Shot myself in the foot with Windows Mail / RC2

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Here is what I did
0) Started with an RC1 working Windows Mail.
1) Completely copied my old c:\user\Fred\*.* folder to d:\Fred
2) Installed Downloaded / Checked SHA1 / Built CD-ROM and Installed From CD
(That's another story!-(((
4) Fired up windows mail, canceled the initialization wizzard, and pointed
the store folder to D:\Fred\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail i.e. the
copy of the RC1 folder on the d drive. (This is confirmed by regedit.)
5) Exited Windows Mail per directions (restarted the box even) and now I get
the following three messages at Windows Mail start up - after a lot of
waiting:
[Window Title]
WinMail.exe

[Content]
Windows Mail could not be started. The application was unable to open the
Windows Mail message store. Your Windows Mail mailbox data is currently being
used by another program, such as a virus scanner. Close the program or wait
for it to complete its operation, then open Windows Mail again. (0x800C0155,
2)
-----------------------------------------------------
Windows Mail
---------------------------
Windows Mail could not be started because MSOE.DLL could not be initialized.

---------------------------
Windows Mail
---------------------------
Windows Mail could not be started because another instance of it is still
running on your computer. Please log off of Windows, and then restart Windows
Mail. If the problem persists, save your work, and then restart your computer.

--------------------------- SIDE BAR FOR VISTA DEVELOPERS LURKING
-----------
HEY I'M IMPRESSED. I just did a Ctrl+C on each message and the pasted them
here. I sure hope that most of Vista works that way. Very nice indeed. (Not
quite the way I design my message boxes to work, but still very nice indeed.

Would that we had this with say windows 3.1:-)))
--------------------------- End of side bar
-----------------------------------------------

Note the third message is a red haring and if it persists into production
likely to be very annoying to support personnel. I haven't gotten around to
installing my AV software yet.

OK So I shot myself in the foot.

Suggestions Please?????

OK I did the obvious and patched the relevant location in the registry and
got my windows mail back. BUT I still would like to know what i could have
done to preserve my settings etc across the rebuild.

---------------------------- Note to windows mail developers lurking
-----------------

No piece of software should through a legit user command break itself so
completely so that it can't be restarted so that the user can undo the damage
/ get help on what to do next / etc. If a user restarts my software with the
shift key held down or "reset" on the cli, then it resets itself. I suppose I
could try reinstalling but that solution is NOT cool any more. Not when Vista
goes in so smoothly. Well not this time, but as I said above that is another
story:-
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
Regards,
Al Christoph
Senior Consultant
Three Bears Software, LLC
just right software @ just right prices @ 3bears.biz
Microsoft Certified Partner (ISV)
Coming soon: Windows Mail for Vista.
 
Buenas tardes: *Al Christoph* escribió:
Here is what I did
0) Started with an RC1 working Windows Mail.
1) Completely copied my old c:\user\Fred\*.* folder to d:\Fred
2) Installed Downloaded / Checked SHA1 / Built CD-ROM and Installed From CD
(That's another story!-(((
4) Fired up windows mail, canceled the initialization wizzard, and pointed
the store folder to D:\Fred\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail i.e. the
copy of the RC1 folder on the d drive. (This is confirmed by regedit.)
5) Exited Windows Mail per directions (restarted the box even) and now I get
the following three messages at Windows Mail start up - after a lot of
waiting:
[Window Title]
WinMail.exe

[Content]
Windows Mail could not be started. The application was unable to open the
Windows Mail message store.
Click to expand...

And so on ...

It is an issue not directly with Windows Mail, but with Vista itself
and how it manages access control on folders from other systems. Had
the very same experience like you, but when you copy your saved message
store to the Vista drive before changing location in Windows Mail, then
it should work (did for me, at least).
---------------------------- Note to windows mail developers lurking
No piece of software should through a legit user command break itself so
completely so that it can't be restarted so that the user can undo the damage
/ get help on what to do next / etc. If a user restarts my software with the
shift key held down or "reset" on the cli, then it resets itself. I suppose I
could try reinstalling but that solution is NOT cool any more.
Click to expand...

Amen! And a good idea with the shift key! :-)

Saludos
Roland
 
Thanks for the prompt response.

I hear you saying that even though both the C and D drives are on the same
box, I needed to copy them from the D drive to the drive containing Vista -
the C drive????

Let me suggest another possibility. Say Sam is the log on user.
Sam on RC1 copies his mail folders to D:
Sam installs RC2 as a complete install (the only option available when I
tried it.)
Sam again enters Sam as the admin user name.

The problem is that the Sam's are differentl. RC1 Sam <> RC2 Sam. The
probably have different SID's (Security ID's in the registry, that make them
unique.)

Therefore the files on the D: drive belong to RC1 Sam while the new system
is logging on RC2 Sam. Let me hypothesize two things:
1) If I had changed ownership of the files on the D: drive to RC2 Sam there
would not have been a problem.

2) When you copied your files to the "Vista" drive their ownership was
updated to reflect your new user id. Does this make sense?????

I ran into this problem while playing with some other files on my D: drive.
Even though Sam is an administrator, the system invoked UAC everytime I tried
to delete one of the files. Not nice but that's what UAC is all about. Things
were happy once I dug in and changed the ownership to RC2 Sam.

--
Regards,
Al Christoph
Senior Consultant
Three Bears Software, LLC
just right software @ just right prices @ 3bears.biz
Microsoft Certified Partner (ISV)
Coming soon: Windows Mail for Vista.



Roland Bierlein said:
Buenas tardes: *Al Christoph* escribió:
Here is what I did
0) Started with an RC1 working Windows Mail.
1) Completely copied my old c:\user\Fred\*.* folder to d:\Fred
2) Installed Downloaded / Checked SHA1 / Built CD-ROM and Installed From CD
(That's another story!-(((
4) Fired up windows mail, canceled the initialization wizzard, and pointed
the store folder to D:\Fred\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail i.e. the
copy of the RC1 folder on the d drive. (This is confirmed by regedit.)
5) Exited Windows Mail per directions (restarted the box even) and now I get
the following three messages at Windows Mail start up - after a lot of
waiting:
[Window Title]
WinMail.exe

[Content]
Windows Mail could not be started. The application was unable to open the
Windows Mail message store.
Click to expand...

And so on ...

It is an issue not directly with Windows Mail, but with Vista itself
and how it manages access control on folders from other systems. Had
the very same experience like you, but when you copy your saved message
store to the Vista drive before changing location in Windows Mail, then
it should work (did for me, at least).
---------------------------- Note to windows mail developers lurking
No piece of software should through a legit user command break itself so
completely so that it can't be restarted so that the user can undo the damage
/ get help on what to do next / etc. If a user restarts my software with the
shift key held down or "reset" on the cli, then it resets itself. I suppose I
could try reinstalling but that solution is NOT cool any more.
Click to expand...

Amen! And a good idea with the shift key! :-)

Saludos
Roland
--
Probleme mit OE? Hier gibt es die Lösungen: <http://oe-faq.de>!

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das Tempo zu erhöhen." (B. Breuel)
Click to expand...
 
Buenas tardes: *Al Christoph* escribió:
I hear you saying that even though both the C and D drives are on the same
box, I needed to copy them from the D drive to the drive containing Vista -
the C drive????
Click to expand...

Well, that is what I did. My backup drive contains a Windows XP system,
since the machine is dual-boot, so this _might_ have a role, too.
Let me suggest another possibility. [..]
The problem is that the Sam's are differentl. RC1 Sam <> RC2 Sam. The
probably have different SID's (Security ID's in the registry, that make them
unique.)
Click to expand...

Probably they have, yes.
Therefore the files on the D: drive belong to RC1 Sam while the new system
is logging on RC2 Sam. Let me hypothesize two things:
1) If I had changed ownership of the files on the D: drive to RC2 Sam there
would not have been a problem.

2) When you copied your files to the "Vista" drive their ownership was
updated to reflect your new user id. Does this make sense?????
Click to expand...

Makes perfect sense to me in order to explain what we were seeing. So,
not Windows Mail is to blame, but Vista, respectively the access control
system. I'm not sure whether it's a bug, though. There are points to
argue for "by design".

Saludos
Roland
 
Roland:

Thank you for the continued conversation. I'm guessing that you are not a
native English speaker. Your English is infinitely better than my long
forgotten one year of college German. Danke.

I certainly would not call what I'm seeing a bug, except to the extent that
Windows Mail provides no mechanism for recovery of my stupidity except
reinstall or regedit.

However, I would assert that admins in the past typically have had full
rights to other folk's stuff. So I need to educate myself on how Vista will
handle this.
--
Regards,
Al Christoph
Senior Consultant
Three Bears Software, LLC
just right software @ just right prices @ 3bears.biz
Microsoft Certified Partner (ISV)
Coming soon: Windows Mail for Vista.



Roland Bierlein said:
Buenas tardes: *Al Christoph* escribió:
I hear you saying that even though both the C and D drives are on the same
box, I needed to copy them from the D drive to the drive containing Vista -
the C drive????
Click to expand...

Well, that is what I did. My backup drive contains a Windows XP system,
since the machine is dual-boot, so this _might_ have a role, too.
Let me suggest another possibility. [..]
The problem is that the Sam's are differentl. RC1 Sam <> RC2 Sam. The
probably have different SID's (Security ID's in the registry, that make them
unique.)
Click to expand...

Probably they have, yes.
Therefore the files on the D: drive belong to RC1 Sam while the new system
is logging on RC2 Sam. Let me hypothesize two things:
1) If I had changed ownership of the files on the D: drive to RC2 Sam there
would not have been a problem.

2) When you copied your files to the "Vista" drive their ownership was
updated to reflect your new user id. Does this make sense?????
Click to expand...

Makes perfect sense to me in order to explain what we were seeing. So,
not Windows Mail is to blame, but Vista, respectively the access control
system. I'm not sure whether it's a bug, though. There are points to
argue for "by design".

Saludos
Roland
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Buenas tardes: *Al Christoph* escribió:
Roland:

Thank you for the continued conversation.
Click to expand...

It's my pleasure! Not too often are newsgroup posters available for
more than a few messages, thus not allowing for a thorough discussion
of issues at hand.
I'm guessing that you are not a
native English speaker. Your English is infinitely better than my long
forgotten one year of college German. Danke.
Click to expand...

Ah, but it is still that obvious? And I had way more than one year of
English in school! ;-)
I certainly would not call what I'm seeing a bug, except to the extent that
Windows Mail provides no mechanism for recovery of my stupidity except
reinstall or regedit.
Click to expand...

Windows Mail should not allow the user to put himself in a situation
where the program is no longer able to start. I definitely agree with
you on that, and that's why I still would call it a bug, even though it
is ultimately caused by the way Vista handles file access permissions.

Saludos
Roland
 
I got the same error mesages after installing additional memery (should not
be related.
messages are
[Content]
Click to expand...
Windows Mail could not be started. The application was unable to open the
Windows Mail message store. Your Windows Mail mailbox data is currently being
used by another program, such as a virus scanner. Close the program or wait
for it to complete its operation, then open Windows Mail again. (0x800C0155,
2)
-----------------------------------------------------
Windows Mail
---------------------------
Windows Mail could not be started because MSOE.DLL could not be initialized.

I have tried shutting down my virus protection and restarting computer but
nothing but get same errors.
Help
Click to expand...

Mike in texas

Al Christoph said:
Here is what I did
0) Started with an RC1 working Windows Mail.
1) Completely copied my old c:\user\Fred\*.* folder to d:\Fred
2) Installed Downloaded / Checked SHA1 / Built CD-ROM and Installed From CD
(That's another story!-(((
4) Fired up windows mail, canceled the initialization wizzard, and pointed
the store folder to D:\Fred\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail i.e. the
copy of the RC1 folder on the d drive. (This is confirmed by regedit.)
5) Exited Windows Mail per directions (restarted the box even) and now I get
the following three messages at Windows Mail start up - after a lot of
waiting:
[Window Title]
WinMail.exe

[Content]
Windows Mail could not be started. The application was unable to open the
Windows Mail message store. Your Windows Mail mailbox data is currently being
used by another program, such as a virus scanner. Close the program or wait
for it to complete its operation, then open Windows Mail again. (0x800C0155,
2)
-----------------------------------------------------
Windows Mail
---------------------------
Windows Mail could not be started because MSOE.DLL could not be initialized.

---------------------------
Windows Mail
---------------------------
Windows Mail could not be started because another instance of it is still
running on your computer. Please log off of Windows, and then restart Windows
Mail. If the problem persists, save your work, and then restart your computer.

--------------------------- SIDE BAR FOR VISTA DEVELOPERS LURKING
-----------
HEY I'M IMPRESSED. I just did a Ctrl+C on each message and the pasted them
here. I sure hope that most of Vista works that way. Very nice indeed. (Not
quite the way I design my message boxes to work, but still very nice indeed.

Would that we had this with say windows 3.1:-)))
--------------------------- End of side bar
-----------------------------------------------

Note the third message is a red haring and if it persists into production
likely to be very annoying to support personnel. I haven't gotten around to
installing my AV software yet.

OK So I shot myself in the foot.

Suggestions Please?????

OK I did the obvious and patched the relevant location in the registry and
got my windows mail back. BUT I still would like to know what i could have
done to preserve my settings etc across the rebuild.

---------------------------- Note to windows mail developers lurking
-----------------

No piece of software should through a legit user command break itself so
completely so that it can't be restarted so that the user can undo the damage
/ get help on what to do next / etc. If a user restarts my software with the
shift key held down or "reset" on the cli, then it resets itself. I suppose I
could try reinstalling but that solution is NOT cool any more. Not when Vista
goes in so smoothly. Well not this time, but as I said above that is another
story:-(
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
Regards,
Al Christoph
Senior Consultant
Three Bears Software, LLC
just right software @ just right prices @ 3bears.biz
Microsoft Certified Partner (ISV)
Coming soon: Windows Mail for Vista.
Click to expand...
 
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