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Yeah and also the code hasn't been fully optimized yet either. Now if it's
still slow after that, there are no excuses...
 
It is a little slower then I was expecting, but RC1 should be better when it
is released.
 
The clear, confident, connected MSFT is paying developers 4 grand a day to
go after the debug code but if it's "dogcrap slow" than you need to end the
dogcrap processes and services that you con't need to run and get a
competent defragger that isn't the dogcrap defragger that ships with Vista
like Perfect Disk or Diskeeper. I defrag it every couple days with Perfect
Disk and you can tell the difference. It's never been slow for me on the
same box as XP; in fact many things are faster.

LOL. after RTM the refrain will be SP1 will be better.

CH
 
Is Vista Dog crap slow because it has so much debug code ?
Click to expand...

Yeah and its like watching paint dry if you put office 12 beta in as
well, speeds up noticably with 1Gb + ram though.

Jonah
 
Office 12 beta in for months and not slow if you kill services/processes and
defrag often with Perfect Disk or diskeeper. Kick spyware off too.
Remember Defender only gets 60-70% right now at best so use a few spyware
booters at the rope line.

CH
 
More likely it is that your hardware is inadequate. While Vista still has a
lot of debug code *and* is not optimized for performance, it still runs
fairly well on decent hardware. Put it on an older machine and you can
expect to be walking, not running.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
 
I noticed that the hdd where Vista is installed gets severely fragmented
right after Vista first starts. But the problem is Vista doesn't see its
drive as fragmented. The Disk Defragmenter on Vista diesn't see Vista's files
as fragmented. But when you boot up another hdd with XP and check Vista's
drive for fragmentation, you'll be surpised the whole drive is red and green.
I highly recommend checking Vista's drive for fragmentation using another XP
on another drive. I've seen this 4 times now, as I've re-installed Vista 4
times. After the defrag, Vista will run faster, boot quicker even on Aero
Glass mode, less hard drive activity. I currently use Vista x64 on an 80GB
Maxtor IDE.
 
Art---

Defrag with a real defragger (you won't have one ever shipped with a
Windows OS), and do it 3X per week and more if you're using graphics
intensive apps often. Also make sure that you have enough free space to do
a competent defrag. Perfect Disk says 5%, MSKBs say 15%, Execsoft says more
is better 20-30% in their white papers.

Because of cost, legal considerations some 3rd apps are never going to be
good quality that are shipped with Windows. Defragging is one. Use
www.raxco.com Perfect Disk or use www.diskeeper.com Diskeeper. In XP, the
defragger was a watered down version of Diskeeper made by ExecutiveSoft.
They have a free public beta that will work on Vista anybuild done made yet.

http://www.diskeeper.com/profile/submit-select.aspx?a=l&PId=104

I saw; it says 5384 and now you have Vista Beta 2 or Vista 5456.5 "Interim"
aka ("are we there /the TBTs wanna new build no matter the bugs not fixed
in the prior one--kids in adult bodies whining for new builds" just to say
they have the latest whether anything has been done significant since the
last one) it'll work. BTW that phenomenon is called "superficial reverse
Schadenfreude" or the illusion of elitism without the substance to back it
up. It's in the water at Redmond even though 99% of 'em can't spell it.

1) You can use Executive Soft's www.diskeeper.com Diskeeper 10 now as a 30
day full functionality trial available for Vista X86. I have Diskeeper 8.0
with its latest update working fine on Vista and it is much better than the
defragger that Vista or Windows One Care will ship with. Since defragging
is highly important, and not a sexy enough feature for MSFT to ever
emphasize anywhere on their websites or in their promotional material, I
think it's mandatory to get a 3rd party defragger. Let me put it
simply--defragging helps speed your PC significantly if done regularly. I
noticed that in the http://oca.microsoft.com hang errors explanations that
no mention is made of degragmentation and its vaule, but a number of off the
wall causes for hang are mentioned.

2) You can use Perfect Disk www.raxco.com but in order to do it you have to
patch the MSI or the installer with ORCA from the platform SDK.

3) Also if you dual boot XP and Vista, and use Perfect Disk 8.0 and up, you
can
use it to defrag your Vista drive from the XP drive much better than with
the watered down defragger MSFT ships with Vista, and you can do boot
defrags as well. Raxco's perfect disc also requires only 5% of free space
to do an effective defrag. See: www.raxco.com

Either of these two is light years better than anything XP or Vista ships
with and it is important--it's not in the frill category.

Good luck,

CH
 
Chad,

I took your suggestion, d/l+installed Diskeeper Home Edition 10.0 15 day
trial program. I did this on C drive - Windows XP SP2. I defragged both C
and D (Vista) drive. On C, it found 693 fragments and got all but 1 cleaned
up. This is the original C drive that came with the machine last year. (Dell
XPS Gen 5, 3.8GHz 800FSB, 1GB DDR2 SDRAM @ 667MHz - 2 WD Raptor 74 GB 10K
HDS.)

I also defragged D, found over 100 fragments, cleaned up all of them. This
is the drive I installed Vista Beta 2, build 5384, a few weeks ago. I
defragged D while booted up to C - seemed to work OK.

I am impressed with Diskeeper after this brief use - now I'll go read the
instructions and see how/when/etc. to properly care for my machine. I
believe the price for this program is $29.95 - not too bad at all.

Thanks for ''heads up"

Bill
 
pardon me for jumping in, how would a amd athlon x64 3700+ on Asus A7N-Vm
with !gb behave?
It does NVIDIA Nforce 4 chip set GPU 64MB
 
Thank you for the good information I have done all of the things suggested
b4 sending this message 1 Gig ram
Disk keeper 10 for Vista I will keep my eyes open for things that could be
running that I do not need
 
jonah said:
Yeah and its like watching paint dry if you put office 12 beta in as
well, speeds up noticably with 1Gb + ram though.
Click to expand...

1gig is min for beta 2 to be 'friendly' . But the MS team known that they
cant expect people to have to buy 2 gig of ram for the Gold version of
Vista.
(1 gig right now feel so tiny )
Their goal is to have something running decently in 512 meg...

But time is running out :(

Stephan
 
make sure you kill all the searching tools and whatnot... made a huge
diference.
Not using Aero also is a big speed boost.

To ship, I think MS need to liscense technology from google for fast search
indexing :(

Stephan
 
I have a IBM NetVista with P4 2.0 gig and a Nvidia FX5200. I definately think
Vista runs slower than XP. Im not sure speed will improve that much. I can
just imagine how slow a computer from Dell will be out of the box. With all
the other junk they have preinstalled and loaded at boot. I guess thats why
Office 2007 has been delayed again to the general public because of beta
testers complaints of slowness.
Vista seems to be heading in that direction! Other than the slowness mine
5384 has been running nicely no real problems. I would like to see more third
party software work with Vista. Especially some of the plugins for IE 7. I
guess they are coming!
 
It is because the build still contains debugging code and has not been
optimized yet. Both cause a performance hit.
 
Google search would be a good start for MSN Search and MSFT. They hired one
of a few Distinguished Scientist's Dr. Gary Flake from Yahoo Search to
revamp search. So far not much in the way of results in Vista,
www.microsoft.com , MSDN's sites or Technet. Certainly not much progress in
the MSKB search as well.

CH
 
At 3-4 grand a day for outside developers to debug, (which is what MSFT is
paying them at this very moment to come to Redmond and bail them out, you'd
think there would be a scintilla of progress but I don't see much.

CH
 
Hey, it's over 50 million lines of code. It's gonna take some time to get
all the kinks out no matter how many outsiders you hire. Just have to wait
and see what the next build looks like.
 
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