Sinking Like a Rock

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Pete said:
FACE THE FACT, the blogs are indicative of what is going on out there.
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No they are indicative of that individuals opinion.
Have a look around you, you will find many other blogs of people who have no
problems with Vista and are happy with it.
 
Beck said:
No they are indicative of that individuals opinion.
Have a look around you, you will find many other blogs of people who have
no problems with Vista and are happy with it.
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Pete is correct. There are many blogs like the ones he mentioned, not just
two - and within lots of those blogs are numerous participants who are
complaining about Vista. Not only that, take a look at the many Vista forums
under the msnews.microsoft.com newsgroup server. There are quite a few
complaints there from many different individuals.
 
Papa said:
Pete is correct. There are many blogs like the ones he mentioned, not just
two - and within lots of those blogs are numerous participants who are
complaining about Vista. Not only that, take a look at the many Vista
forums under the msnews.microsoft.com newsgroup server. There are quite a
few complaints there from many different individuals.
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I am not denying there are complaints. There will be complaints in exactly
the same way that there were about XP. However the links he provided are
merely opinion that Vista is bad and many of the comments on those blogs are
from people who have not even used Vista. How can they possibly make a
valid comment if they have not used it?

The articles are terribly written and terribly flawed and do not even
warrant attention. For example "lack of drivers", how is this Microsofts
fault? Companies have had Vista for months now and have plenty of time to
create drivers for legacy devices. If they are not doing them then it is
for one of two reasons - either they are lazy and do not care about the
customers or they are not going to bother in some vague hope people will
upgrade to a newer version of their hardware. They are the ones to blame,
not the OS manufacturer.
I cannot run certain hardware and software on Ubuntu - does that mean I
blame the makers of Ubuntu for this? No of course not, it is purely the
manufacturers fault. Its just another reason for people to bash Microsoft
even when other operating systems suffer from the same problem.
 
Beck said:
I am not denying there are complaints. There will be complaints in
exactly the same way that there were about XP. However the links he
provided are merely opinion that Vista is bad and many of the comments on
those blogs are from people who have not even used Vista. How can they
possibly make a valid comment if they have not used it?

The articles are terribly written and terribly flawed and do not even
warrant attention. For example "lack of drivers", how is this Microsofts
fault? Companies have had Vista for months now and have plenty of time to
create drivers for legacy devices. If they are not doing them then it is
for one of two reasons - either they are lazy and do not care about the
customers or they are not going to bother in some vague hope people will
upgrade to a newer version of their hardware. They are the ones to blame,
not the OS manufacturer.
I cannot run certain hardware and software on Ubuntu - does that mean I
blame the makers of Ubuntu for this? No of course not, it is purely the
manufacturers fault. Its just another reason for people to bash Microsoft
even when other operating systems suffer from the same problem.
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The fantastic deluge of complaints is quite dramatic and beyond
overwhelming.
My take: "WORST RELEASE EVER"
-Pete
 
The whole point of this, and other Vista NG's, is to provide assistance to
those who are experiencing problems. Those without problems do generally not
post "Hey, not having any problems here."

Lang
 
Beck said:
I am not denying there are complaints. There will be complaints in
exactly the same way that there were about XP. However the links he
provided are merely opinion that Vista is bad and many of the comments on
those blogs are from people who have not even used Vista. How can they
possibly make a valid comment if they have not used it?

The articles are terribly written and terribly flawed and do not even
warrant attention.
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I agree, a lot of these articles read like a pissy 15 year old wrote them.

For example "lack of drivers", how is this Microsofts
 
Today, Pete made these interesting comments ...
The word on the street is that Vista is sinking like a rock:
http://www.dailytechnobabble.com/2007/02/26/three-reasons-why-w
indows-vista-is-sinking-like-a-rock/

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/18085

-Pete
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Pete, unlike my industry, cars, MS has enough of a lock on the
market except for Macs and Linux, especially through OEMs, that
eventually Vista will succeed as the herd follows it. Maybe it will
get less expensive, but I can't envision MS going backwards and
retrofitting XP for what they spend billions to create in Vista,
nor do I expect the HW people to suddenly stop creating PCs for it.
Likewise, independent SW developers are tied to Vista's "success"
as well. O/S software, unlike many commodities, are what economists
call an inelastic commodity, meaning, that no matter the price,
content or quality, people will buy it because they either really
must - or think they must.

Too bad real competition doesn't exist in the SW industry as it
does in most "hard" commodities ...
 
Today, Papa made these interesting comments ...
Pete is correct. There are many blogs like the ones he
mentioned, not just two - and within lots of those blogs are
numerous participants who are complaining about Vista. Not
only that, take a look at the many Vista forums under the
msnews.microsoft.com newsgroup server. There are quite a few
complaints there from many different individuals.
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Blogs, though, generally only collect comments from the two poles
of a controversy. In this case, people who either believe Vista
is not selling and those who think it is. To get the real story,
one would have to find out the true sales numbers, which can only
be surmised by looking at what OEMs "sell", etc., as stores and
MS itself do not publish exact sales figures.
 
Pete is correct. There are many blogs like the ones he mentioned, not just
two - and within lots of those blogs are numerous participants who are
complaining about Vista. Not only that, take a look at the many Vista forums
under the msnews.microsoft.com newsgroup server. There are quite a few
complaints there from many different individuals.
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There have been blogs claiming that "This will be the year of the Linux
Desktop" since the Millennium. Hasn't come true.
 
The fantastic deluge of complaints is quite dramatic and beyond
overwhelming.
My take: "WORST RELEASE EVER"
-Pete
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It appears you've been in IT for a very short period of time.

Exactly the same was said when XP was in its infancy.
 
It appears you've been in IT for a very short period of time.

Exactly the same was said when XP was in its infancy.
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I don't remember that at all. While there was obviously some 'backlash' by
people that are afraid of change, I don't recall the criticism being
anywhere nearly as harsh as it is for Vista.

As a matter of fact, M$ was still reeling from the fact that Millenium was
by far, the worst O/S they had released, which was in 9/2000 (?), and
subsequently replaced by XP in 10/2001.
 
The word on the street is that Vista is sinking like a rock:http://www.dailytechnobabble.com/2007/02/26/three-reasons-why-windows...

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/18085

-Pete
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Big deal, history tells us 3 things about new Microsoft OS's:
1. They always take advantage of the latest computer technology.
This means two things: Don't run out and buy the latest Windows,
install it or buy it on a new computer made to take the new OS; and
second, when Microsoft announces a new OS, invest in companies that
make memory, video cards, etc. to take advantage of those that must
have the latest OS.
2. It takes a few updates before everything is right. Then when it's
running good, a new OS comes out.
3. There's always a group of people whaa-whaaing about the new OS.
 
O/S software, unlike
many commodities, are what economists call an inelastic commodity,
meaning, that no matter the price, content or quality, people will buy
it because they either really must - or think they must.
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No. Users have the option of downloading a free OS that is easy to
install and set up, and will meet basic needs for Web access/email, word
processing, digital music and photos, etc. Linux has come a long, long
way in the past couple of years.

People also have the option of sticking with whatever OS they were using
before Vista came out.

If developers begin to create desirable software that will only run under
Vista, then it will become a must-have. I'm not holding my breath.

Charlie
 
Today, Charlie Wilkes made these interesting comments ...
No. Users have the option of downloading a free OS that is
easy to install and set up, and will meet basic needs for Web
access/email, word processing, digital music and photos, etc.
Linux has come a long, long way in the past couple of years.

People also have the option of sticking with whatever OS they
were using before Vista came out.

If developers begin to create desirable software that will
only run under Vista, then it will become a must-have. I'm
not holding my breath.

Charlie
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Why the "no", Charlie? I was talking in broader terms that SW of
any type that costs money is inelastic if a customer really needs
it or simply thinks they do. And, even though us retired folk
don't charge to install something, it still has a time value of
money if it is wasted for no good reason. And, keep in mind, that
Vista being free is but for a very narrow subset of potential
users. To me, it is very expensive both in money and
time/annoyance/trouble.

I would agree with your basic notion, though, that any current
users are free to stay with what they've got, upgrade or not,
download or not, anything they want to do - or not do. As to new
SW of any kind where there is a trial version or wounded version
until one pays, that is almost always the course I take. Again, I
do NOT beta test ANY SW on my Visa, period. And, I beta test
released software on my time almost zero, the only exception
being something that I truly need. e.g., I bought Acronis True
Image 9.0 last year, but not before I'd gotten plenty of
testimonials that it was a good utility and very stable.

Someday, developers WILL write software only for Vista, mainly,
in my view, to take advantage of some new feature(s) their new
app or utility must have. This is no different than truly new
apps and utils for previous versions. But, you and I are
generally in the same boat, we are floating around the big pond
just fine for now and will continue to do so until our current PC
dies.
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
No. Users have the option of downloading a free OS that is easy to
install and set up, and will meet basic needs for Web access/email, word
processing, digital music and photos, etc. Linux has come a long, long
way in the past couple of years.

People also have the option of sticking with whatever OS they were using
before Vista came out.

If developers begin to create desirable software that will only run under
Vista, then it will become a must-have. I'm not holding my breath.

Charlie
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Linux ain't easy/quick to learn.
Demand for MS software is price inelastic, and gov't should step in.
-Pete
 
Today, Charlie Wilkes made these interesting comments ...


Why the "no", Charlie? I was talking in broader terms that SW of any
type that costs money is inelastic if a customer really needs it or
simply thinks they do.
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Perhaps I shouldn't have expressed myself so categorically. My thought
is that Windows has indeed been an inelastic product for many years, but
it is becoming less so. People were motivated to upgrade from 3x to w95
because of its improved UI and 32-bit support. USB pushed the upgrade to
w98. RAM-crunching games and applications drove the move to XP.

But what is driving the move to Vista? As far as I can tell, there's
nothing in it for users except a jazzed up interface and the bragging
rights that go with having the latest technology. That's not much of a
draw for the mass market, or for businesses.

Charlie
 
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