So you CAN install Vista Upgrade without first installing XP

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Step 1 here says "Boot from the Windows Vista Upgrade DVD and start the
setup program". I thought that was part of the problem was that you can't
boot from the Upgrade DVD AND run setup. Is this a typo or am I incorrect?
 
I believe the DVD's are all the same. It just depends on the key that you
enter to get the right functionality.
 
LaRoux said:
Step 1 here says "Boot from the Windows Vista Upgrade DVD and start the
setup program". I thought that was part of the problem was that you can't
boot from the Upgrade DVD AND run setup. Is this a typo or am I incorrect?
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All Vista DVDs are bootable because there is only one x86 DVD and one x64
DVD. It's the product key during the installation that determines the
version and if it's upgrade or full.
 
Rock --

"Only the upgrade volume media may not be bootable."

Darrell Gorter[MSFT]


To be bootable or not, that is the question because contrary to what Darrell
said Volume Licensing at MSFT says you have no choice in a volume license to
get full media whatsoever. And they couldn't answer the question as to
whether it's bootable and I wish Darrell could clarify this and get the
"may" out of this.

Does anyone have an upgrade DVD from a volume licensing agreement you can
check?

I just called Volume Licensing at MSFT and they say that you can only order
an upgrade DVD via Volume Licensing and you don't have the choice of full
media Darrell Gorter said you have. That leaves the question then are Volume
licensing upgrade DVD's bootable and Darrell said he thinks not.

MSFT confirmed that only upgrade DVDs are availalbe via Volume Licensing but
Volume Licensing sales did not know if these are bootable as well.

And this page confirms only upgrade DVDs are availalbe via volume licensing:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows/quiz_vol.mspx

I can't find documentation as to whether they are bootable until someone who
has one in their hands tries it and finds out.

The thread is I referred to and started was titled "How MSFT has blocked
your repairing Vista--if No DVD or Upgrade DVD" and was started on Jan. 29.
I started it to clarify whether all upgrade DVDs are bootable and Win RE
equipped.

If I read Darrell Gorter's recent post addressing this topic, and onoe that
I wanted clarified, (i.e. are all upgrade DVD's bootable and equipped with
Win RE?) then there is a classification of upgrade DVD that is not bootable,
and that's the volume license upgrade DVD, but you have the option to
request a full DVD.

Note from the thread where Darrell clarified this:

Hello,
Correct. Retail and upgrade media should be the same. The product key
detemines the behavior..
Both are bootable, both contain WinRE. You can boot to the Upgrade DVD and
get to WinRE to use the repair functionality
The only media that may not be bootable is the Volume License Upgrade
Media. ( I don't have a copy of that media to test whether it's bootable or
not, but I have been told that Volume License Upgrade media is not supposed
to be bootable)

Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]


Hello,
Only the upgrade volume media may not be bootable.
Since all Volume License media is assumed that you have a compliant OS
license already.
The VL licenses are for upgrade media licensing even though you can request
full media, the license is still upgrade.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

Hello,
Why? when you can request the full media instead?
Since Volume License Upgrade is not bootable, your options are limited, so
just request full media.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

Volume Licensing 1-800-MICROSOFT
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows/quiz_vol.mspx

CH
 
Chad said:
Rock --

"Only the upgrade volume media may not be bootable."

Darrell Gorter[MSFT]


To be bootable or not, that is the question because contrary to what
Darrell said Volume Licensing at MSFT says you have no choice in a
volume license to get full media whatsoever. And they couldn't answer
the question as to whether it's bootable and I wish Darrell could
clarify this and get the "may" out of this.

Does anyone have an upgrade DVD from a volume licensing agreement you
can check?

I just called Volume Licensing at MSFT and they say that you can only
order an upgrade DVD via Volume Licensing and you don't have the choice
of full media Darrell Gorter said you have. That leaves the question
then are Volume licensing upgrade DVD's bootable and Darrell said he
thinks not.

MSFT confirmed that only upgrade DVDs are availalbe via Volume Licensing
but Volume Licensing sales did not know if these are bootable as well.

And this page confirms only upgrade DVDs are availalbe via volume
licensing:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows/quiz_vol.mspx

I can't find documentation as to whether they are bootable until someone
who has one in their hands tries it and finds out.

The thread is I referred to and started was titled "How MSFT has
blocked your repairing Vista--if No DVD or Upgrade DVD" and was started
on Jan. 29. I started it to clarify whether all upgrade DVDs are
bootable and Win RE equipped.

If I read Darrell Gorter's recent post addressing this topic, and onoe
that I wanted clarified, (i.e. are all upgrade DVD's bootable and
equipped with Win RE?) then there is a classification of upgrade DVD
that is not bootable, and that's the volume license upgrade DVD, but you
have the option to request a full DVD.

Note from the thread where Darrell clarified this:

Hello,
Correct. Retail and upgrade media should be the same. The product key
detemines the behavior..
Both are bootable, both contain WinRE. You can boot to the Upgrade DVD and
get to WinRE to use the repair functionality
The only media that may not be bootable is the Volume License Upgrade
Media. ( I don't have a copy of that media to test whether it's bootable or
not, but I have been told that Volume License Upgrade media is not supposed
to be bootable)

Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]


Hello,
Only the upgrade volume media may not be bootable.
Since all Volume License media is assumed that you have a compliant OS
license already.
The VL licenses are for upgrade media licensing even though you can request
full media, the license is still upgrade.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

Hello,
Why? when you can request the full media instead?
Since Volume License Upgrade is not bootable, your options are limited, so
just request full media.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

Volume Licensing 1-800-MICROSOFT
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows/quiz_vol.mspx

CH
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Hi Chad.

The below link says that you can request bootable VL media.

http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/resources/vol/default.mspx

Media Considerations

Volume License Product Use Rights require that you have a previous
qualifying operating system license for each copy of Windows Vista you
deploy. The default 32-bit Volume License media are upgrade-only and are
not bootable (64-bit Volume License media are not restricted in this
way, since there is no supported upgrade path). You must first boot a
previous version of Windows and then run the setup to install Windows
Vista. * _Bootable media is also available on request through your
Volume License portal._ *

See also:
Table 5: Windows Vista Volume License Media

At the same link. The mystery deepens.

--
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http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"Nope. Just CLUELESS CUNTS LIKE YOU too stupid to work it out. Thank
the bittorent brigade."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot
 
Nina said:
Chad said:
Rock --

"Only the upgrade volume media may not be bootable."

Darrell Gorter[MSFT]


To be bootable or not, that is the question because contrary to what
Darrell said Volume Licensing at MSFT says you have no choice in a
volume license to get full media whatsoever. And they couldn't answer
the question as to whether it's bootable and I wish Darrell could
clarify this and get the "may" out of this.

Does anyone have an upgrade DVD from a volume licensing agreement you
can check?

I just called Volume Licensing at MSFT and they say that you can only
order an upgrade DVD via Volume Licensing and you don't have the
choice of full media Darrell Gorter said you have. That leaves the
question then are Volume licensing upgrade DVD's bootable and Darrell
said he thinks not.

MSFT confirmed that only upgrade DVDs are availalbe via Volume
Licensing but Volume Licensing sales did not know if these are
bootable as well.

And this page confirms only upgrade DVDs are availalbe via volume
licensing:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows/quiz_vol.mspx

I can't find documentation as to whether they are bootable until
someone who has one in their hands tries it and finds out.

The thread is I referred to and started was titled "How MSFT has
blocked your repairing Vista--if No DVD or Upgrade DVD" and was
started on Jan. 29. I started it to clarify whether all upgrade DVDs
are bootable and Win RE equipped.

If I read Darrell Gorter's recent post addressing this topic, and onoe
that I wanted clarified, (i.e. are all upgrade DVD's bootable and
equipped with Win RE?) then there is a classification of upgrade DVD
that is not bootable, and that's the volume license upgrade DVD, but
you have the option to request a full DVD.

Note from the thread where Darrell clarified this:

Hello,
Correct. Retail and upgrade media should be the same. The product key
detemines the behavior..
Both are bootable, both contain WinRE. You can boot to the Upgrade
DVD and
get to WinRE to use the repair functionality
The only media that may not be bootable is the Volume License Upgrade
Media. ( I don't have a copy of that media to test whether it's
bootable or
not, but I have been told that Volume License Upgrade media is not
supposed
to be bootable)

Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]


Hello,
Only the upgrade volume media may not be bootable.
Since all Volume License media is assumed that you have a compliant OS
license already.
The VL licenses are for upgrade media licensing even though you can
request
full media, the license is still upgrade.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

Hello,
Why? when you can request the full media instead?
Since Volume License Upgrade is not bootable, your options are
limited, so
just request full media.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

Volume Licensing 1-800-MICROSOFT
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows/quiz_vol.mspx

CH
Click to expand...

Hi Chad.

The below link says that you can request bootable VL media.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/plan/volact1.mspx

Media Considerations

Volume License Product Use Rights require that you have a previous
qualifying operating system license for each copy of Windows Vista you
deploy. The default 32-bit Volume License media are upgrade-only and are
not bootable (64-bit Volume License media are not restricted in this
way, since there is no supported upgrade path). You must first boot a
previous version of Windows and then run the setup to install Windows
Vista. * _Bootable media is also available on request through your
Volume License portal._ *

See also:
Table 5: Windows Vista Volume License Media

At the same link. The mystery deepens.
Click to expand...

Sorry, put the wrong link by accident. This is the right link for the
above quotes.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/plan/volact1.mspx

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"Nope. Just CLUELESS CUNTS LIKE YOU too stupid to work it out. Thank
the bittorent brigade."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot
 
Step 1 here says "Boot from the Windows Vista Upgrade DVD and start the
setup program". I thought that was part of the problem was that you can't
boot from the Upgrade DVD AND run setup. Is this a typo or am I incorrect?
Click to expand...

The problem is NOT that you can't boot from the Vista Upgrade media.
The problem is that the Vista upgrade disk does not check for previous
versions of Windows IF you enter your CD key during installation.

Workaround:
1) Boot from Vista Upgrade media.
2) Start install normally.
3) Do NOT enter CD key when asked.
4) Finish installation.
5) Reboot from Vista Upgrade media
6) Enter CD key when asked
7) Choose to do a "custom" ("clean" install).
Finish installation.


Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the original thread and newsgroup
 
Chad:
I have the downloaded version of Vista Enterprise x86 & x64. I
purchased Vista Business with v/l and s/a which was upgraded to enterprise.
Both DVDs that I burned are bootable, I have installed Enterprise after
formatting a hard drive or on a blank new hard drive. Have a great day.

--
Dennis Pack
XP x64, Vista Enterprise x64
Office2007
Chad Harris said:
Rock --

"Only the upgrade volume media may not be bootable."

Darrell Gorter[MSFT]


To be bootable or not, that is the question because contrary to what
Darrell said Volume Licensing at MSFT says you have no choice in a volume
license to get full media whatsoever. And they couldn't answer the
question as to whether it's bootable and I wish Darrell could clarify this
and get the "may" out of this.

Does anyone have an upgrade DVD from a volume licensing agreement you can
check?

I just called Volume Licensing at MSFT and they say that you can only
order an upgrade DVD via Volume Licensing and you don't have the choice of
full media Darrell Gorter said you have. That leaves the question then are
Volume licensing upgrade DVD's bootable and Darrell said he thinks not.

MSFT confirmed that only upgrade DVDs are availalbe via Volume Licensing
but Volume Licensing sales did not know if these are bootable as well.

And this page confirms only upgrade DVDs are availalbe via volume
licensing:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows/quiz_vol.mspx

I can't find documentation as to whether they are bootable until someone
who has one in their hands tries it and finds out.

The thread is I referred to and started was titled "How MSFT has blocked
your repairing Vista--if No DVD or Upgrade DVD" and was started on Jan.
29. I started it to clarify whether all upgrade DVDs are bootable and Win
RE equipped.

If I read Darrell Gorter's recent post addressing this topic, and onoe
that I wanted clarified, (i.e. are all upgrade DVD's bootable and
equipped with Win RE?) then there is a classification of upgrade DVD that
is not bootable, and that's the volume license upgrade DVD, but you have
the option to request a full DVD.

Note from the thread where Darrell clarified this:

Hello,
Correct. Retail and upgrade media should be the same. The product key
detemines the behavior..
Both are bootable, both contain WinRE. You can boot to the Upgrade DVD
and
get to WinRE to use the repair functionality
The only media that may not be bootable is the Volume License Upgrade
Media. ( I don't have a copy of that media to test whether it's bootable
or
not, but I have been told that Volume License Upgrade media is not
supposed
to be bootable)

Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]


Hello,
Only the upgrade volume media may not be bootable.
Since all Volume License media is assumed that you have a compliant OS
license already.
The VL licenses are for upgrade media licensing even though you can
request
full media, the license is still upgrade.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

Hello,
Why? when you can request the full media instead?
Since Volume License Upgrade is not bootable, your options are limited, so
just request full media.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

Volume Licensing 1-800-MICROSOFT
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows/quiz_vol.mspx

CH





Rock said:
All Vista DVDs are bootable because there is only one x86 DVD and one x64
DVD. It's the product key during the installation that determines the
version and if it's upgrade or full.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
The upgrade DVD from the Volume licensing program is *NOT bootable, but you
can and should request full media.

See this recent post clarifying by Darrell Gorter [MSFT}:

"The license for volume programs is for upgrade ( which means that you need
to have a qualifying OS which would meet the compliance for upgrade
scenarios(compliance checks). this should be in the license agreement,
what Windows versions would meet the requirement.).
You are not required to do an upgrade, You are not required to have the
previous version of Windows installed. You are required to have a license
for the previous versions of Windows.
Some of the people posting in the newsgroups since November have posted the
names to the downloads that were available from their VL programs.
In each case they listed both the upgrade and full version names as
available for download. ( x64 volume is only available as a non-upgrade
option)
So I had to ask around and got to borrow an upgrade volume license DVD,so
as to confirm it is not bootable. This is only Volume upgrade media, all
other Windows upgrade media should be bootable.
however I also confirmed that the all the volume license programs have full
prodcut media available as an option as well. Either for download or you
can order a DVD. The default DVD shipped out is the Upgrade Volume Media."

Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

CH
 
Chad:
Please excuse my stupidity. I purchased Vista Business with v/l &
s/a which was upgraded to Vista Enterprise. There were no supplied media
just download links for x86 & x64 images. I burned the images to DVDs and
both are bootable. The download link lists:
"By checking this box, I acknowledge that I may install this full version
of Windows only on desktops for which my organization has acquired:

A qualifying operating system license1 AND a Volume Licensing Windows
upgrade license, or
A full license for Windows through an OEM or from a retail source (Full
Package Product)
1See the Product List for details

Please be aware that this download is only available to Software Assurance
customers with active agreements. Software Assurance customers are eligible
to use this software under the terms and conditions of their Licensing
Agreement. If you are not a Software Assurance customer, please cancel this
download."


--
Dennis Pack
XP x64, Vista Enterprise x64
Office2007
Chad Harris said:
The upgrade DVD from the Volume licensing program is *NOT bootable, but
you can and should request full media.

See this recent post clarifying by Darrell Gorter [MSFT}:

"The license for volume programs is for upgrade ( which means that you
need
to have a qualifying OS which would meet the compliance for upgrade
scenarios(compliance checks). this should be in the license agreement,
what Windows versions would meet the requirement.).
You are not required to do an upgrade, You are not required to have the
previous version of Windows installed. You are required to have a license
for the previous versions of Windows.
Some of the people posting in the newsgroups since November have posted
the
names to the downloads that were available from their VL programs.
In each case they listed both the upgrade and full version names as
available for download. ( x64 volume is only available as a non-upgrade
option)
So I had to ask around and got to borrow an upgrade volume license DVD,so
as to confirm it is not bootable. This is only Volume upgrade media, all
other Windows upgrade media should be bootable.
however I also confirmed that the all the volume license programs have
full
prodcut media available as an option as well. Either for download or you
can order a DVD. The default DVD shipped out is the Upgrade Volume
Media."

Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

CH


Rock said:
All Vista DVDs are bootable because there is only one x86 DVD and one x64
DVD. It's the product key during the installation that determines the
version and if it's upgrade or full.
Click to expand...
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