Shared internet with XP fails.

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Len Dolby

Per advice in previous post, I exchanged switch/router deemed to be faulty,
for new. Wired it up, fired it up - results exactly same as before, i.e.
only ONE pc can be on-line, and (if it wasn't the same one re-starting) need
to switch off the cable modem power, then re-connect, to get to the
internet.
I've been assured by both vendor and this ng that this switch/router should
give simultaneous and shared access to the internet, and best acheived via a
network..
I attempted to set up a limited network (to share just internet access, no
files/printer) via the wizard.
Did this on both pc's, same network name (can't make a floppy since 2nd pc
is laptop without floppy drive) HOWEVER wizard wanted both pc's on (which
they were) and connected to internet (which they couldn't be - see above!!)
however, both were connected to the router/switch.

Problems have now escalated. I get "Limited or no connectivity" error, and
attempting repair via the repair screen results in failure - only option is
to disconnect/reconnect cable modem, reboot the pc. Even then I get "detect
proxy settings" which fails (I have no proxy settings!) and eventually
regain connectivity via the "repair ID" screen. This is farcical.

Both PC's running XPHome, both connect via LAN cards, both work fine on the
modem as stand-alones - it's just connecting via switch/router that causes
problems. I do NOT require full network capability, just shared internet
connection. Settings are "automatic".

What am I doing wrong? HELP!!! I'm a total novice in networks, don't really
understand IP masks, subnets and such - have tried reading up, but it goes
over my head. Most articles assume a pre-existing level of knowledge that I
just don't have. Please advise, in simple terms!
Thanks in advance, Len.


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Peter, appreciate that you took the trouble to respond, but 25+ pages in on
this link, with the info window getting smaller and smaller and the adlinks
multiplying like rats on heat (despite pop-ups disabled) I gave up.
I've already bought the kit. I need practical help, please, with what I've
got, not the electronic equivalent of a WalMart. If there is an "idiot's
guide", step by step, that's what I need. I'm no idiot ( IQ actually >120,
even though I'm 60+), just an old fart seeking advice in an area where I
have no prior knowledge or expertise.

Thanks anyway, Len.
 
Your problem might be MAC addressing.Each Computer has a Machine Address which
can be read by the Cable modem and your provider might only allow you to have
one machine connected.This can be changed in the routers settings to clone the
MAC address so that the same MAC is used for both computers.
peter
 
This sounds promising, but how/where to see (or change) change this setting?
The router is not listed in Device manager (it only sees LAN card).
Documentation for the router consistes of pictorial and written text (about
100 words) instructions about plugging in cables and power, nothing else..
Have tried both OE6 and Explorer internet settings - nothing, and their Help
files contain no entry under either Mac or Mac address.
Tried EVEREST Home Edition (oft praised here as pc analysis tool) - under
Network, there 5 entries (IP/Subnet mask, Gateway, DHCP, DNS and DNS) but no
MAC (incidentally this tool only sees my LAN card, not the router nor the
cable modem).
FOUND SOMETHING! - Tried Belarc - under communications it gives my Network
card MAC address and Network IP address. OK, having found data, is this
what I need (and how to change it? NB same limitation as Everest - sees the
LAN card only, not cable modem nor router.

What do I do now, please?

Thanks for keeping in with this query - appreciated. Len
 
The router does not show up in the Device Manager because it is not a part
of your computer. It is separate from your computer. You communicate can
with the router but the computer does not control it as it does disk drives,
local printers, etc.
 
Like Colin said...both programs see the hardware and software ON your computer.
Typically you would enter the routers setup page by opening IE and typing its IP
address in the adress bar without the WWW.
as an example for my router I type http://192.168.0.1
this brings up a username/password page where the most common default seems to
be admin/password..........change it after you are inside
this brings up a setup page and various tabbed pages for different set up
options.
Using the websites that I have suggested you should be able to follow along and
adjust your settings to make the unit function with 2 computers.
I dont know the make of your router but their websites usually have more info
than their documentation.I am on my 2nd router the first was a wired Linksys and
now I am using a wireless Netgear.Both came with good but not great
documentation.

Oh......and your not that old got me beat by 4yrs
peter
 
Peter and Colin - thanks for your continued and valued help and advice.
Still something I don't understand. - when you say type in the ROUTER IP
address, which one is that? I have the network card (=LAN card?) MAC
address, and the Network IP address, but no router IP address, nor (as Colin
pointed out) no way of getting it from pc as it's an external device.. Is it
one of these two, if not, how do I get the router's IP address?

And, I guess I need to duplicate action on both pc and laptop?
Sincerely, Len (n.b. I've several different accesses to newsgroup servers -
just harmonised ID setting for all, hence now yabbadoo - Yogi Bear
throwback!)
 
Give us the name and model of your router.
my network IP is 192.168.0.0....with the routers IP being 192.168.0.1....comp #1
is 192.168.0.2 etc etc
from this you should be able to figure out your routers IP
peter
 
Check your router's manual. Most use 198.162.1.1, which is what my Linksys
router uses. You put this in your browser's address bar (where you normally
see "http://......"). You should see the router's main configuration screen
in your browser and that's where you edit settings, open and close ports,
and so on.
 
Colin
quick question.......different IP for a wired router compared to a wireless??? I
use a Netgear wireless and I can not remember what the wired IP was but I
believe it was what you posted???Or is it just because different brand??
peter
Colin Barnhorst said:
Check your router's manual. Most use 198.162.1.1, which is what my Linksys
router uses. You put this in your browser's address bar (where you normally
see "http://......"). You should see the router's main configuration screen
in your browser and that's where you edit settings, open and close ports, and
so on.
--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
peter said:
Give us the name and model of your router.
my network IP is 192.168.0.0....with the routers IP being 192.168.0.1....comp
#1 is 192.168.0.2 etc etc
from this you should be able to figure out your routers IP
peter
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There is only one IP. I should have said that my wireless router is
connected to one of my computers by an ethernet cable. Of course almost all
routers are both wired/wireless. Mine has four ethernet out and one in
(from the cable modem). I have computers on both ethernet and wireless
connections.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
peter said:
Colin
quick question.......different IP for a wired router compared to a
wireless??? I use a Netgear wireless and I can not remember what the wired
IP was but I believe it was what you posted???Or is it just because
different brand??
peter
Colin Barnhorst said:
Check your router's manual. Most use 198.162.1.1, which is what my
Linksys router uses. You put this in your browser's address bar (where
you normally see "http://......"). You should see the router's main
configuration screen in your browser and that's where you edit settings,
open and close ports, and so on.
--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
peter said:
Give us the name and model of your router.
my network IP is 192.168.0.0....with the routers IP being
192.168.0.1....comp #1 is 192.168.0.2 etc etc
from this you should be able to figure out your routers IP
peter
Peter and Colin - thanks for your continued and valued help and advice.
Still something I don't understand. - when you say type in the ROUTER
IP address, which one is that? I have the network card (=LAN card?) MAC
address, and the Network IP address, but no router IP address, nor (as
Colin pointed out) no way of getting it from pc as it's an external
device.. Is it one of these two, if not, how do I get the router's IP
address?

And, I guess I need to duplicate action on both pc and laptop?
Sincerely, Len (n.b. I've several different accesses to newsgroup
servers - just harmonised ID setting for all, hence now yabbadoo - Yogi
Bear throwback!)

Like Colin said...both programs see the hardware and software ON your
computer.
Typically you would enter the routers setup page by opening IE and
typing its IP address in the adress bar without the WWW.
as an example for my router I type http://192.168.0.1
this brings up a username/password page where the most common default
seems to be admin/password..........change it after you are inside
this brings up a setup page and various tabbed pages for different set
up options.
Using the websites that I have suggested you should be able to follow
along and adjust your settings to make the unit function with 2
computers.
I dont know the make of your router but their websites usually have
more info than their documentation.I am on my 2nd router the first was
a wired Linksys and now I am using a wireless Netgear.Both came with
good but not great documentation.

Oh......and your not that old got me beat by 4yrs
peter
This sounds promising, but how/where to see (or change) change this
setting? The router is not listed in Device manager (it only sees LAN
card). Documentation for the router consistes of pictorial and
written text (about 100 words) instructions about plugging in cables
and power, nothing else..
Have tried both OE6 and Explorer internet settings - nothing, and
their Help files contain no entry under either Mac or Mac address.
Tried EVEREST Home Edition (oft praised here as pc analysis tool) -
under Network, there 5 entries (IP/Subnet mask, Gateway, DHCP, DNS
and DNS) but no MAC (incidentally this tool only sees my LAN card,
not the router nor the cable modem).
FOUND SOMETHING! - Tried Belarc - under communications it gives my
Network card MAC address and Network IP address. OK, having found
data, is this what I need (and how to change it? NB same limitation
as Everest - sees the LAN card only, not cable modem nor router.

What do I do now, please?

Thanks for keeping in with this query - appreciated. Len

Your problem might be MAC addressing.Each Computer has a Machine
Address which can be read by the Cable modem and your provider might
only allow you to have one machine connected.This can be changed in
the routers settings to clone the MAC address so that the same MAC
is used for both computers.
peter
Peter, appreciate that you took the trouble to respond, but 25+
pages in on this link, with the info window getting smaller and
smaller and the adlinks multiplying like rats on heat (despite
pop-ups disabled) I gave up.
I've already bought the kit. I need practical help, please, with
what I've got, not the electronic equivalent of a WalMart. If
there is an "idiot's guide", step by step, that's what I need. I'm
no idiot ( IQ actually >120, even though I'm 60+), just an old fart
seeking advice in an area where I have no prior knowledge or
expertise.

Thanks anyway, Len.

take a look at this web site which goes into detail on how to set
this up.....maybe there is some setting that you missed.
http://www.homenethelp.com/connection-sharing.asp
peter
Per advice in previous post, I exchanged switch/router deemed to
be faulty, for new. Wired it up, fired it up - results exactly
same as before, i.e. only ONE pc can be on-line, and (if it
wasn't the same one re-starting) need to switch off the cable
modem power, then re-connect, to get to the internet.
I've been assured by both vendor and this ng that this
switch/router should give simultaneous and shared access to the
internet, and best acheived via a network..
I attempted to set up a limited network (to share just internet
access, no files/printer) via the wizard.
Did this on both pc's, same network name (can't make a floppy
since 2nd pc is laptop without floppy drive) HOWEVER wizard
wanted both pc's on (which they were) and connected to internet
(which they couldn't be - see above!!) however, both were
connected to the router/switch.

Problems have now escalated. I get "Limited or no connectivity"
error, and attempting repair via the repair screen results in
failure - only option is to disconnect/reconnect cable modem,
reboot the pc. Even then I get "detect proxy settings" which
fails (I have no proxy settings!) and eventually regain
connectivity via the "repair ID" screen. This is farcical.

Both PC's running XPHome, both connect via LAN cards, both work
fine on the modem as stand-alones - it's just connecting via
switch/router that causes problems. I do NOT require full network
capability, just shared internet connection. Settings are
"automatic".

What am I doing wrong? HELP!!! I'm a total novice in networks,
don't really understand IP masks, subnets and such - have tried
reading up, but it goes over my head. Most articles assume a
pre-existing level of knowledge that I just don't have. Please
advise, in simple terms!
Thanks in advance, Len.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Colin
Maybe I did not phrase my question right......I have the same type of set up as
you but a different IP address....I use a Netgear Wireless Router.
your IP 198.162.1.1
mine 192.168.0.1
any particular reason?? or just because different company??
always willing to learn something
peter

Colin Barnhorst said:
There is only one IP. I should have said that my wireless router is connected
to one of my computers by an ethernet cable. Of course almost all routers are
both wired/wireless. Mine has four ethernet out and one in (from the cable
modem). I have computers on both ethernet and wireless connections.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
peter said:
Colin
quick question.......different IP for a wired router compared to a
wireless??? I use a Netgear wireless and I can not remember what the wired IP
was but I believe it was what you posted???Or is it just because different
brand??
peter
Colin Barnhorst said:
Check your router's manual. Most use 198.162.1.1, which is what my Linksys
router uses. You put this in your browser's address bar (where you normally
see "http://......"). You should see the router's main configuration screen
in your browser and that's where you edit settings, open and close ports,
and so on.
--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
Give us the name and model of your router.
my network IP is 192.168.0.0....with the routers IP being
192.168.0.1....comp #1 is 192.168.0.2 etc etc
from this you should be able to figure out your routers IP
peter
Peter and Colin - thanks for your continued and valued help and advice.
Still something I don't understand. - when you say type in the ROUTER IP
address, which one is that? I have the network card (=LAN card?) MAC
address, and the Network IP address, but no router IP address, nor (as
Colin pointed out) no way of getting it from pc as it's an external
device.. Is it one of these two, if not, how do I get the router's IP
address?

And, I guess I need to duplicate action on both pc and laptop?
Sincerely, Len (n.b. I've several different accesses to newsgroup
servers - just harmonised ID setting for all, hence now yabbadoo - Yogi
Bear throwback!)

Like Colin said...both programs see the hardware and software ON your
computer.
Typically you would enter the routers setup page by opening IE and typing
its IP address in the adress bar without the WWW.
as an example for my router I type http://192.168.0.1
this brings up a username/password page where the most common default
seems to be admin/password..........change it after you are inside
this brings up a setup page and various tabbed pages for different set up
options.
Using the websites that I have suggested you should be able to follow
along and adjust your settings to make the unit function with 2
computers.
I dont know the make of your router but their websites usually have more
info than their documentation.I am on my 2nd router the first was a wired
Linksys and now I am using a wireless Netgear.Both came with good but not
great documentation.

Oh......and your not that old got me beat by 4yrs
peter
This sounds promising, but how/where to see (or change) change this
setting? The router is not listed in Device manager (it only sees LAN
card). Documentation for the router consistes of pictorial and written
text (about 100 words) instructions about plugging in cables and power,
nothing else..
Have tried both OE6 and Explorer internet settings - nothing, and their
Help files contain no entry under either Mac or Mac address.
Tried EVEREST Home Edition (oft praised here as pc analysis tool) -
under Network, there 5 entries (IP/Subnet mask, Gateway, DHCP, DNS and
DNS) but no MAC (incidentally this tool only sees my LAN card, not the
router nor the cable modem).
FOUND SOMETHING! - Tried Belarc - under communications it gives my
Network card MAC address and Network IP address. OK, having found data,
is this what I need (and how to change it? NB same limitation as
Everest - sees the LAN card only, not cable modem nor router.

What do I do now, please?

Thanks for keeping in with this query - appreciated. Len

Your problem might be MAC addressing.Each Computer has a Machine
Address which can be read by the Cable modem and your provider might
only allow you to have one machine connected.This can be changed in the
routers settings to clone the MAC address so that the same MAC is used
for both computers.
peter
Peter, appreciate that you took the trouble to respond, but 25+ pages
in on this link, with the info window getting smaller and smaller and
the adlinks multiplying like rats on heat (despite pop-ups disabled) I
gave up.
I've already bought the kit. I need practical help, please, with what
I've got, not the electronic equivalent of a WalMart. If there is an
"idiot's guide", step by step, that's what I need. I'm no idiot ( IQ
actually >120, even though I'm 60+), just an old fart seeking advice
in an area where I have no prior knowledge or expertise.

Thanks anyway, Len.

take a look at this web site which goes into detail on how to set
this up.....maybe there is some setting that you missed.
http://www.homenethelp.com/connection-sharing.asp
peter
Per advice in previous post, I exchanged switch/router deemed to be
faulty, for new. Wired it up, fired it up - results exactly same as
before, i.e. only ONE pc can be on-line, and (if it wasn't the same
one re-starting) need to switch off the cable modem power, then
re-connect, to get to the internet.
I've been assured by both vendor and this ng that this switch/router
should give simultaneous and shared access to the internet, and best
acheived via a network..
I attempted to set up a limited network (to share just internet
access, no files/printer) via the wizard.
Did this on both pc's, same network name (can't make a floppy since
2nd pc is laptop without floppy drive) HOWEVER wizard wanted both
pc's on (which they were) and connected to internet (which they
couldn't be - see above!!) however, both were connected to the
router/switch.

Problems have now escalated. I get "Limited or no connectivity"
error, and attempting repair via the repair screen results in
failure - only option is to disconnect/reconnect cable modem, reboot
the pc. Even then I get "detect proxy settings" which fails (I have
no proxy settings!) and eventually regain connectivity via the
"repair ID" screen. This is farcical.

Both PC's running XPHome, both connect via LAN cards, both work fine
on the modem as stand-alones - it's just connecting via
switch/router that causes problems. I do NOT require full network
capability, just shared internet connection. Settings are
"automatic".

What am I doing wrong? HELP!!! I'm a total novice in networks,
don't really understand IP masks, subnets and such - have tried
reading up, but it goes over my head. Most articles assume a
pre-existing level of knowledge that I just don't have. Please
advise, in simple terms!
Thanks in advance, Len.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Different company. But there is no rule that says it has to be a particular
IP. It is up to the manufacturer and in fact a lot use the same IP. It is
not the one exposed to the internet anyway. Don't worry about it. Just use
yours to communicate with the router.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
peter said:
Colin
Maybe I did not phrase my question right......I have the same type of set
up as you but a different IP address....I use a Netgear Wireless Router.
your IP 198.162.1.1
mine 192.168.0.1
any particular reason?? or just because different company??
always willing to learn something
peter

Colin Barnhorst said:
There is only one IP. I should have said that my wireless router is
connected to one of my computers by an ethernet cable. Of course almost
all routers are both wired/wireless. Mine has four ethernet out and one
in (from the cable modem). I have computers on both ethernet and
wireless connections.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
peter said:
Colin
quick question.......different IP for a wired router compared to a
wireless??? I use a Netgear wireless and I can not remember what the
wired IP was but I believe it was what you posted???Or is it just
because different brand??
peter
Check your router's manual. Most use 198.162.1.1, which is what my
Linksys router uses. You put this in your browser's address bar (where
you normally see "http://......"). You should see the router's main
configuration screen in your browser and that's where you edit
settings, open and close ports, and so on.
--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
Give us the name and model of your router.
my network IP is 192.168.0.0....with the routers IP being
192.168.0.1....comp #1 is 192.168.0.2 etc etc
from this you should be able to figure out your routers IP
peter
Peter and Colin - thanks for your continued and valued help and
advice. Still something I don't understand. - when you say type in
the ROUTER IP address, which one is that? I have the network card
(=LAN card?) MAC address, and the Network IP address, but no router
IP address, nor (as Colin pointed out) no way of getting it from pc
as it's an external device.. Is it one of these two, if not, how do I
get the router's IP address?

And, I guess I need to duplicate action on both pc and laptop?
Sincerely, Len (n.b. I've several different accesses to newsgroup
servers - just harmonised ID setting for all, hence now yabbadoo -
Yogi Bear throwback!)

Like Colin said...both programs see the hardware and software ON
your computer.
Typically you would enter the routers setup page by opening IE and
typing its IP address in the adress bar without the WWW.
as an example for my router I type http://192.168.0.1
this brings up a username/password page where the most common
default seems to be admin/password..........change it after you are
inside
this brings up a setup page and various tabbed pages for different
set up options.
Using the websites that I have suggested you should be able to
follow along and adjust your settings to make the unit function with
2 computers.
I dont know the make of your router but their websites usually have
more info than their documentation.I am on my 2nd router the first
was a wired Linksys and now I am using a wireless Netgear.Both came
with good but not great documentation.

Oh......and your not that old got me beat by 4yrs
peter
This sounds promising, but how/where to see (or change) change this
setting? The router is not listed in Device manager (it only sees
LAN card). Documentation for the router consistes of pictorial and
written text (about 100 words) instructions about plugging in
cables and power, nothing else..
Have tried both OE6 and Explorer internet settings - nothing, and
their Help files contain no entry under either Mac or Mac address.
Tried EVEREST Home Edition (oft praised here as pc analysis tool) -
under Network, there 5 entries (IP/Subnet mask, Gateway, DHCP, DNS
and DNS) but no MAC (incidentally this tool only sees my LAN card,
not the router nor the cable modem).
FOUND SOMETHING! - Tried Belarc - under communications it gives my
Network card MAC address and Network IP address. OK, having found
data, is this what I need (and how to change it? NB same limitation
as Everest - sees the LAN card only, not cable modem nor router.

What do I do now, please?

Thanks for keeping in with this query - appreciated. Len

Your problem might be MAC addressing.Each Computer has a Machine
Address which can be read by the Cable modem and your provider
might only allow you to have one machine connected.This can be
changed in the routers settings to clone the MAC address so that
the same MAC is used for both computers.
peter
Peter, appreciate that you took the trouble to respond, but 25+
pages in on this link, with the info window getting smaller and
smaller and the adlinks multiplying like rats on heat (despite
pop-ups disabled) I gave up.
I've already bought the kit. I need practical help, please, with
what I've got, not the electronic equivalent of a WalMart. If
there is an "idiot's guide", step by step, that's what I need.
I'm no idiot ( IQ actually >120, even though I'm 60+), just an
old fart seeking advice in an area where I have no prior
knowledge or expertise.

Thanks anyway, Len.

take a look at this web site which goes into detail on how to
set this up.....maybe there is some setting that you missed.
http://www.homenethelp.com/connection-sharing.asp
peter
Per advice in previous post, I exchanged switch/router deemed
to be faulty, for new. Wired it up, fired it up - results
exactly same as before, i.e. only ONE pc can be on-line, and
(if it wasn't the same one re-starting) need to switch off the
cable modem power, then re-connect, to get to the internet.
I've been assured by both vendor and this ng that this
switch/router should give simultaneous and shared access to the
internet, and best acheived via a network..
I attempted to set up a limited network (to share just internet
access, no files/printer) via the wizard.
Did this on both pc's, same network name (can't make a floppy
since 2nd pc is laptop without floppy drive) HOWEVER wizard
wanted both pc's on (which they were) and connected to internet
(which they couldn't be - see above!!) however, both were
connected to the router/switch.

Problems have now escalated. I get "Limited or no connectivity"
error, and attempting repair via the repair screen results in
failure - only option is to disconnect/reconnect cable modem,
reboot the pc. Even then I get "detect proxy settings" which
fails (I have no proxy settings!) and eventually regain
connectivity via the "repair ID" screen. This is farcical.

Both PC's running XPHome, both connect via LAN cards, both work
fine on the modem as stand-alones - it's just connecting via
switch/router that causes problems. I do NOT require full
network capability, just shared internet connection. Settings
are "automatic".

What am I doing wrong? HELP!!! I'm a total novice in networks,
don't really understand IP masks, subnets and such - have
tried reading up, but it goes over my head. Most articles
assume a pre-existing level of knowledge that I just don't
have. Please advise, in simple terms!
Thanks in advance, Len.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Thank you
peter
Colin Barnhorst said:
Different company. But there is no rule that says it has to be a particular
IP. It is up to the manufacturer and in fact a lot use the same IP. It is
not the one exposed to the internet anyway. Don't worry about it. Just use
yours to communicate with the router.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
peter said:
Colin
Maybe I did not phrase my question right......I have the same type of set up
as you but a different IP address....I use a Netgear Wireless Router.
your IP 198.162.1.1
mine 192.168.0.1
any particular reason?? or just because different company??
always willing to learn something
peter

Colin Barnhorst said:
There is only one IP. I should have said that my wireless router is
connected to one of my computers by an ethernet cable. Of course almost all
routers are both wired/wireless. Mine has four ethernet out and one in
(from the cable modem). I have computers on both ethernet and wireless
connections.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
Colin
quick question.......different IP for a wired router compared to a
wireless??? I use a Netgear wireless and I can not remember what the wired
IP was but I believe it was what you posted???Or is it just because
different brand??
peter
Check your router's manual. Most use 198.162.1.1, which is what my
Linksys router uses. You put this in your browser's address bar (where
you normally see "http://......"). You should see the router's main
configuration screen in your browser and that's where you edit settings,
open and close ports, and so on.
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Give us the name and model of your router.
my network IP is 192.168.0.0....with the routers IP being
192.168.0.1....comp #1 is 192.168.0.2 etc etc
from this you should be able to figure out your routers IP
peter
Peter and Colin - thanks for your continued and valued help and advice.
Still something I don't understand. - when you say type in the ROUTER IP
address, which one is that? I have the network card (=LAN card?) MAC
address, and the Network IP address, but no router IP address, nor (as
Colin pointed out) no way of getting it from pc as it's an external
device.. Is it one of these two, if not, how do I get the router's IP
address?

And, I guess I need to duplicate action on both pc and laptop?
Sincerely, Len (n.b. I've several different accesses to newsgroup
servers - just harmonised ID setting for all, hence now yabbadoo - Yogi
Bear throwback!)

Like Colin said...both programs see the hardware and software ON your
computer.
Typically you would enter the routers setup page by opening IE and
typing its IP address in the adress bar without the WWW.
as an example for my router I type http://192.168.0.1
this brings up a username/password page where the most common default
seems to be admin/password..........change it after you are inside
this brings up a setup page and various tabbed pages for different set
up options.
Using the websites that I have suggested you should be able to follow
along and adjust your settings to make the unit function with 2
computers.
I dont know the make of your router but their websites usually have
more info than their documentation.I am on my 2nd router the first was
a wired Linksys and now I am using a wireless Netgear.Both came with
good but not great documentation.

Oh......and your not that old got me beat by 4yrs
peter
This sounds promising, but how/where to see (or change) change this
setting? The router is not listed in Device manager (it only sees LAN
card). Documentation for the router consistes of pictorial and written
text (about 100 words) instructions about plugging in cables and
power, nothing else..
Have tried both OE6 and Explorer internet settings - nothing, and
their Help files contain no entry under either Mac or Mac address.
Tried EVEREST Home Edition (oft praised here as pc analysis tool) -
under Network, there 5 entries (IP/Subnet mask, Gateway, DHCP, DNS and
DNS) but no MAC (incidentally this tool only sees my LAN card, not the
router nor the cable modem).
FOUND SOMETHING! - Tried Belarc - under communications it gives my
Network card MAC address and Network IP address. OK, having found
data, is this what I need (and how to change it? NB same limitation as
Everest - sees the LAN card only, not cable modem nor router.

What do I do now, please?

Thanks for keeping in with this query - appreciated. Len

Your problem might be MAC addressing.Each Computer has a Machine
Address which can be read by the Cable modem and your provider might
only allow you to have one machine connected.This can be changed in
the routers settings to clone the MAC address so that the same MAC is
used for both computers.
peter
Peter, appreciate that you took the trouble to respond, but 25+
pages in on this link, with the info window getting smaller and
smaller and the adlinks multiplying like rats on heat (despite
pop-ups disabled) I gave up.
I've already bought the kit. I need practical help, please, with
what I've got, not the electronic equivalent of a WalMart. If there
is an "idiot's guide", step by step, that's what I need. I'm no
idiot ( IQ actually >120, even though I'm 60+), just an old fart
seeking advice in an area where I have no prior knowledge or
expertise.

Thanks anyway, Len.

take a look at this web site which goes into detail on how to set
this up.....maybe there is some setting that you missed.
http://www.homenethelp.com/connection-sharing.asp
peter
Per advice in previous post, I exchanged switch/router deemed to
be faulty, for new. Wired it up, fired it up - results exactly
same as before, i.e. only ONE pc can be on-line, and (if it wasn't
the same one re-starting) need to switch off the cable modem
power, then re-connect, to get to the internet.
I've been assured by both vendor and this ng that this
switch/router should give simultaneous and shared access to the
internet, and best acheived via a network..
I attempted to set up a limited network (to share just internet
access, no files/printer) via the wizard.
Did this on both pc's, same network name (can't make a floppy
since 2nd pc is laptop without floppy drive) HOWEVER wizard wanted
both pc's on (which they were) and connected to internet (which
they couldn't be - see above!!) however, both were connected to
the router/switch.

Problems have now escalated. I get "Limited or no connectivity"
error, and attempting repair via the repair screen results in
failure - only option is to disconnect/reconnect cable modem,
reboot the pc. Even then I get "detect proxy settings" which fails
(I have no proxy settings!) and eventually regain connectivity via
the "repair ID" screen. This is farcical.

Both PC's running XPHome, both connect via LAN cards, both work
fine on the modem as stand-alones - it's just connecting via
switch/router that causes problems. I do NOT require full network
capability, just shared internet connection. Settings are
"automatic".

What am I doing wrong? HELP!!! I'm a total novice in networks,
don't really understand IP masks, subnets and such - have tried
reading up, but it goes over my head. Most articles assume a
pre-existing level of knowledge that I just don't have. Please
advise, in simple terms!
Thanks in advance, Len.
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peter said:
Thank you
peter
Colin Barnhorst said:
Different company. But there is no rule that says it has to be a
particular IP. It is up to the manufacturer and in fact a lot use the
same IP. It is not the one exposed to the internet anyway. Don't worry
about it. Just use yours to communicate with the router.

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peter said:
Colin
Maybe I did not phrase my question right......I have the same type of
set up as you but a different IP address....I use a Netgear Wireless
Router.
your IP 198.162.1.1
mine 192.168.0.1
any particular reason?? or just because different company??
always willing to learn something
peter

There is only one IP. I should have said that my wireless router is
connected to one of my computers by an ethernet cable. Of course
almost all routers are both wired/wireless. Mine has four ethernet out
and one in (from the cable modem). I have computers on both ethernet
and wireless connections.

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(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
Colin
quick question.......different IP for a wired router compared to a
wireless??? I use a Netgear wireless and I can not remember what the
wired IP was but I believe it was what you posted???Or is it just
because different brand??
peter
Check your router's manual. Most use 198.162.1.1, which is what my
Linksys router uses. You put this in your browser's address bar
(where you normally see "http://......"). You should see the
router's main configuration screen in your browser and that's where
you edit settings, open and close ports, and so on.
--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
Give us the name and model of your router.
my network IP is 192.168.0.0....with the routers IP being
192.168.0.1....comp #1 is 192.168.0.2 etc etc
from this you should be able to figure out your routers IP
peter
Peter and Colin - thanks for your continued and valued help and
advice. Still something I don't understand. - when you say type in
the ROUTER IP address, which one is that? I have the network card
(=LAN card?) MAC address, and the Network IP address, but no router
IP address, nor (as Colin pointed out) no way of getting it from pc
as it's an external device.. Is it one of these two, if not, how do
I get the router's IP address?

And, I guess I need to duplicate action on both pc and laptop?
Sincerely, Len (n.b. I've several different accesses to newsgroup
servers - just harmonised ID setting for all, hence now yabbadoo -
Yogi Bear throwback!)

Like Colin said...both programs see the hardware and software ON
your computer.
Typically you would enter the routers setup page by opening IE and
typing its IP address in the adress bar without the WWW.
as an example for my router I type http://192.168.0.1
this brings up a username/password page where the most common
default seems to be admin/password..........change it after you
are inside
this brings up a setup page and various tabbed pages for different
set up options.
Using the websites that I have suggested you should be able to
follow along and adjust your settings to make the unit function
with 2 computers.
I dont know the make of your router but their websites usually
have more info than their documentation.I am on my 2nd router the
first was a wired Linksys and now I am using a wireless
Netgear.Both came with good but not great documentation.

Oh......and your not that old got me beat by 4yrs
peter
This sounds promising, but how/where to see (or change) change
this setting? The router is not listed in Device manager (it only
sees LAN card). Documentation for the router consistes of
pictorial and written text (about 100 words) instructions about
plugging in cables and power, nothing else..
Have tried both OE6 and Explorer internet settings - nothing, and
their Help files contain no entry under either Mac or Mac
address.
Tried EVEREST Home Edition (oft praised here as pc analysis
tool) - under Network, there 5 entries (IP/Subnet mask, Gateway,
DHCP, DNS and DNS) but no MAC (incidentally this tool only sees
my LAN card, not the router nor the cable modem).
FOUND SOMETHING! - Tried Belarc - under communications it gives
my Network card MAC address and Network IP address. OK, having
found data, is this what I need (and how to change it? NB same
limitation as Everest - sees the LAN card only, not cable modem
nor router.

What do I do now, please?

Thanks for keeping in with this query - appreciated. Len

Your problem might be MAC addressing.Each Computer has a Machine
Address which can be read by the Cable modem and your provider
might only allow you to have one machine connected.This can be
changed in the routers settings to clone the MAC address so that
the same MAC is used for both computers.
peter
Peter, appreciate that you took the trouble to respond, but 25+
pages in on this link, with the info window getting smaller and
smaller and the adlinks multiplying like rats on heat (despite
pop-ups disabled) I gave up.
I've already bought the kit. I need practical help, please,
with what I've got, not the electronic equivalent of a WalMart.
If there is an "idiot's guide", step by step, that's what I
need. I'm no idiot ( IQ actually >120, even though I'm 60+),
just an old fart seeking advice in an area where I have no
prior knowledge or expertise.

Thanks anyway, Len.

take a look at this web site which goes into detail on how to
set this up.....maybe there is some setting that you missed.
http://www.homenethelp.com/connection-sharing.asp
peter
Per advice in previous post, I exchanged switch/router deemed
to be faulty, for new. Wired it up, fired it up - results
exactly same as before, i.e. only ONE pc can be on-line, and
(if it wasn't the same one re-starting) need to switch off
the cable modem power, then re-connect, to get to the
internet.
I've been assured by both vendor and this ng that this
switch/router should give simultaneous and shared access to
the internet, and best acheived via a network..
I attempted to set up a limited network (to share just
internet access, no files/printer) via the wizard.
Did this on both pc's, same network name (can't make a floppy
since 2nd pc is laptop without floppy drive) HOWEVER wizard
wanted both pc's on (which they were) and connected to
internet (which they couldn't be - see above!!) however, both
were connected to the router/switch.

Problems have now escalated. I get "Limited or no
connectivity" error, and attempting repair via the repair
screen results in failure - only option is to
disconnect/reconnect cable modem, reboot the pc. Even then I
get "detect proxy settings" which fails (I have no proxy
settings!) and eventually regain connectivity via the "repair
ID" screen. This is farcical.

Both PC's running XPHome, both connect via LAN cards, both
work fine on the modem as stand-alones - it's just connecting
via switch/router that causes problems. I do NOT require full
network capability, just shared internet connection. Settings
are "automatic".

What am I doing wrong? HELP!!! I'm a total novice in
networks, don't really understand IP masks, subnets and
such - have tried reading up, but it goes over my head. Most
articles assume a pre-existing level of knowledge that I just
don't have. Please advise, in simple terms!
Thanks in advance, Len.
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