Shell fuel crisis?
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My humble.....
I may get my head bitten off here but the increase in fuel (be it tax) has given me a wry smile. As a cyclist and non driver i see all the world from a different angle from the motorist, who by enlarge are good people , but there are amongst them the idiots that would drive 50 yards to pick up a paper than walk...The obese nation that might all be slightly fitter for a small bit of exercise. What about ...
1-tax concessions for cyclists ?
2-tax concessions for companys hiring buses to collect workers
3-tax concessions for individuals to fill a family saloon with people they work with ?
the list is endless..I just think that if we all want a greener world then this is the biggest waste of all of Earths resources (aircraft fuel, ship fuel etc are all as bad) fuel
we as a family have a car ..a A-Class Mercedes but we only use it for family trips and occasional outings and as such i see my family as a responsible group..i do admit though to having had 3 foreign holidays within the last 11 months and using Aircrafts...(even though the last one flew us to Salou ,having got to Birmingham early morning from Spain with just the cabin crew
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Just my opinion but i think you (us) as motorists should take a look at yourselves ?
I may get my head bitten off here but the increase in fuel (be it tax) has given me a wry smile. As a cyclist and non driver i see all the world from a different angle from the motorist, who by enlarge are good people , but there are amongst them the idiots that would drive 50 yards to pick up a paper than walk...The obese nation that might all be slightly fitter for a small bit of exercise. What about ...
1-tax concessions for cyclists ?
2-tax concessions for companys hiring buses to collect workers
3-tax concessions for individuals to fill a family saloon with people they work with ?
the list is endless..I just think that if we all want a greener world then this is the biggest waste of all of Earths resources (aircraft fuel, ship fuel etc are all as bad) fuel
we as a family have a car ..a A-Class Mercedes but we only use it for family trips and occasional outings and as such i see my family as a responsible group..i do admit though to having had 3 foreign holidays within the last 11 months and using Aircrafts...(even though the last one flew us to Salou ,having got to Birmingham early morning from Spain with just the cabin crew
)Just my opinion but i think you (us) as motorists should take a look at yourselves ?
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Yes sireee I laugh all the way to the bank as I ride my little 250 Honda Cruiser past all the traffic cues . 80 to the gallon an she just flies along too .
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I do less that 2k PA so don`t bother me, fill my car 4 times PA
The only thing that bothers [annoys] me is the TAX involved what do they do with it, they certainly dont put it to good road maintainance as that has been proved by the excise road fund licence???
The only thing that bothers [annoys] me is the TAX involved what do they do with it, they certainly dont put it to good road maintainance as that has been proved by the excise road fund licence???
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In answer to feckits original question - no I won't be panic buying and anyone who does is stupid and only causes more problems.
Theres alot I agree with in both Rush's and itsme's posts - to get more people out of their cars the Government needs to provide suitable alternatives and improve public transport rather than taxing and penalising first and providing alternatives later. The carrot should come before the stick - perhaps by way of tax concessions on alternatives that Rush mentions, cheaper and improved public transport particularly in rural areas. You never know by just doing that it may even reduce our reliance of cars without even having to penalise - how radical is that eh?
I wouldn't have a problem if the taxes were actually used to provide alternatives, but sadly a large percentage isn't - it is used as an indirect tax to fund other things so it is 'hidden' and they don't have to raise Income Tax which is more visable.
Unfortunately for Gordon Brown his sleight of hand over the years in raising the overall tax bill for everyone has finally been spotted by the masses which is one of the reasons he is now in deep doggy doo.
Theres alot I agree with in both Rush's and itsme's posts - to get more people out of their cars the Government needs to provide suitable alternatives and improve public transport rather than taxing and penalising first and providing alternatives later. The carrot should come before the stick - perhaps by way of tax concessions on alternatives that Rush mentions, cheaper and improved public transport particularly in rural areas. You never know by just doing that it may even reduce our reliance of cars without even having to penalise - how radical is that eh?
I wouldn't have a problem if the taxes were actually used to provide alternatives, but sadly a large percentage isn't - it is used as an indirect tax to fund other things so it is 'hidden' and they don't have to raise Income Tax which is more visable.
Unfortunately for Gordon Brown his sleight of hand over the years in raising the overall tax bill for everyone has finally been spotted by the masses which is one of the reasons he is now in deep doggy doo.
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Every time I read an article like that it reminds me of L.Cpl Jones from Dad's Army shouting "don't panic!".
I entirely agree with what Ady said, especially the carrot before the stick method. They are considering bringing in a congestion charge for Manchester City centre (in the same way the London one works)... and yet the funding for the Tram system has been held off and there are no extensions to many main populated areas for quite some time (if at all). Really makes no sense, as the public transport system needs some improvement before many areas can take reasonable advantage of it. I can't even imagine what a problem it must be for someone living in a rural area with only a couple of bus services a day.
What annoys me is that the administration costs of many of these systems will be a significant proportion of the overall price. If they remained absorbed into an already established taxation system (like income tax) then the cost to the people as a whole would be much less. Like you say, it's just a hidden tax and the overall cost is going to be even greater this way.
I'd love to know what the total % of taxation for an Average Job blogs is over a year (i.e. income tax, VAT, insurance premium tax, car tax, etc...).
I entirely agree with what Ady said, especially the carrot before the stick method. They are considering bringing in a congestion charge for Manchester City centre (in the same way the London one works)... and yet the funding for the Tram system has been held off and there are no extensions to many main populated areas for quite some time (if at all). Really makes no sense, as the public transport system needs some improvement before many areas can take reasonable advantage of it. I can't even imagine what a problem it must be for someone living in a rural area with only a couple of bus services a day.
What annoys me is that the administration costs of many of these systems will be a significant proportion of the overall price. If they remained absorbed into an already established taxation system (like income tax) then the cost to the people as a whole would be much less. Like you say, it's just a hidden tax and the overall cost is going to be even greater this way.
I'd love to know what the total % of taxation for an Average Job blogs is over a year (i.e. income tax, VAT, insurance premium tax, car tax, etc...).
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I like my car 
I'm mostly Green but when some radical hippy twat tells me to use a horse & cart then I see red.
One of life's great joys is waking up with no work for a few days and deciding on the spur of the moment to drive from, say, London to Whitby and have a pint by the harbour.
That's freedom.
All these socially concious idiots just want to be killjoys, I came to loathe Ken Livingstone and adore Jeremy Clarkson.
And ya know what? After a lifetime of voting socialist, being CND and trying my damndest to be politically correct, I've come to realise it's all for nowt.
I now think Nagasaki and Hiroshima were good things (for a variety of reasons) the motor vehicle and the realisation by the working class they could afford one were two really good things and I am not going to beat myself up enjoying what I can.
I'm not denying there's issues, there are, the hole in the ozone layer is worrying, but how many motor cars would have to be laid off our highways to match 24 hours worth of flights out of Heathrow?
I don't want to get too political but I could never vote Tory, it just ain't in my blood, I come from a line of Irish immigrants who evolved into Scouser dockers with the word 'Labour' etched through me in a similar way to Brighton Rock.
But imo there is no Labour Party anymore and I shall vote for some fringe loony from now on until a party is formed that I can believe in.
Gordon Brown is toast, it didn't help that he inherited the most prestigous politician's post and was not democratically elected by the populace.
Tony Blair should have called a General Election when he stood down.
Anyway, I've probably said too much but that's how I feel
I'm mostly Green but when some radical hippy twat tells me to use a horse & cart then I see red.
One of life's great joys is waking up with no work for a few days and deciding on the spur of the moment to drive from, say, London to Whitby and have a pint by the harbour.
That's freedom.
All these socially concious idiots just want to be killjoys, I came to loathe Ken Livingstone and adore Jeremy Clarkson.
And ya know what? After a lifetime of voting socialist, being CND and trying my damndest to be politically correct, I've come to realise it's all for nowt.
I now think Nagasaki and Hiroshima were good things (for a variety of reasons) the motor vehicle and the realisation by the working class they could afford one were two really good things and I am not going to beat myself up enjoying what I can.
I'm not denying there's issues, there are, the hole in the ozone layer is worrying, but how many motor cars would have to be laid off our highways to match 24 hours worth of flights out of Heathrow?
I don't want to get too political but I could never vote Tory, it just ain't in my blood, I come from a line of Irish immigrants who evolved into Scouser dockers with the word 'Labour' etched through me in a similar way to Brighton Rock.
But imo there is no Labour Party anymore and I shall vote for some fringe loony from now on until a party is formed that I can believe in.
Gordon Brown is toast, it didn't help that he inherited the most prestigous politician's post and was not democratically elected by the populace.
Tony Blair should have called a General Election when he stood down.
Anyway, I've probably said too much but that's how I feel
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Rush said:
NO NO NO - not you at all.
Yiour stance is one to be admired, I sympathise.
All I'm saying is let's get thing's in perspective.
This whole world is driven by one thing, really - money.
Air travel companies make a fortune and we love cheap travel.
Aeroplanes do more to pollute than motor cars.
But everybody likes being in America in ten hours so it''s conveniently not an issue.
But the Green Squad love to intimidate and make us feel guilty for some reason so they persecute the Motorist. Much the same as the Goverment does.
I love classic cars, I like having a vehicle and I am sick and tired of being made to feel like a villain because of it.
Misguided greenies annoy me. Tell ya what though, if the Greens dropped their motor car persecution, I'd probably vote for them.
But no, nowt personal, I ride a push bike too, FWIW.
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Riding a bike is very good for one`s health and a cheap method of transport,but it is still a road vehicle and not to be ridden on the foot path. And if cyclists want more bylaws to enable them to ride up one way streets and use the pavements then that comes with responsibility,like tax and insurance just like other road users.
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