Several New Freeware Releases

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Watch out, some are not Freeware, but all are new releases.

Uh-oh. Duck. Here come all the self appointed newsgroup cops and cry
babies. Darn, I should have top posted this.

~GWC~
 
Bob,

Have you heard of a programme called Presorium Frontgate MX...it blocks spam
and claims to be better than Mailwasher. I just wondered as it is not on
your list.
 
Bob,

Have you heard of a programme called Presorium Frontgate MX...it blocks spam
and claims to be better than Mailwasher. I just wondered as it is not on
your list.

One reason is I have never heard of it. :-)

SpamPal is *very effective, and so transparent I forget about it for days at
a time.

However, I will give Frontgate a try. Nothing ventured, nothing gained!

Thanks!

Bob
 
Blinky said:
There's a good reason for that...



...it's all beta.

http://www.presorium.com/en_au/downloads.shtml

Hi Blinky,

It's all beta... sure; but I wish that all software in their final
release would be running as stable and would be working as good as
FrontGate MX in its beta. The reason for the "ongoing beta releases" is
that the developer are people who are not easily being satisified with
what they write (unlike some other companies we *both* know of).

Have you tried it? Why not? All that could happen is that you get
spammed (which you won't... I can tell you that on beforehand). So why
"judge" a program you don't know? IMO FrontGate is a perfect (and
freeware) alternative to Mailwasher (which, with the same capabilities,
isn't freeware any longer). My advice it to give it a try for a month
or so, and then tell me that it isn't good... I'm sure the devs would
be glad to learn why not...

BTW: FGMX is the second of two programs supported on our site!

Regards
Dick
 
Dick said:
Blinky the Shark wrote:
Hi Blinky,
It's all beta... sure; but I wish that all software in their final
release would be running as stable and would be working as good as
FrontGate MX in its beta. The reason for the "ongoing beta releases" is
that the developer are people who are not easily being satisified with
what they write (unlike some other companies we *both* know of).
Have you tried it? Why not? All that could happen is that you get

1. No

2a. See FAQ about Linux port.

2b. Because I don't get much spam and because my email client is
automatically deleting swen mail from the server on every mail run, in
the background.
spammed (which you won't... I can tell you that on beforehand). So why
"judge" a program you don't know? IMO FrontGate is a perfect (and

I didn't "judge" it -- I said it was beta, which information they
readily attest to. Repeating what the authors say is hardly judging
it, Dick, or the authors are guilty of the same thing. If one runs the
fact that it's a beta through the sieve of the afc definitions of
freewere, then the beta gets caught in the mesh and doesn't flow through
into the awaiting freeware container below.

I spent a lot of time on the site, reading about the program, and was
nearly finished with a post that said (I paraphrase) "this appears to
be a pretty good offering, and seems to be worth a look". (Well, damn!
That was "judging" it, wasn't it? Shame on me!)

Then, just before I hit send, I saw that it was a beta, instead of being
freeware as we define it. So, instead, I said, "it's all beta".
Luckily, that removed the dreaded "judging" I'd already done, in favor
of simply stating a caveat directly from the authors.
 
Blinky said:
wondered >> >>as it is not on your list.

for >> > days at a time.





1. No

2a. See FAQ about Linux port.

2b. Because I don't get much spam and because my email client is
automatically deleting swen mail from the server on every mail run, in
the background.


I didn't "judge" it -- I said it was beta, which information they
readily attest to. Repeating what the authors say is hardly judging
it, Dick, or the authors are guilty of the same thing. If one runs
the fact that it's a beta through the sieve of the afc definitions of
freewere, then the beta gets caught in the mesh and doesn't flow
through into the awaiting freeware container below.

I spent a lot of time on the site, reading about the program, and was
nearly finished with a post that said (I paraphrase) "this appears to
be a pretty good offering, and seems to be worth a look". (Well,
damn! That was "judging" it, wasn't it? Shame on me!)

Then, just before I hit send, I saw that it was a beta, instead of
being freeware as we define it. So, instead, I said, "it's all beta".
Luckily, that removed the dreaded "judging" I'd already done, in favor
of simply stating a caveat directly from the authors.

Yes, you are right in that, although - if you spent as much time as you
say (and I believe you unconditionally) you did - then surely you must
have read the explanation the authors gave for that "beta".

It's a pitty that all these new rules here will rule out some great
programs. OK... then let's stop mentioning FoxMail here too, because
we're in beta testing 5.0 now... and that isn't freeware but
"beta-ware?", beta 2 to be released soon.

Well, back to my own niche on the internet, where I at least can
support this very promising "beta-ware"!

Dick
 
Dick said:
Blinky the Shark wrote:
Yes, you are right in that, although - if you spent as much time as you
say (and I believe you unconditionally) you did - then surely you must
have read the explanation the authors gave for that "beta".

I did. It remained a beta, though.
It's a pitty that all these new rules here will rule out some great
programs. OK... then let's stop mentioning FoxMail here too, because
we're in beta testing 5.0 now... and that isn't freeware but
"beta-ware?", beta 2 to be released soon.

There isn't a gold release available, prior to 5.0 beta?

There isn't a gold release of the program in quesiton.
Well, back to my own niche on the internet, where I at least can
support this very promising "beta-ware"!

I don't think that's the only reason you're here; I don't think this is
anything to leave in a huff about. Or even in...a minute and a huff!

I got a million of 'em. ;)

(I keep most of them to myself, mind you.)
 
I'm confused (but what's new) about Blinky's objection to Presorium
Frontgate MX as freeware (moderate definition -- I haven't installed
it yet but the download doesn't require registration and I haven't
seen any other requirements or even a donation request).

The implication is that stable betaware cannot be freeware even though
the the application
"is not shareware, nagware, addware, or spyware. The program is not
a
limited version and it is not crippled in any way. You can use it
for
as long as you like"
(at least according to the developers).

Besides, didn't Blinky and Dick have this discussion a few months ago?

BillR

-----
http://www.presorium.com/en_au/products/fg/index.shtml

(Site excerpt)
It's free!
YES! Frontgate MX is FREE SOFTWARE! It is not shareware, nagware,
addware, or spyware. The program is not a limited version and it is
not crippled in any way. You can use it for as long as you like. ....

(From FAQ)
Why is it free?

I'm glad you asked. Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) is a nuisance
that we cannot tolerate. Everyone has the right to decide what is and
what isn't allowed into their inbox and now, finally, everyone has the
power. It would be wrong to have to pay for it. We at Presorium would
like to help all internet users by making a significant contribution
to the fight against UCE.

-----
 
BillR said:
I'm confused (but what's new) about Blinky's objection to Presorium
Frontgate MX as freeware (moderate definition -- I haven't installed
it yet but the download doesn't require registration and I haven't
seen any other requirements or even a donation request).
The implication is that stable betaware cannot be freeware even though
the the application
"is not shareware, nagware, addware, or spyware. The program is not
a
limited version and it is not crippled in any way. You can use it
for
as long as you like"
(at least according to the developers).
Besides, didn't Blinky and Dick have this discussion a few months ago?

And you're still confused?

(No more responses, here, to the top posting.)
 
And you're still confused?

Yes. Always. <blink, blink>

BTW, the parenthetical comment was supposed to be humerous self
depracation, not directed at Blinky. I should have reread it - again
again - for possible alternative interpretations. Humor is always
chancy. said:
(No more responses, here, to the top posting.)

'Twas obviously a considered decision (by both of us). But just for
you this one time .... <blink, blink>

The serious messages are Presorium Frontgate MX is freeware; and this
illustrates yet another flaw in the "wares" classification. (Defining
even one exhaustive, otherwise mutually exclusive class in a useful
way is not an easy task.) (All the way at the bottom, very last
thing.)

Bill
 
Yes. Always. <blink, blink>

Hey, I'll do the blinking around here. :)
BTW, the parenthetical comment was supposed to be humerous self
depracation, not directed at Blinky. I should have reread it - again
again - for possible alternative interpretations. Humor is always
chancy. <blink, blink>
'Twas obviously a considered decision (by both of us). But just for
you this one time .... <blink, blink>
The serious messages are Presorium Frontgate MX is freeware; and this
illustrates yet another flaw in the "wares" classification. (Defining
even one exhaustive, otherwise mutually exclusive class in a useful
way is not an easy task.) (All the way at the bottom, very last
thing.)

I've been distracted. Is this the "it's beta" discussion, or was this
the "it's nagware" discussion?
 
Smack 'in up side the head with one of those rotten fish heads you keep
laying around. :-)

Fish heads fish heads
Roly poly fish heads
Fish heads fish heads
Eat them up, yum!
 
Blinky the Shark said:
I've been distracted. Is this the "it's beta" discussion, or was this
the "it's nagware" discussion?

<blink blink> -- or should that be <wink wink> this time? I have too
many distractions: I actually scrolled back to copy an appropriate
line. Duh.
 
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