Silencing My P2B

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Geoff

I gave it the ol'college try but failed, I think. I have a p2b-ds with 2
seagate, 10,000 rpm cheetahs. They are noisy as hell, so, I bought sound
deadening material to put on the inside of my pc case and I bought thin
strips of rubberized material to go between the drive and the drive bay.
The thin strips of rubber did not fit, it is pretty tight in there and the
sound deadening material worked a little but the air vents have to stay
open, so the sound ultimately gets out.

-g
 
Geoff said:
I gave it the ol'college try but failed, I think. I have a p2b-ds with 2
seagate, 10,000 rpm cheetahs. They are noisy as hell, so, I bought sound
deadening material to put on the inside of my pc case and I bought thin
strips of rubberized material to go between the drive and the drive bay.
The thin strips of rubber did not fit, it is pretty tight in there and the
sound deadening material worked a little but the air vents have to stay
open, so the sound ultimately gets out.

The best solution is to replace your drives. Oddly enough,
Seagate's X15's are much, MUCH quieter than their 10K
drives. I went through four 10K Cheetahs before the
whining drove me and my family nuts.
 
"Geoff" said:
I gave it the ol'college try but failed, I think. I have a p2b-ds with 2
seagate, 10,000 rpm cheetahs. They are noisy as hell, so, I bought sound
deadening material to put on the inside of my pc case and I bought thin
strips of rubberized material to go between the drive and the drive bay.
The thin strips of rubber did not fit, it is pretty tight in there and the
sound deadening material worked a little but the air vents have to stay
open, so the sound ultimately gets out.

-g

Here is an idea for you. (A ridiculous idea, but still an
idea. You can skip this part if you want.)

******
Start with an external enclosure. Seal the enclosure completely.
Equip the enclosure with a Peltier cooler, which has a hot side
and a cool side, and draws mondo amps of current. Get a
thermostatic control for the Peltier, that regulates the current
flow, and only sends enough current to the Peltier, for it to cool
to the temperature you set.

Inside the enclosure, arrange a fan to blow air over the heatsink
connected to the Peltier. The Peltier is your source of cooling
inside the sealed enclosure. The temperature you regulate the inside
of the enclosure, has to take the dew point of the air into account,
to prevent any possibility of condensation. To help in this
regard, place a large bag of dessicant (silica gel) in the bottom
of the enclosure. As long as the seal in the enclosure prevents
moisture from the outside entering the enclosure, you will have
very good control over the dew point. There are dessicants with
better characteristics than silica gel, but they would likely be
more expensive. A dessicant with a color indicator could be used
to tell whether the dessicant is used up, and some dessicants
can be recycled by baking at low temperature in an oven. (I've
used dessicants that are recycled by heating to 500C, but you
don't want to mess with that. I have a funny story, but some
other time... :-)

You will also need a fan on the outside of the enclosure, blowing
air over the hot side of the Peltier plus heatsink. That will be
the noisiest part of the solution, so find a large heatsink and
a slow speed fan, to give a quiet cooling solution. While you
could opt for a passive heatsink only on the hot side of the Peltier,
the heat sink area would have to be sufficient to cool the large
number of watts pumped out by the Peltier. Peltier coolers
are notoriously inefficient, to you'll get a whole computer's
worth of heat, to cool a drive or two.

The way this would work, is when the enclosure is first powered,
the Peltier will run 100%, and the Peltier will get very cold
(but one would hope, not frosty, due to the dried air in the
enclosure). As the internal fan runs in the enclosure, eventually
everything in the inside of the case will reach dynamic
equilibrium, and the current draw by the Peltier will be
greatly reduced by the Peltier controller. (Typically, you would
set the regulator, to make the air temp inside the enclosure
_equal_ to room temp. If the outside air is 22C, set the
controller to maintain 22C inside the enclosure. The Peltier
shouldn't need a lot of current to maintain equilibrium then.
Just the heat flux from the drives.)

An introduction to Peltiers:
http://www.dansdata.com/pelt.htm

Your disk drive might be putting out 15 to 20 watts of heat, and
steady state, that is the heat that the Peltier has to transfer
to the outside of the enclosure. Any other heat dissipating devices
added to the enclosure will increase the heat load the Peltier has
to pump (so, no, the Peltier power supply does _not_ go inside
the enclosure).

Here is an example of a linear controller, suitable for use
with a quite large Peltier. A controller like this could be
run from a separate ATX power supply, if the power supply has
enough amps at +12V. (The amps needed are dictated by the
Peltier, so if the Peltier uses 8 amps, then that is closer
to the value that will be coming from the ATX power supply. The
ampere rating of the controller, tells you the maximum sized
Peltier you could use.)

http://www.techcool.com/vpc/photo.htm#225

For passing electrical signals through the enclosure, you
might consider a SCSI ribbon cable, which may be easier to
deal with than trying to cook up an airtight bulkhead connector.
*******

A much more practical idea, is buy a SCSI drive with known
good acoustics. Select "Idle Noise" from the pulldown menu here,
to see a list of drives and how loud they are. There are some
SCSI drives that are quieter than the 7200.7 Seagate IDE
drive I've got (and it is pretty good). One of the reasons
there are so many cut-rate SCSI drives for sale, is they are
all LOUD. Many of those drives sit in dumpsters, until someone
Ebays them.

http://www.storagereview.com/comparison.html

The cost and complexity of quieting down cheap SCSI drives
far outweighs the savings from buying the cheap drives. Maybe
some nice IDE drives would work better.

HTH,
Paul
 
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:12:13 -0400, Paul wrote
(I've used dessicants that are recycled by heating to 500C <snip>.
I have a funny story, but some other time... :-)

Really? How about now? Inquiring minds want to know.

-- Kalani Kekoa
 
My P2B-DS lives in the laundry, runs windows 2003 server, exchange, ISA, web
sites 24 x 7. Last fail was when the power went off to the suburb after
about 6000 hours up time. Oh and its so reliable it does not have a mouse,
kb, or monitor - remote admin.

Getting a fast modern SATA drive is not as bad as it sounds. My system has a
V1 (?) Barracuda - and you think the cheetahs are noisy?
 
Geoff said:
I gave it the ol'college try but failed, I think. I have a p2b-ds with 2
seagate, 10,000 rpm cheetahs. They are noisy as hell, so, I bought sound
deadening material to put on the inside of my pc case and I bought thin
strips of rubberized material to go between the drive and the drive bay.
The thin strips of rubber did not fit, it is pretty tight in there and the
sound deadening material worked a little but the air vents have to stay
open, so the sound ultimately gets out.

Replace those drives with modern ones - even 15k drives can be fairly
quiet in idle these days (though accesses still are a lot louder than
with 10k and IDE stuff simply due to the required seek times). If you
want to stay with Seagate, give the Cheetah 10K.7 a try - not a speed
demon (be sure to set caching parameters according to use) but very
quiet for a drive like that. Otherwise an Atlas 10k V may also be worth
a try. If you find new SCSI stuff to be a tad on the expensive side, try
a SATA config with a 74 gig Raptor (very speedy in desktop use, though
only average in server applications).

Stephan
 
Replace those drives with modern ones - even 15k drives can be fairly
quiet in idle these days

I built my system in 1998, lol. P2B-DS, 2-600mhz PIII's, 1 gig RAM, Win 2K,
2 seagate cheetahs (10 gig), and one large, cheap, IDE drive. It does what
I need it to do since I am not a hardcore gamer.

However, when I upgrade, I mean when I am spending some bucks, I will
upgrade the whole motherboard, OS, etc. I am holding out until next year to
see what is offered since everything will change then.

Seven years out of a system is not bad tho. I remember in 1995, my brother
bought a Gateway Pentium in December. It was the fastest pc on the planet
at the time. By the summer of next year, it was the slowest. I do not
think you could have given it away, lol.

The cheapest route to go is to go to one of the shopping clubs (aber ich
weiss nicht ob deutschland ein 'shopping club' hab) and buy a pc for $300
then throw it away when it is too slow but I like to know what is in my pc
and I like building my own.

My form factor is ATX but I wish someone had a MB that had sound, network,
ide, scsi, and video on it.

-g
 
Geoff said:
I built my system in 1998, lol. P2B-DS, 2-600mhz PIII's, 1 gig RAM, Win 2K,
2 seagate cheetahs (10 gig),

Which generation? If these are as old as the processors, they must be
pretty noisy. You'd be amazed at how quiet even a Cheetah 36ES is in
comparison. (I guess the 10K.7 is quieter still, but the 36ES held the
record for the quietest 10k SCSI drive for quite some time.)
and one large, cheap, IDE drive. It does what
I need it to do since I am not a hardcore gamer.

However, when I upgrade, I mean when I am spending some bucks, I will
upgrade the whole motherboard, OS, etc. I am holding out until next year to
see what is offered since everything will change then.

In the meantime, you might want to try a Cheetah 36ES anyway, they're
quite inexpensive now and your ears will thank you ;).
My form factor is ATX but I wish someone had a MB that had sound, network,
ide, scsi, and video on it.

Problem is that usually the output(/input) quality of onboard sound and
video is "teh suck". Onboard SCSI has become uncommon except for server
/ workstation class boards, but these usually are no allrounders like
the old P2B-D(S) was. Besides, stuff like a Dual Xeon tends to be pretty
noisy due to the amount of heat that has to be shoveled out.

Stephan
 
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