Simply share C; on my LAN

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Garry Grolman

Such mundane tasks and I find myself going round and round and round.
I have a small Microsoft Network, (ISDN Modem and Router hub), and I have my
new RC1 Vista installation. I can see my other XP computer from the Vista
and even go into its folders BUT, I cannot copy. delete etc from the Vista
to the XP computer. From the XP computer, I can see the Vista computer BUT
NOT get into any of it.

On the Vista machine, when I bring up my Local Disk C: Properties window,
the SHARE button is greyed out.

How can I enable this greyed out button?????? I have searched and searched
and searched and only been shown useless information which has no relation
to my problem.

I feel that Microsoft is missing out on something here. LANs in private
dwellings are common place now and there should be a whole set of screens
which are devoid of any reference to Internet so that the 'silly' user can
understand what he is doing and have reference only to the things that there
is a good chance that he will know when he is trying to setup his LAN.

On a home network, the fact is that the users will probably want to give
100% access to all the computers on the network. I see no screen or set of
screens to do this. Somehow, I feel that the screens provided have been
built by networking people and have not passed the most basic Human
Engineering tests to see how they are understood by the 'silly' user.
 
Well. after messing around for a long time and getting ever more confused
and bewildered, Vista suddenly allowed me to copy files backward and
foreward from the XP computer BUT, if on the XP machind I try to 'C Vista'
which is the sharename, I get a huge 'bummmmmf' from the speakers and I
assume this means that I cannot access the Vista machine from the XP
Machine.

Much clearer help material is needed to setup a LAN at home. Surely this is
not asking too much from Microsoft.

Perhaps even allowing me to define on the Vista machine which computers in
my workgroup I will allow which standard of Access.

A screen, on the Vista machine which will allow me to select a computer on
the WorkGroup and where I can assign it priviliges on the Vista Machine.

If such a screen exists, I havent found it or any directions to it from the
Help file.

Just screens that send me round and round and round and round and raise my
blood pressure.

Garry
 
Well, I updated to RC2 yesterday evening and am back to square one.

I would have thought by the number of posts relating to sharing problems on
a home network that there would have been some response from the Microsoft
Vista Team.

Mums the word.

Suffer in silence and don't rock the boat.

What a fiasco.

Garry
 
Advanced sharing button in the box below will enable the root of the drive
to be shared, ie the entire C drive. You need to set permissions too via the
permissions button.
 
Hello,

Users store data inside their user profile folder, which is what sharing is
geared towards. Sharing an entire drive is unnecesarry for normal users and
is actually a very bad idea, especially if there is an installation of
windows residing on that drive.

Permissions to access files (whether over the network or locally) is based
on users, not computers. When you access windows vista from the network, you
have the same access to the files inside of the share as you would if you
were logged in on the vista machine itself trying to access the files.

If you have turned OFF password-protected sharing, everyone connecting to
your Vista computer will be logged in as a guest, which means they won't
have access to much.

Also, Windows Vista does not allow you to use "administrator" power over the
network by default - so, if you are trying to access a file over the network
that is only accessible by administrators, you will get access denied even
if you are accessing that file via an administrator login.

I bet that last one is the problem you are experiencing, assuming you have
password-protected sharing turned on.

Try enabling "administrator" powers over the network:

- Open the registry editor
- Browse to:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\system\
- Create a new DWORD value named LocalAccountTokenFilterPolicy
- Set the value equal to 1
- Restart your computer
 
Wot box below????


Iz my computer - Vista not showing me something????

Garry, not Harry
Batteries are included and Charging
 
Properties for your C drive > Sharing tab > Network File and Folder
Sharing.....the box below that = "Advanced Sharing". Check 'Share this
folder' and lo and behold you can then share your entire C drive. There is
a permissions button. You will need to set permissions for 'Everyone' to
Full Control, Change and Read.

Your batteries must have been on vacation ;)
 
Dear Jane,

Thank you for your reply.

The parameter windows have already been arranged as you suggested but the
drive is still not accessable from my XP computer.

I have looked into all the ways of adjusting including closing my Windows
Defender Frewall on the Vista machine, restarting and trying to access it
from my XP machinefor a brief instant to see if it helped even though it
seems that I have the correct parameters checked or unchecked.

I notice from posts that I am not alone in having problems networking
although other people are having problems networking specific to printers.

I forgot to mention that when I am 'Vista', I can copy files from my XP
machine. However, I cannot copy to the XP machine. If I am 'XP', I can see
the drive C: of the Vista machine but have no access to it or its folders.

I a using RC2 upgraded from RC1 upgraded from Beta 2

Garry
 
Dear Jane,

When playing with the problem I notices that when 'Vista' and I was looking
at XP, I notices that everything was Read Only. Where this little monkey
came from I have no Idea

And. When I tried the alter this from Vista, IT LET ME!!!!!!!

From Vista!!!!!!!!!

I am absolutely astonished.

However, I can now copy from my XP machine and copy back to my XP machine so
the pressure is off.

But, the Vista machine is not accessable from my XP machine in any way.

Du you think that praying might help?????

To Microsoft - I mean?????

Garry
 
Dear Jimmy,

Your solution didnt appear to werk at first.

I woz dissappointed as I woz a bit worried about manipulating the registry
data manually and anyway, it still would'nt let me copy from Vista to the
XP. Then I noticed that the error message that I woz getting woz as if the
target directory woz 'Read only'.

I am flabbergasted to tell you that this was the case AND THEN I woz able to
cancel the 'Read only' from my Vista to my XP.

The result iz that I can now copy back from my Vista to my XP machine.

I woz shoched that the XP allowed me to remove the 'Read Only' from the
Vista machine. Then I remembered the registry entry that you suggested that
I do to get some change. So it did werk.

Thank you for the solution although I feel that there must be a more User
Freindly solution somewhere unless the service screens that Microsoft
displays to us to adjust parameters simply do not adjust the correct
parameters.

Forgive me for asking but Hoo are U?????

Who supports your site and is it free of any unwanted things that I may not
want on my XP machine????

I apologise if this seems direct but very little is actually FREE on the
Internet these days.

However, thank you for your assistance

Garry
 
Thank you for the solution although I feel that there must be a more User
Freindly solution somewhere unless the service screens that Microsoft
displays to us to adjust parameters simply do not adjust the correct
parameters.
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Well, the screens MS gives do work, but sometimes they get overridden by
other settings. For example, when you are accessing from the network data
(or options) that is restricted to only administrators. In this case, Vista
will tell you access denied, even if you are logged in with someone who has
access.

I think that Microsoft's intention here is to prevent worms and malware from
spreading automagically by finding weak admin passwords and then changing
files and settings on your computer over the network without your knowledge.
However, they REALLY, REALLY should have changed the networking control
panel to make it painfully clear that this is how things worked, and give
you the option to change this behavior. Unfortunately, they didn't, except
for providing that registry key.
Forgive me for asking but Hoo are U?????
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I'm one of the "technical" beta testers for Windows Vista.
Who supports your site and is it free of any unwanted things that I may
not want on my XP machine????
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I support the site with a little help from google ads. There is no no
malware or unwanted content there (unless you don't like the ads).
Obviously, I can't vouch for any site outside of the jimmah.com domain. I
have marked the links that take you outside of the site as an external link,
and the ads of course take you away from my site.
I apologise if this seems direct but very little is actually FREE on the
Internet these days.
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My site is supported by google ads - I will never use questionable means to
pay for my site.
However, thank you for your assistance
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You're welcome. Glad you got it to work. :)
 
Jimmy Hi,

Thank you for your explanations.

Is there a problem for Microsoft to show all the Visible computers on a
Home/Private/LAN or whatever and allow the user to define the kind of
permissions each user, (as represented by a computer), and even
Computer/User combination from the other members has on the workgroup to
access his computer?????

Should not the wizard be able to say:

Your firewall is blocking access to the LAN - with a link to the firewall
or
A firewall on the target computer is blocking access
or
The folder on the target computer is write protected from your computer
or
You do not have permissions from the target computer to update files.
or
To complete this action you have to {Do something to the firewall settings},
{Allow shares on the target computer} etc etc

What I am getting at is the kind of answers that a person who is not a
network administrator could understand. A little bit of Human Engineering,
dare I mention the expression.

Look at the number of people with problems similar to mine on this
newsgroup.

As a last point, I still cannot access the Vista computer from my XP sp2
production computer only being able to see the C: disk with its share name.
All the permissions for that share name on the Vista machine are 'Everyone -
full access'. But, every time I try to get past the Share disk name, I get a
Bummmmmp from my speakers with no message. Any ideas????

Garry
 
Is there a problem for Microsoft to show all the Visible computers on a
Home/Private/LAN or whatever and allow the user to define the kind of
permissions each user, (as represented by a computer), and even
Computer/User combination from the other members has on the workgroup to
access his computer?????
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You define the permissions to access a folder/file based on the accounts on
the LOCAL computer - it is not currently possible to assign who can access a
folder based on what computer/remote account is accessing it, unless you
create a domain. For example, you have a Vista computer that has an
administrator named Joe as the only user; when you access the Vista computer
from the network, you login as Joe, and you are only able to access the
files that Joe has access to. Except for the prohibition of Admin access; if
Joe is accessing a file that he doesn't SPECIFICALLY have access to, but
DOES as an "administrator", he will be unable to access the file over the
network unless you have modified the registry as I have posted earlier.
Should not the wizard be able to say:

Your firewall is blocking access to the LAN - with a link to the firewall
or
A firewall on the target computer is blocking access
or
The folder on the target computer is write protected from your computer
or
You do not have permissions from the target computer to update files.
or
To complete this action you have to {Do something to the firewall
settings}, {Allow shares on the target computer} etc etc
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Unfortunately, Windows Vista is unable to show custom error message to
network clients; this is a design flaw (I suppose) in the file sharing
system - Windows Vista is only able to tell Windows XP that access is
denied, and is unable to say why. I am not saying this is the "correct"
behavior, only that Microsoft can't do anything about this at this point
because they can't change the way they programmed the older operating
systems.
What I am getting at is the kind of answers that a person who is not a
network administrator could understand. A little bit of Human Engineering,
dare I mention the expression.
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I agree 100%, but unfortunately Microsoft can't change their past mistakes.
Look at the number of people with problems similar to mine on this
newsgroup.
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Agreed - Microsoft has focused their efforts on the "average user", and has
sort of left the more technical user that is used to Windows XP and earlier
out to dry.
As a last point, I still cannot access the Vista computer from my XP sp2
production computer only being able to see the C: disk with its share
name. All the permissions for that share name on the Vista machine are
'Everyone - full access'. But, every time I try to get past the Share disk
name, I get a Bummmmmp from my speakers with no message. Any ideas????
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You will probably need to take Ownership of that drive and assign permission
to administrators/specific users to have full access to it.
 
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