 100% accurate.

To take a look, choose Reports from the View menu, then Problems, then
Unlinked Files. This will display a list of the files FrontPage
believes appear in no hyperlinks, <img> tags, or other components in
your Web. Another name for these is "orphaned files".

The problem is that there's a lot of tricky HTML in the world, and
FrontPage doesn't necessarily detect all references to a page or
picture. As a result, there's no guarantee that removing a picture on
the Unlinked Files report won't be harmful.

Nevertheless, if you must try this:

1. Publish a copy of your web to a test location.
2. Open the test location.
3. Display the Unlinked Files report.
4. Select all the pictures it reports, and then press the Delete key.
5. Test your test Web and replace any pictures that seem to be
missing.

Jim Buyens
Microsoft FrontPage MVP
(e-mail address removed)
http://www.interlacken.com
Author of:
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|\----------------------------------------------------/|
|| Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003 Inside Out ||
|| Microsoft FrontPage Version 2002 Inside Out ||
|| Web Database Development Step by Step .NET Edition ||
|| Troubleshooting Microsoft FrontPage 2002 ||
|| Faster Smarter Beginning Programming ||
|| (All from Microsoft Press) ||
|/----------------------------------------------------\|
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