Since the declare of MS making udpates every day now WD has started to make checkpoints again

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Robin

The first one this week- WD made a checkpoint
The second one- WD made 2 checkpoints.

My check points had stopped but now with the daily updates windows defender
is back to making checkpoints.

Anyone else seeing this? This is happening on all 3 computers.
robin
 
also since they are updating almost daily I am also seeing Software
distrobution Service 2.0 now making a checkpoint too. Does that mean we are
going to fill up with SDS's every day? that is just as bad as checkpoints.
robin
 
and I just checked in WD. After the last update it put "BACK" the checkmark
in "softwre that has not yet been classified for risks".

I only had the second option checked.
It did this on all 3 computers too.---huh?

Don't you think someone from Microsoft should tell us the updates they are
doing so we can monitor any changes?

You all better check your WD to see if it made changes too and also check
System Restore.
robin
 
Robin,
Please read my posts for the past few days.
This has been my point!!!

If Defender is updated thru Windows/Microsoft Updates a SRP is created. I'm
sure there is nothing we can do about this. It's the way these 2 services
work. This is why you get an SRP every Patch Tuesday. This is by design and
makes sense since Windows/Microsoft Updates are often making Major Changes to
your system and a Restore Point is important if something goes wrong.

My Problem is that if you update Defender using the Defender interface,
instead of automatic updates, it does the SAME THING. The only thing it is
updating is Defender itself, and most of the time with only a signature
update. An SRP is not needed for so minor a change. We should have the
option of updating THRU Defender with the "trigger" for SRPs turn off.

As it is you are going to get at least one SRP EVERY SINGLE DAY for the next
14 Days (usually called "Software Distribution Service..." the name used by
W/M Updates for when they "trigger" an SRP) IN ADDITION to any others that WD
might choose to trigger on its own.

This is why I now use the "Links" provided in this forum to update. They DO
NOT TRIGGER System Restore Points. Ergo, it is Not the update itself that
is triggering the SRPs it is the "Download Mechanism". Since we can't do
anything about W/M UPDATES they need to Remove the "trigger" from Defender so
if we choose to update from Defender itself we can do so without the SRP
problem.

Ill conceived, poorly planned, horribly executed !!

?:-(
Tim
 
Tim said:
Robin,
Please read my posts for the past few days.
This has been my point!!!

If Defender is updated thru Windows/Microsoft Updates a SRP is
created. I'm sure there is nothing we can do about this. It's the
way these 2 services work. This is why you get an SRP every Patch
Tuesday. This is by design and makes sense since Windows/Microsoft
Updates are often making Major Changes to your system and a Restore
Point is important if something goes wrong.

My Problem is that if you update Defender using the Defender
interface, instead of automatic updates, it does the SAME THING. The
only thing it is updating is Defender itself, and most of the time
with only a signature update. An SRP is not needed for so minor a
change. We should have the option of updating THRU Defender with the
"trigger" for SRPs turn off.

As it is you are going to get at least one SRP EVERY SINGLE DAY for
the next 14 Days (usually called "Software Distribution Service..."
the name used by W/M Updates for when they "trigger" an SRP) IN
ADDITION to any others that WD might choose to trigger on its own.

This is why I now use the "Links" provided in this forum to update.
They DO NOT TRIGGER System Restore Points. Ergo, it is Not the
update itself that is triggering the SRPs it is the "Download
Mechanism". Since we can't do anything about W/M UPDATES they need
to Remove the "trigger" from Defender so if we choose to update from
Defender itself we can do so without the SRP problem.

Ill conceived, poorly planned, horribly executed !!

?:-(
Tim
Click to expand...

I don't think it's all that bad, because with the software distribution
checkpoint appearing daily, there are no system checkpoints, which otherwise
would generally appear daily (unless you never leave your system idle, but I
do leave the PC to eat, for example:-)). One replaces the other.

With the registry edit I do not get any WD checkpoints, also not after the
latest update (1.14.1642.8)
None of my settings in WD were changed by the latest update.
 
Jean,
Actually, I do never leave my system idle. If I'm going to leave the system
unattended for more than 15 min I just run a full system scan using AdAware,
or SpyBot, or McAfee. It's a great use of that spare time. If it's going to
be much more than that I just Hibernate or shut down. I generally make an
SRP about every 3 days, at which time I have done a full System Scan, checked
for all updates, emptied all temp files and done a Defragmentation.

I have room for about 21 SRPs and like them to last at least thru Patch
Tuesday to Patch Tuesday.

?:-/
Tim
 
Tim Clark said:
Robin,
Please read my posts for the past few days.
This has been my point!!!
Click to expand...

Indeed it was, Tim.

Well, for what it's worth (although so many variables are now being changed
so fast that it's impossible for me to figure out the significance of the
outcomes), with the new daily update system I'm still not getting Defender
checkpoints; no changes were made to my box-ticking choices (both boxes still
ticked); and I am just getting a single software distribution service
checkpoint every update. So all is well here, apart from my own personal
blown fuses.

[For the record, though I increasingly doubt the value of my attempts to
observe what's happening in a controlled way, I have automatic updates set to
notify only; I then (at a convenient moment) click the little shield to
download it; and then again to install it - so that I can watch every stage
of the process.]
 
how come when other programs like ewido do a daily update you do not get a
Ckpoint? I know WD is a service and not considered an application but then
again why would it need to do so many chkpoints anyway. Why can't it be a
service and act a little bit like an application in this regard.
robin
 
I just did the update inside WD and it did a Software distribution update
and another checkpoint with it.
If Microsoft keeps doing these every day I will use up all my restore
points. It has not made a system restore point yet today and it is 6pm
here.
and what happens when MS does a regular update besides defender. I normally
do my updates one at a time to make sure all is well before i do them. Geeze
i will wind up with Software Distribution ckpoints all over the place. THIS
IS NOT GOOD.
Go back to once or twice a week instead of every day, please!
robin
 
Robin said:
If Microsoft keeps doing these every day I will use up all my restore
points.
Click to expand...

I think I'm correct in saying (please correct me if I'm wrong) that restore
points are lost after 3 months anyway. So sooner or later we're all going to
reach points where we can't restore to pre-defender states. As time goes on,
and nothing really dreadful has happened, I feel more at ease with that than
I did at first.

Incidentally, for the purposes of this experiment, I increased my system
restore space to maximum (a colossal 12% of hard drive space) in order to
give me maximum recovery options, should I need them. Don't know what yours
is set on, Robin?
 
we should not have to increase our system restore usage for WD. It should
stop making ck points- period.
It seems it is only making the chk points for me when there is an update.
robin
 
robin said:
we should not have to increase our system restore usage for WD. It should
stop making ck points- period.
Click to expand...

Ah well, you know I agree with you on that. But since at present it still IS
making too many checkpoints, temporarily increasing System Restore space is
the simplest practical method I could think of to alleviate the problem.
 
the bar in system restore on all 3 computers beta testing WD are set to
maxium 12% now- I never changed it in the past. this must be the default
setting
robin
 
Is it possible to identify where the checkpoints are on the drive, and which
checkpoints reflect which dates? If so, could one move or copy an important
checkpoint from that file to a 'back-up' file, and then (perhaps much) later
go back to it and restore to that checkpoint?. For example, before one
installed WD, could one identify the most recent checkpoint and copy it
somewhere else, such that even if WD made so many checkpoints over time that
the original in question was now gone, this remote (i.e. perhaps several
months old) 'back-up' checkpoint would still be somewhere and accessible if
needed?

Possible?

"Robin" wrote
 
I've had that same thought, tobe... but personally I'm not concerned with
the number of checkpoints since I have a very large harddrive, and the
restore area size is set to only 1%. One of those people concerned with
this problem (hello Robin, Alan) might test it and let us know if it's
possible... here's where you'd start I would think:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309531
 
I have found the answer ("No") here:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/plan/faqsrwxp.mspx

"Q. Can I make System Restore permanently retain a restore point?
"A. System Restore is change base tracking tool, not an imaging or
backup tool. Each restore point only stores changes to the system since the
creation of the previous restore point to minimize space usage and improve
performance, and all restore points are associated. Therefore, restoring the
computer from the current state to a previous state requires the
availability of all restore points. For example, if a user wants to restore
the computer from point D to point A, System Restore will evaluate the
system change logs for points C, B, and

"If a restore point is permanent, space usage for storing the complete
chain of restore points since the creation of the permanent restore point
would become very large and impractical. System Restore also provides a
space management feature to purge old restore points to make room for new
ones, creating a rolling safety net. Restore points over 90 days are purged
automatically by default."
 
Dave M said:
I've had that same thought, tobe... but personally I'm not concerned with
the number of checkpoints since I have a very large harddrive, and the
restore area size is set to only 1%. One of those people concerned with
this problem (hello Robin, Alan) might test it and let us know if it's
possible...
Click to expand...

I'm delighted to discover that I already knew that this couldn't be done,
because the checkpoints aren't independent of each other. Nice to know my
ignorance factor isn't bumping along the bottom ALL the time..........

My present (temporary) solution to the problem of multiple checkpoints is to
(a) tick the two options boxes about notifications; and (b) increase the
proportion of hard drive devoted to system restore to the maximum of 12%.
That was doing a nice job until the daily update checkpoint-generating
monster was born.
 
Alan D said:
I'm delighted to discover that I already knew that this couldn't be done,
because the checkpoints aren't independent of each other. Nice to know my
ignorance factor isn't bumping along the bottom ALL the time..........
Click to expand...

Now I come to think of it, it was almost certainly some member of this
newsgroup that told me about it, so thank you, whoever you were. (Still, at
least I must have been paying attention.)
 
and i tried that- did not work
I unchecked the top box- did not work
I went in every direction- did not work
as said all was fine till the daily's started to occur
robin
 
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