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question is have a 30gb (fat32) as a master, installed a WD 40gb as slave
(NTFS) are they capatible or will I have to reformatt the slave to fat32?
 
Bob I said:
They are just fine as is.


Well, yes and no...

We're assuming, of course, that the OP has the XP operating system installed
on his/her 30 GB FAT32-formatted HD. If he/she is using, or plans to use,
the 40 GB NTFS-formatted HD as, for example, a repository for backing up
files from the FAT32-formatted drive, then there's a problem.

The FAT32-formatted drive will not "see" the NTFS-formatted one. There will
be no practical way to directly copy/move folders/files from the boot drive
to the backup one. Simply stated, the FAT32-formatted drive will not be able
to access the NTFS-formatted drive.

So if the OP, for one reason or another, needs to maintain the boot drive
FAT32-formatted, it would be best to format the 30 GB HD FAT32 as well.
Otherwise both drives should be formatted NTFS.

OP - Is there some particular reason why your boot drive (presumably with XP
installed) has been formatted FAT32?
Anna
 
Anna said:
Well, yes and no...

We're assuming, of course, that the OP has the XP operating system
installed on his/her 30 GB FAT32-formatted HD. If he/she is using, or
plans to use, the 40 GB NTFS-formatted HD as, for example, a repository
for backing up files from the FAT32-formatted drive, then there's a
problem.

The FAT32-formatted drive will not "see" the NTFS-formatted one. There
will be no practical way to directly copy/move folders/files from the boot
drive to the backup one. Simply stated, the FAT32-formatted drive will not
be able to access the NTFS-formatted drive.

If the OP is running Windows XP, it doesn't matter if the XP boot drive is
FAT32 or NTFS, XP will have no problems copying or moving files from one
drive to the other.
 
Drives don't ACCESS drives, operating systems do.
Well, yes and no...

We're assuming, of course, that the OP has the XP operating system installed
on his/her 30 GB FAT32-formatted HD. If he/she is using, or plans to use,
the 40 GB NTFS-formatted HD as, for example, a repository for backing up
files from the FAT32-formatted drive, then there's a problem.

The FAT32-formatted drive will not "see" the NTFS-formatted one. There will
be no practical way to directly copy/move folders/files from the boot drive
to the backup one. Simply stated, the FAT32-formatted drive will not be able
to access the NTFS-formatted drive.

So if the OP, for one reason or another, needs to maintain the boot drive
FAT32-formatted, it would be best to format the 30 GB HD FAT32 as well.
Otherwise both drives should be formatted NTFS.

OP - Is there some particular reason why your boot drive (presumably with XP
installed) has been formatted FAT32?
Anna
 
Bob is 100% correct.

The Operating System determines what can and cannot be accessed and
when and where...

Also in the case of 2 drives it is MUCH better to have one FAT and one
NTFS. Both as NTFS can cause problems because they will write as if
they were one drive. They will both carry the page file and that can
cause problems.

-Randy
 
Anna said:
Well, yes and no...

We're assuming, of course, that the OP has the XP operating system
installed on his/her 30 GB FAT32-formatted HD. If he/she is using, or
plans to use, the 40 GB NTFS-formatted HD as, for example, a repository
for backing up files from the FAT32-formatted drive, then there's a
problem.

The FAT32-formatted drive will not "see" the NTFS-formatted one. There
will be no practical way to directly copy/move folders/files from the boot
drive to the backup one. Simply stated, the FAT32-formatted drive will not
be able to access the NTFS-formatted drive.

So if the OP, for one reason or another, needs to maintain the boot drive
FAT32-formatted, it would be best to format the 30 GB HD FAT32 as well.
Otherwise both drives should be formatted NTFS.

OP - Is there some particular reason why your boot drive (presumably with
XP installed) has been formatted FAT32?
Anna


BR549 said:
If the OP is running Windows XP, it doesn't matter if the XP boot drive is
FAT32 or NTFS, XP will have no problems copying or moving files from one
drive to the other.


Bob I said:
Drives don't ACCESS drives, operating systems do.


BR549 & Bob I:
You are correct. I provided wrong information.

My only excuse - flimsy as it may be - is that I had just been working on a
Win Me/XP machine that had file system incompatibilities issues involved and
I mistakenly carried over my mindset in responding to the OP's query.
Obviously the information I provided is not relevant to the OP's situation
since (presumably) he/she has installed the XP OS on his/her "master" (boot)
HD.

I should have known better. My apologies to the OP.
Anna
 
Your scenario about 2 NTFS drives is rather puzzling. The page file will
only reside on one partition UNLESS specifically configured otherwise.
For the OP, it makes NO particular problems if he has 1 FAT32 and 1
NTFS, 2 NTFS or 2 FAT32. As is, is just fine.
 
Bob said:
Your scenario about 2 NTFS drives is rather puzzling. The page file will
only reside on one partition UNLESS specifically configured otherwise.
For the OP, it makes NO particular problems if he has 1 FAT32 and 1
NTFS, 2 NTFS or 2 FAT32. As is, is just fine.

Bob,

Try it...

Try formatting multiple drives all NTFS, then let me know how many page
files you have...

You should show one on every drive.

It's the way NTFS handles business. Much different than FAT and other
file systems.

The only reason I know is because when I set-up my RAIDs Unix could not
access them if I set-up the drives under NTFS. The reason? The page
file on every drive.

Like I said try it.

-Randy
 
In Randella <[email protected]> typed:
| Bob is 100% correct.
|
| The Operating System determines what can and cannot be accessed and
| when and where...
|
| Also in the case of 2 drives it is MUCH better to have one FAT and one
| NTFS. Both as NTFS can cause problems because they will write as if
| they were one drive. They will both carry the page file and that can
| cause problems.
|
| -Randy
|
| Bob I wrote:
|| Drives don't ACCESS drives, operating systems do.
||
|| Anna wrote:
||
|||| winterharborhouse wrote:
||||
||||
||||| question is have a 30gb (fat32) as a master, installed a WD 40gb
||||| as slave (NTFS) are they capatible or will I have to reformatt
||||| the slave to fat32?
|||
|||
My query is about removing the old program files from my old fat32 drive
now in a slave postion (harddrive1)
WindowsXp has been deleted from that drive but the Program files,
documents and settings folders are still there. I thought I might need
that list to recall what had to be reinstalled on the new drive(master)
partitioned into two sections C: system Fat32 E: NTFS. Now, I'm sure I
don't need those files (4.2Gb worth)
This second harddrive is one partition(FAT32) now named D:
I went to Disk Management, right clicked on Drive D to format and in
that process a message came up saying that some system files were active
and could be damaged by continuing so I backed out of that activity.
My intent was to format to NTFS and use that old drive status as a
storage area only.
At the moment I'm deleting things one folder at a time because I have
not been able to Google any results for this warning message that popped
up.
What is the DOS command that would format the disk D to be in NTFS?
Rose
 
Go to a command prompt and do help convert. If files are in use on the
drive you want to convert it will convert them at the next boot.

I'm not sure what was meant by the comment about problems with having both
as NTFS. I've run all my systems that way since Win2K in that all my
drives are NTFS.
 
In Brett I. Holcomb <[email protected]> typed:
| Go to a command prompt and do help convert. If files are in use on
| the drive you want to convert it will convert them at the next boot.
|
| I'm not sure what was meant by the comment about problems with having
| both as NTFS. I've run all my systems that way since Win2K in that
| all my drives are NTFS.
|
|
| RoseW wrote:
|
|| In || Randella <[email protected]> typed:
||| Bob is 100% correct.
|||
|| My query is about removing the old program files from my old fat32
|| drive now in a slave postion (harddrive1)
|| WindowsXp has been deleted from that drive but the Program files,
|| documents and settings folders are still there. I thought I might
|| need that list to recall what had to be reinstalled on the new
|| drive(master) partitioned into two sections C: system Fat32 E:
|| NTFS. Now, I'm sure I don't need those files (4.2Gb worth)
|| This second harddrive is one partition(FAT32) now named D:
|| I went to Disk Management, right clicked on Drive D to format and in
|| that process a message came up saying that some system files were
|| active and could be damaged by continuing so I backed out of that
|| activity.
|| My intent was to format to NTFS and use that old drive status as a
|| storage area only.
|| At the moment I'm deleting things one folder at a time because I have
|| not been able to Google any results for this warning message that
|| popped up.
|| What is the DOS command that would format the disk D to be in NTFS?
|| Rose

Brett I. Holcomb <[email protected]> typed:
| Go to a command prompt and do help convert. If files are in use on
| the drive you want to convert it will convert them at the next boot.

This is an unused drive with old program files, no Windows present and I
assume no registry. It seems strange to me that files would be active.
I'm not acessing that drive.
This is the exact message that appears if I use the Disk Management menu
command FORMAT
'he Volume Old C Drive(D:) Primary partition is currently in use. To
force the format of this volume, click Yes.
Warning: Forcing a format might cause unexpected errors in the
application that is using this volume. Do you want to continue?'
Who knows what application is using, I sure cannot find a trail.
Rose
 
Something is using it. You can do a ctl-atl-del and see what is in the
process list that might use it. Go to the start run and do msconfig and
turn off stuff (note what you turn off) and see if that helps. On FAT32
there shouldn't be anything.

If you are sure nothing useful is using the drive then do the conversion
anyway.
 
The problem is NTFS and DOS related.

Just go into disk management delete your partition.

Then create a new primary partition and format it. If it won't allow
you to do anything with the disk there are format utilities avalible.

I like this one...
http://dban.sourceforge.net/

Good Luck... Windows rarely lets go of things...

-Randy
 
RoseW said:
My query is about removing the old program files from my old fat32 drive
now in a slave postion (harddrive1)
WindowsXp has been deleted from that drive but the Program files,
documents and settings folders are still there. I thought I might need
that list to recall what had to be reinstalled on the new drive(master)
partitioned into two sections C: system Fat32 E: NTFS. Now, I'm sure I
don't need those files (4.2Gb worth)
This second harddrive is one partition(FAT32) now named D:
I went to Disk Management, right clicked on Drive D to format and in
that process a message came up saying that some system files were active
and could be damaged by continuing so I backed out of that activity.
My intent was to format to NTFS and use that old drive status as a
storage area only.
At the moment I'm deleting things one folder at a time because I have
not been able to Google any results for this warning message that popped
up.
What is the DOS command that would format the disk D to be in NTFS?
Rose

(Rose later adds...)
This is an unused drive with old program files, no Windows present and I
assume no registry. It seems strange to me that files would be active.
I'm not acessing that drive.
This is the exact message that appears if I use the Disk Management menu
command FORMAT
'he Volume Old C Drive(D:) Primary partition is currently in use. To
force the format of this volume, click Yes.
Warning: Forcing a format might cause unexpected errors in the
application that is using this volume. Do you want to continue?'
Who knows what application is using, I sure cannot find a trail.
Rose


Rose:
In all probability you can go ahead and format that D: drive. All things
considered, it probably would be best (using Disk Management) to first
delete the partition (I'm assuming there's only one partition) and then
format the drive. There should be no negative consequences. The XP OS is
apparently detecting the residue of some old system files remaining on that
drive after you previously deleted the XP program.

BUT - AND THIS IS AN IMPORTANT "BUT" - before you do this - just to make
sure there will be no problem arising...

First, disconnect the D: drive from the system. Boot with only your present
C: drive connected. If the drive boots without incident and functions
normally in all respects, then, and *only* then, should you can go ahead
with the above.
Anna
 
Check and see if System Restore is monitoring the D: drive in System
Properties..?
If it is, highlight the D: drive and hit the settings button, check the box
to stop SR from monitoring the drive..
Any change..?
j;-j
 
In Jaymon <[email protected]> typed:
| Check and see if System Restore is monitoring the D: drive in System
| Properties..?
| If it is, highlight the D: drive and hit the settings button, check
| the box to stop SR from monitoring the drive..
| Any change..?
| j;-j

Yes, I had already done that and the message still arrived.
I checked with my local repair service and his advice was to download
the utility from the Maxtor drive site (Maxblaster 4 )which has the
drive set-up and formating for slave drive as well as main system drive.
There is an older MBplus2 utility that will work on other brand name
drives the Maxblaster4 is only for Maxtor drives. It was his view that
WindowsXp is very protective of its system and he would use the Maxtor
utility if he were doing the task.
I ended up just deleting by hand. All deleted with no problem. Scanned
the drive and no bad blocks. I have given up on the idea of formatting
it to be an NTFS and will just be using it in its Fat32 for digital
image storage. I wasn't sure what to do with the Recycle bin so I left
it there. Moved some folders over to that drive as a test and all seems
to be fine.
It could be because I have a home network although the other computer
wasn't on or that Diskeeper runs automatically in the background-but
that old drive was not defragmented. I prefer the NTFS structure but
this old drive will be inactive stored stuff that is already burned to a
cd but if I want any of the files its faster to get them of a drive then
the cd routine.
| "RoseW" wrote:
|
|||||
|||| My query is about removing the old program files from my old fat32
|||| drive now in a slave postion (harddrive1)
|||| WindowsXp has been deleted from that drive but the Program files,
|||| documents and settings folders are still there. I thought I might
|||| need that list to recall what had to be reinstalled on the new
|||| drive(master) partitioned into two sections C: system Fat32 E:
|||| NTFS. Now, I'm sure I don't need those files (4.2Gb worth)
|||| This second harddrive is one partition(FAT32) now named D:
|||| I went to Disk Management, right clicked on Drive D to format and
|||| in that process a message came up saying that some system files
|||| were active and could be damaged by continuing so I backed out of
|||| that activity.
|||| My intent was to format to NTFS and use that old drive status as a
|||| storage area only.
|||| At the moment I'm deleting things one folder at a time because I
|||| have not been able to Google any results for this warning message
|||| that popped up.
|||| What is the DOS command that would format the disk D to be in NTFS?
|| This is an unused drive with old program files, no Windows present
|| and I assume no registry. It seems strange to me that files would be
|| active. I'm not acessing that drive.
|| This is the exact message that appears if I use the Disk Management
|| menu command FORMAT
|| 'he Volume Old C Drive(D:) Primary partition is currently in use. To
|| force the format of this volume, click Yes.
|| Warning: Forcing a format might cause unexpected errors in the
|| application that is using this volume. Do you want to continue?'
|| Who knows what application is using, I sure cannot find a trail.
|| Rose
 
Did you check the Indexing Service it too may have been accessing the D:
drive..?
You can also turn off the recycle bin capabilities on D: too, by right
clicking the bins desktop icon, properties, global tab, check config drives
independently, check "do not move files to the Recycle bin"..
Remember, windows is looking at a primary partition with data on it anyway
and will always warn you that system files can or could be affected.. Perhaps
even a paging file might have had access..? I'm wondering why you have given
up with disk management..? I never use OEM HD disk managers if I can help it,
have always trusted fdisk or disk management to partition & format HD's for
all the MS Windows and DOS OS's I've used over the years, my opinion..
If you want to use NTFS just do it, or not, your call..

Look these links over, if you haven't already..
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307881/EN-US/
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310525/EN-US/
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314463/EN-US/

If you want to format your entire 40GB HD or larger drives and or partitions
in XP with XP's Disk Management, see the link below.. Works nice, super fast
too..
http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?fat32format.htm
Cheers..
j;-j
 
In Jaymon <[email protected]> typed:
| Did you check the Indexing Service it too may have been accessing the
| D: drive..?
Dont have Indexing service turned on as a service
| You can also turn off the recycle bin capabilities on D: too, by right
| clicking the bins desktop icon, properties, global tab, check config
| drives independently, check "do not move files to the Recycle bin"..
| Remember, windows is looking at a primary partition with data on it
| anyway and will always warn you that system files can or could be
| affected.. Perhaps even a paging file might have had access..?
Had deleted existing paging file
I'm
| wondering why you have given up with disk management..?
There comes a point that the phrase ' stop beating a dead horse' and
that's what this felt like. So for the fuss and bother of getting a disk
that was in a Fat32 formatted into the NTFS and a bunch of old files sat
waiting for a 'dead storage area' I just muttered 'THAT's IT!' and
proceeded to use the empty Fat32.

I never use
| OEM HD disk managers if I can help it, have always trusted fdisk or
| disk management to partition & format HD's for all the MS Windows and
| DOS OS's I've used over the years, my opinion..

I didn't feel comfortable using the utility from the Maxtor site but I
downloaded it and saved ...just in case sort of thing...

| If you want to use NTFS just do it, or not, your call..

I like the feature of being able to add comments in the properties
sheets which will show up in a column while using Windows explorer.
Unfortunately this data column doesn't show up when burned to a cd. I
just do a screen shot to get those descriptive phrases. It is a handy
addition to describe obscure freeware download file names or a notation
about an image.
|
| Look these links over, if you haven't already..
| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307881/EN-US/
| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310525/EN-US/
| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314463/EN-US/
|
| If you want to format your entire 40GB HD or larger drives and or
| partitions in XP with XP's Disk Management, see the link below..
| Works nice, super fast too..
| http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?fat32format.htm

I checked out a lot of references looking for specifics on reformating a
slave drive but most were focusing on the main drive with the OS being
installed. I'll check this reference out just the same. My main drive is
partitioned with the OS on fat32 and my data files on Ntfs. So my old
30G drive matches the drive C instead~)
Thanks for all the input.
| Cheers..
| j;-j
|
|
| "RoseW" wrote:
|
|| In || Jaymon <[email protected]> typed:
||| Check and see if System Restore is monitoring the D: drive in System
||| Properties..?
||| If it is, highlight the D: drive and hit the settings button, check
||| the box to stop SR from monitoring the drive..
||| Any change..?
||| j;-j
||
|| Yes, I had already done that and the message still arrived.
|| I checked with my local repair service and his advice was to download
|| the utility from the Maxtor drive site (Maxblaster 4 )which has the
|| drive set-up and formating for slave drive as well as main system
|| drive. There is an older MBplus2 utility that will work on other
|| brand name drives the Maxblaster4 is only for Maxtor drives. It was
|| his view that WindowsXp is very protective of its system and he
|| would use the Maxtor utility if he were doing the task.
|| I ended up just deleting by hand. All deleted with no problem.
|| Scanned the drive and no bad blocks. I have given up on the idea of
|| formatting it to be an NTFS and will just be using it in its Fat32
|| for digital image storage. I wasn't sure what to do with the Recycle
|| bin so I left it there. Moved some folders over to that drive as a
|| test and all seems to be fine.
|| It could be because I have a home network although the other computer
|| wasn't on or that Diskeeper runs automatically in the background-but
|| that old drive was not defragmented. I prefer the NTFS structure but
|| this old drive will be inactive stored stuff that is already burned
|| to a cd but if I want any of the files its faster to get them of a
|| drive then the cd routine.
||| "RoseW" wrote:
|||
|||||||
|||||| My query is about removing the old program files from my old
|||||| fat32 drive now in a slave postion (harddrive1)
|||||| WindowsXp has been deleted from that drive but the Program files,
|||||| documents and settings folders are still there. I thought I might
|||||| need that list to recall what had to be reinstalled on the new
|||||| drive(master) partitioned into two sections C: system Fat32 E:
|||||| NTFS. Now, I'm sure I don't need those files (4.2Gb worth)
|||||| This second harddrive is one partition(FAT32) now named D:
|||||| I went to Disk Management, right clicked on Drive D to format and
|||||| in that process a message came up saying that some system files
|||||| were active and could be damaged by continuing so I backed out of
|||||| that activity.
|||||| My intent was to format to NTFS and use that old drive status as
|||||| a storage area only.
|||||| At the moment I'm deleting things one folder at a time because I
|||||| have not been able to Google any results for this warning message
|||||| that popped up.
|||||| What is the DOS command that would format the disk D to be in
|||||| NTFS?
|||| This is an unused drive with old program files, no Windows present
|||| and I assume no registry. It seems strange to me that files would
|||| be active. I'm not acessing that drive.
|||| This is the exact message that appears if I use the Disk Management
|||| menu command FORMAT
|||| 'he Volume Old C Drive(D:) Primary partition is currently in use.
|||| To force the format of this volume, click Yes.
|||| Warning: Forcing a format might cause unexpected errors in the
|||| application that is using this volume. Do you want to continue?'
|||| Who knows what application is using, I sure cannot find a trail.
|||| Rose
 
Sorry, thought you had the 40GB drive and the other OP did oops..!
Also, the last link I provided (previous post) needs Disk Management to
partition and set the Drive letter, then the fat32format app using the CMD
prompt, formats any size drive or partition beyond the FAT32 limit of 32GB..
The older Fdisk & Format MS-DOS utilities where very trust worthy then as
XP's Disk Management is today.. It is always best to format and initially
partition with the OS that is using or going to use the drive, my opinion.
These links may provide you more insight..
http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/disc/howto/install_xp_disk_mgmt.html
http://www.pcmech.com/show/harddrive/43/
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/c12621675.mspx
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308423
More food for thought..
j;-j
 
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