Some questions...

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Ok, I have a few posers and comments about RC1 if you'll indulge me...

1: What is with MS' obsession of moving away from the file menu? Trying to
do anything is really tricky now as either the file menu is hidden by
default or isn't there in the first place. Internet Explorer is now *really*
hard to use - the layout's dramatically changed and there aren't any obvious
configuration options such as afforementioned file menu.

2: Would I be correct in assuming there is no firewall currently available
which is entirely compatible with Vista? I have tried ZA which managed to
get about half way through the install before simply giving up the ghost.
Then there's Kerio/Subelt which doesn't even *pretend* that it's going to
try to install.

3: Why is there no 'up' button in Windows Explorer? By this I mean when you
click on 'Computer' and end up with the dialogue box with all your drives
and devices etc and start exploring through them - unlike with XP if you
wish to go up a tree rather than simply retracing your steps, you apparently
can't.

4: The 3d flipper seems to be a bit of a gimmick, but perhaps its true
functionality will shine through in time.

5: It is a very nice looking OS and it's extremely quick - definitely
progress being made on those 2 fronts.

6: Not sure what I make of the new style programs menu/system from the start
menu.

7: I've had one crash so far, kind of. I installed the Nvidia drivers and
the screen went black although I could hit ctrl/alt/del to bring up the
menu - unfortunately none of the choices worked. Was forced into a hard
reset.

8: Why, when you finally successfully installed said drivers, are there no
advanced options in display properties? I was expecting to see the usual
Nvidia control panel.

Thanks for any responses.
 
2. The Vista firewall is two-way.

3. The Up button has changed to the breadcrumbs bar. You can now step
directly up several levels by clicking however far left you want to go in
the breadcrumbs. If the path is long, there is a chevron to the left that
allows you further navigation upwards in the tree. The breadcrumbs now make
it possible to do multistep up moves with a single click. Of course, if you
want to proceed one level at a time as you do in XP you may do so by
clicking left one place at a time in the breadcrumb bar.
 
Danny said:
Ok, I have a few posers and comments about RC1 if you'll indulge me...

1: What is with MS' obsession of moving away from the file menu? Trying to
do anything is really tricky now as either the file menu is hidden by
default or isn't there in the first place. Internet Explorer is now
*really* hard to use - the layout's dramatically changed and there aren't
any obvious configuration options such as afforementioned file menu.
Click to expand...

For IE7, go to tools and put a tick in menu bar. You now get your file bar
back.
 
Colin Barnhorst said:
2. The Vista firewall is two-way.
Click to expand...

I prefer not to use MS' own programs of this type.
3. The Up button has changed to the breadcrumbs bar. You can now step
directly up several levels by clicking however far left you want to go in
the breadcrumbs. If the path is long, there is a chevron to the left that
allows you further navigation upwards in the tree. The breadcrumbs now
make it possible to do multistep up moves with a single click. Of course,
if you want to proceed one level at a time as you do in XP you may do so
by clicking left one place at a time in the breadcrumb bar.
Click to expand...

I have absolutely no idea what you mean by 'breadcrumbs' bar. That's a new
one to me.

Thanks for replying.
 
Danny said:
Ok, I have a few posers and comments about RC1 if you'll indulge me...

1: What is with MS' obsession of moving away from the file menu? Trying to
do anything is really tricky now as either the file menu is hidden by
default or isn't there in the first place. Internet Explorer is now
*really* hard to use - the layout's dramatically changed and there aren't
any obvious configuration options such as afforementioned file menu.

2: Would I be correct in assuming there is no firewall currently available
which is entirely compatible with Vista? I have tried ZA which managed to
get about half way through the install before simply giving up the ghost.
Then there's Kerio/Subelt which doesn't even *pretend* that it's going to
try to install.

3: Why is there no 'up' button in Windows Explorer? By this I mean when
you click on 'Computer' and end up with the dialogue box with all your
drives and devices etc and start exploring through them - unlike with XP
if you wish to go up a tree rather than simply retracing your steps, you
apparently can't.

4: The 3d flipper seems to be a bit of a gimmick, but perhaps its true
functionality will shine through in time.

5: It is a very nice looking OS and it's extremely quick - definitely
progress being made on those 2 fronts.

6: Not sure what I make of the new style programs menu/system from the
start menu.

7: I've had one crash so far, kind of. I installed the Nvidia drivers and
the screen went black although I could hit ctrl/alt/del to bring up the
menu - unfortunately none of the choices worked. Was forced into a hard
reset.

8: Why, when you finally successfully installed said drivers, are there no
advanced options in display properties? I was expecting to see the usual
Nvidia control panel.

Thanks for any responses.
Click to expand...

One extra point; why does 'system idle process' constantly want to hog my
CPU? I find my HD LED blinking like mad every so often and I can hear disk
access, then a quick check of task manager reveals about 80%+ of the CPU
being used by SIP.
 
Beck said:
For IE7, go to tools and put a tick in menu bar. You now get your file
bar back.
Click to expand...

I looked for tools and couldn't see it. Then just right clicked on the bar
at the top and hey presto, I found the option. Cheers.
 
Danny said:
I prefer not to use MS' own programs of this type.


I have absolutely no idea what you mean by 'breadcrumbs' bar. That's a new
one to me.
Click to expand...

I think breadcrumbs refers to the folder bar navigation down the left pane.
 
I think what Colin meant is the equivalent sort of, to the address bar in IE
that allows the breadcrumb navigation.
dotcom
 
No it doesn't. I will post a new thread on it. The breadcrumb bar is the
bar across the top that looks like an address bar.
 
Danny said:
I looked for tools and couldn't see it. Then just right clicked on the bar
at the top and hey presto, I found the option. Cheers.
Click to expand...

Is that Danny from FUKBB ??
 
See the post "Where's my Up Arrow (up one folder button) in Windows
Explorer?" just posted.
 
The System Idle Process is the place-holder that shows the percentage of time
*not* spent using the CPU. It's not really a process. However, you're
obviously experiencing some activity, which points to the fact that Task
Manager is not as useful as it could be to see what's happening on your
system. There's a new tool in Vista that addresses these shortcomings,
allowing you to get a better idea of what's consuming resources (and how
much): the Reliability and Performance Monitor.

The shortcut to this tool:
Start->p-e-r-f (typed in the search blank).
Select "Reliability and Performance Monitor" from the search results.

It requires elevation.

The CPU usage is a moving window average, so you can see what has been
taking the most CPU over the past 60 seconds.
--
David Goll
Windows Portable Devices Team

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
 
Beck said:
Yeah fine thanks. What do you think of the Vista?
Click to expand...

Looks sexy as hell, let's be honest. They've really sleeked up the look big
style and it's visually pretty dang nice.
Works much more quickly than previous OS's as well - overall I'd say I'm
impressed although the fact the layout has so dramatically changed in places
(Control panel has been radically overhauled) is seriously something to get
used to. I tried an older beta months ago and the improvement is plain to
see.
Obviously they need 3rd party software to catch up with compatibility and
there are plenty of other little glitches which need ironed out, but it
looks good. Really good. And it's much further on than XP was in RC1 stage.

For the life of me though I can't fathom the 'up' arrow issue though...
/tries to understand Colin's post again.
 
I agree, I like many improvements over the old style ui but not everything,
Some things required more work and are destructive in doing things. For
example, if you click on an icon in the control panel, why should I have to
approve 2 dialogs to let it execute. Why can't the OS sense that I clicked
it, do a checksum on the program and see that it was distributed with the
operating system unaltered?

If the program was altered in anyway then it is a suspect. A checksum will
tell.

I found it difficult to use the new Control panel. I revert back to the
classic style.

This is just some of my pet heaves. I like most other changes.
 
Looks sexy as hell, let's be honest. They've really sleeked up the look
big style and it's visually pretty dang nice.
Works much more quickly than previous OS's as well - overall I'd say I'm
impressed although the fact the layout has so dramatically changed in
places (Control panel has been radically overhauled) is seriously
something to get used to. I tried an older beta months ago and the
improvement is plain to see.
Obviously they need 3rd party software to catch up with compatibility and
there are plenty of other little glitches which need ironed out, but it
looks good. Really good. And it's much further on than XP was in RC1
stage.

For the life of me though I can't fathom the 'up' arrow issue though...
/tries to understand Colin's post again.
Click to expand...

Well say you are in the welcome centre and it displays this in the address
bar
Control Panel\System and Maintenance\Welcome Center

and you want to go up a folder to system and maintenance, in the address bar
you just click on system and maintenance ?
 
Beck said:
Well say you are in the welcome centre and it displays this in the address
bar
Control Panel\System and Maintenance\Welcome Center

and you want to go up a folder to system and maintenance, in the address
bar you just click on system and maintenance ?
Click to expand...

Yeah, I do follow it now, I just think the up arrow was more effective
because it was a set button you hit to specifically go up one level no
matter where you were. Now you have to look at the path and choose the
location to the left of the one you're on. Just seems a little bit less
intuitive to me, although I'm sure I'll get used to it.
 
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