Some suggestions about Winlinux 2003?

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Anna

hi all,

I have found out t that winlinux 2003 is free source code.

I red the features ... it mentions we can install it from the windows
environment. just like other windows applicaoitns.

so is it an emulator or what? or is it like virtual linux?
what are the adv and dis-advantages?

can you guys kindly share your thoughts??

many thanks,
 
Hi Anna,
so is it an emulator or what? or is it like virtual linux?
what are the adv and dis-advantages?
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I found the following information at http://www.winlinux.net and be aware
that WinLinux currently only supports Win95, Win98 and WinMe. It doesn't
support WinNT, Win2000 and WinXP yet.

* How does WinLinux compare to other Linux distributions?

WinLinux 2000 is the only Linux distribution that installs from Windows with
automatic hardware detection and configuration just like any Windows
application. It also shares the hard disk with your existing Windows system
optimizing the use of free disk space.

Technically speaking, WinLinux has the same features you find in a full
Linux system, the main difference is that it is based on the UMSDOS file
system, instead of EXT2 Linux file system. However that does not prevent you
from using EXT2 partitions you already use.

Regards, Romain
 
Hi ,

thanks, but doesn't it mean i can run it on my desk-top? means i am inside
windows 98 and i am having linux console? or it rebotes the system everytime
i re-run the winlinux????

many thanks
 
Anna said:
thanks, but doesn't it mean i can run it on my desk-top? means i am inside
windows 98 and i am having linux console? or it rebotes the system everytime
i re-run the winlinux????
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After installing winlinux you have winlinux in your normal start menu in
windows. When you want to run winlinux you use that to start it.

It then makes a soft reboot into winlinux and you can work there.
When you leave winlinux it makes a reboot into your windows operative
system again.

You cannot run a linux system inside windows, it wouldn't be linux then.

There is a system of programs called Cygwin that lets you run a unix-like
system inside windows, but it is not linux and it has very limited
features.
 
Roger said:
After installing winlinux you have winlinux in your normal start menu in
windows. When you want to run winlinux you use that to start it.

It then makes a soft reboot into winlinux and you can work there.
When you leave winlinux it makes a reboot into your windows operative
system again.

You cannot run a linux system inside windows, it wouldn't be linux then.

There is a system of programs called Cygwin that lets you run a unix-like
system inside windows, but it is not linux and it has very limited
features.
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You cannot run a linux system inside windows, it wouldn't be linux then
I used to run BeOS from a folder inside Windows.
Its a shame they dont make a LiveCD version of BeOS, it was fun.
 
Roger Johansson said:
After installing winlinux you have winlinux in your normal start menu in
windows. When you want to run winlinux you use that to start it.

It then makes a soft reboot into winlinux and you can work there.
When you leave winlinux it makes a reboot into your windows operative
system again.
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Okay, it's actually an operating system, not an operative system.

The advantage of Winlinux is that it uses the existing filesystem,
making it really easy to try without messing up your system. When I
tried it, it used Mandrake Linux 7.something. I eventually went to a
real dual boot and am up to Mandrake 9.2.
To uninstall it it was just a matter of deleting the file created and
reboot to command line, use FDISK /MBR and you were uninstalled.
You cannot run a linux system inside windows, it wouldn't be linux
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then.

Not true, I can run Linux from within a window on XP, you just need
emmulation software, like Bochs or VMWare(commercial). There are other
Linux distros out there that let you run from within windows, and yes
it's still Linux. Look at http://www.colinux.org/ for example.
There is a system of programs called Cygwin that lets you run a unix-like
system inside windows, but it is not linux and it has very limited
features.
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Cygwin allows you to run some programs that require unix or linux, it
handles the system calls and converts them to Windows calls. Like a unix
emmulator, not an OS on it's own by any stretch.
HK
 
H-Man said:
Okay, it's actually an operating system, not an operative system.
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I translate swedish terms directly sometimes without realizing that it is
called something slightly different in english. Thanks for the correction.
Not true, I can run Linux from within a window on XP, you just need
emmulation software, like Bochs or VMWare(commercial). There are other
Linux distros out there that let you run from within windows, and yes
it's still Linux. Look at http://www.colinux.org/ for example.
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I hope you mean that it is possible to take new linux programs like KDE and
use them in this linux environment inside windows, while windows is also
running.
I will check it out.

I can imagine using a windows emulator like Wine under Linux, to be able to
continue to use some of my favorite programs.

But generally it is not very efficient to run one operating system inside
another. It is slow compared to run the same programs under their native
operating systems.
Cygwin allows you to run some programs that require unix or linux, it
handles the system calls and converts them to Windows calls. Like a unix
emmulator, not an OS on it's own by any stretch.
HK
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Yes, cygwin a simple unix-like system, a console where you can run unix
commands ported to windows.
There is also a package called Berkely utilities which is a collection of
unix utilities ported to windows.

It is like going back to the DOS era, working in a command-line
environment, but the commands are different in unix.
A system like cygwin could be useful for somebody who wants to see what it
is like to use unix.

Cygwin can also be used to run some unix programs under windows, I think.
 
JoeA said:
You cannot run a linux system inside windows, it wouldn't be linux then
I used to run BeOS from a folder inside Windows.
Its a shame they dont make a LiveCD version of BeOS, it was fun.
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Um, yes you can. Just crank up BOCHS (freeware) or VMWAre (payware) or
the like and away you go.

Cheers,
Gary B-)
 
Roger Johansson said:
Found out that colinux works only in win2k and xp.
Winlinux works in win95, win98 and winme.
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This has an awful lot to do with the different approach to security and
such in the different version of Windows. Anything that is NT based,
Win2K WinXP, require a different approach than do the Win9X Versions.
Winlinux will eventually support the NT versions as well, my guess is
that they'll need better support for NTFS and better control of
multiboot in these versions. With colinux, there's really no point in
attempting to change things to support th Win9X versions, as these
versions are pretty much on their way out anyway.
HK
 
Roger Johansson said:
I translate swedish terms directly sometimes without realizing that it is
called something slightly different in english. Thanks for the
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correction.

I'd never have guessed swedish, cool!
I hope you mean that it is possible to take new linux programs like KDE and
use them in this linux environment inside windows, while windows is also
running.
I will check it out.
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Yes, the software provides an emmulated pc environment inside of
Windows. I run a version of DOS, Windows'98 and Linux all on my host of
Windows XP. All can run at the same time, allowing me to quickly access
my work in any of the above OS's. Although this emmulation layer does
slow down the guest operating systems, they are still functional. A fast
processor and a lot of ram are your freinds with this scenario though.
I can imagine using a windows emulator like Wine under Linux, to be able to
continue to use some of my favorite programs.
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This just emmulates Windows inside of Linux, Bochs and VMware actually
create a guest PC inside of a host PC. Don't get me wrong, Wine is a
huge accomplishment and is definately a good solution. For me, because I
develope for DOS/WIN'9x/WINNT and Linux, it allows me to go from one to
the other without having to reboot my host.
But generally it is not very efficient to run one operating system inside
another. It is slow compared to run the same programs under their native
operating systems.
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It is resource hungry I admit, however on good hardware, an efficient OS
linke linux can prove very useable as a guest OS. DOS of course will run
fast on minimal hardware.
Yes, cygwin a simple unix-like system, a console where you can run unix
commands ported to windows.
There is also a package called Berkely utilities which is a collection of
unix utilities ported to windows.

It is like going back to the DOS era, working in a command-line
environment, but the commands are different in unix.
A system like cygwin could be useful for somebody who wants to see what it
is like to use unix.

Cygwin can also be used to run some unix programs under windows, I
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think.

Yes, I've heard of people actually running KDE on top of Cygwin, might
just be myth though.
HK
 
Hi Anna,


I found the following information at http://www.winlinux.net and be
aware
that WinLinux currently only supports Win95, Win98 and WinMe. It
doesn't
support WinNT, Win2000 and WinXP yet.

* How does WinLinux compare to other Linux distributions?

WinLinux 2000 is the only Linux distribution that installs from
Windows with
automatic hardware detection and configuration just like any Windows
application. It also shares the hard disk with your existing Windows
system
optimizing the use of free disk space.

Technically speaking, WinLinux has the same features you find in a
full
Linux system, the main difference is that it is based on the UMSDOS
file
system, instead of EXT2 Linux file system. However that does not
prevent you
from using EXT2 partitions you already use.

Regards, Romain
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Setups like WinLinux are generally considered a bad idea by real
Linux users due to the fact that they depend on the UMSDOS
filesystem. Pretty much *NOBODY* seriously uses UMSDOS with Linux
anymore these days.

If anybody is going to be *DUMB* enough to use a UMSDOS-based Linux distro,
do yourself a favor and don't bother going to any Linux newsgroup asking
for support.

After they stop laughing at you,you'll be told to get lost and come back
when you've installed a *REAL* Linux system.
 
hi all,

I have found out t that winlinux 2003 is free source code.

I red the features ... it mentions we can install it from the windows
environment. just like other windows applicaoitns.

so is it an emulator or what? or is it like virtual linux?
what are the adv and dis-advantages?

can you guys kindly share your thoughts??

many thanks,
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My concern is this... if you are running Linux from within Windows, aren't
all of the Windows exploits and security holes still available?
 
donutbandit said:
My concern is this... if you are running Linux from within Windows, aren't
all of the Windows exploits and security holes still available?
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Depends on exactly what the situation is. I can't say for sure regarding
Winlinux, but if you're using something like Bochs(freeware) or
VMware(commercial), there is nothing additional to exploit, AFAIK.
Because of the way the virtual machine gets implemented, it is isolated
from the host OS except by a networking interface. If an exploit
existed, it would be the same as if they were different machines on the
same network.
Regarding Winlinux, my feeling is that there may be some holes in the
filesystem, but I don't know that for sure. Any other exploits would be
the same as if you had a dual boot, and opened access to the Windows
partitions.
Winlinux isn't intended for serious Linux use, but for a migration path
from Windows to a Linux distro, either dual boot or stand alone.
HK
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