Sending fonts with project

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Jan Il

Hi all, PPT 2002, WinME

It's been a bit since I did this, and now I've forgotten which thumb has all
rules and neither are talking. I have a slide show and the folks at the
other end don't have the fonts that I need/want to use on a few of the
slides. The fonts are animated.

Now, seems that I recall that embedded fonts can't be animated, yes or no? I
thought no, but, I have not used embedded fonts in a spell, so I'm not so
sure. Also, if I want to send the fonts to those on the other end, can they
just copy them into the Windows Font folder? Or do they need to be
installed. I ask, as when I tried to copy some fonts they sent to me to my
Windows folder it would not let me, and, when I tried to install them, it
would not do that either. I had to go to the web and look them up and
install them from there. While I know how to do this, they don't on the
other end.

Is there something in the Pack and Go that might assist the install of fonts
on the other end? I've never used it yet, so I dunno, and what I've read is
not quite clear. I'm probably not seeing something here, but, I'm not sure
where to look so that I can ignore it.

Any suggestions or pointers would really be appreciated.

Best regards,

Jan :)
 
Embedded fonts are only temporarily installed by PowerPoint or the Viewer
for the purposes of properly displaying the presentation in which they are
embedded. They cannot be installed permanently and are only available in
Slide Show mode. Also, the end user does nothing. Yes, they can be
animated as far as I know.

Go to File > Save As > Tools > Save Options and check "Embed True Type
Fonts". Alternatively, go to Tools > Save and check "Embed True Type Fonts"
and they'll always be embedded for that particular presentation.
 
It's been a bit since I did this, and now I've forgotten which thumb has all
rules and neither are talking.
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Just as well. I hate it when both of my thumbs start talking to me. I listen
to one, the other gets jealous and starts talking louder, then ... well, you
see where it all leads. Cant' even put my thumbs in my ears to block them out,
and either way, everybody moves away from me in the bus. There's that to be
thankful for, at least.
Now, seems that I recall that embedded fonts can't be animated, yes or no? I
thought no, but, I have not used embedded fonts in a spell,
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Spell? We don't cast spells here, we cast aspersions. On or about PowerPoint.
Animating embedded fonts in PowerPoint should be no problem.
sure. Also, if I want to send the fonts to those on the other end, can they
just copy them into the Windows Font folder? Or do they need to be
installed.
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That depends on the font format and then Win version. If they're TTF fonts,
copying to the fonts folder or installing normally will work. Unless maybe
their IT elves have mucked with things. In which case, you want to save your
best spells for the IT elves.

If they're Type 1 fonts (ie, come as PFB + PFM files) you can't install them
directly into Windows ME or anything pre-Win2000 w/o first installing Adobe
Type Manager. Win2000 and up can install them like normal TT fonts, more or
less.

All that aside, there's the legal aspect of it all. For the most part, you
can't legally hand out your fonts to others. If they're legally embeddable,
then you can let PPT do the embedding. Then again, if they're going to use
PPT2003 and need to edit the files, there are pitfalls there too.
Is there something in the Pack and Go that might assist the install of fonts
on the other end?
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P'n'G doesn't help with fonts.

I've never used it yet, so I dunno, and what I've read is
 
Hey Sonia!
Embedded fonts are only temporarily installed by PowerPoint or the Viewer
for the purposes of properly displaying the presentation in which they are
embedded. They cannot be installed permanently and are only available in
Slide Show mode. Also, the end user does nothing. Yes, they can be
animated as far as I know.

Go to File > Save As > Tools > Save Options and check "Embed True Type
Fonts". Alternatively, go to Tools > Save and check "Embed True Type Fonts"
and they'll always be embedded for that particular presentation.
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'k...got that now. Sure glad to know they can be animated if embedded. That
makes life *much* easier.
Especially when someone tells you they have a font and actually don't. Some
poor folks don't know their fonts from their backs. ;-))

Thank you very much for the info. I'll beat this stuff in sideways, then
maybe it'll hang around a while. :-)

Jan :)
 
"> > It's been a bit since I did this, and now I've forgotten which thumb
has all
Just as well. I hate it when both of my thumbs start talking to me. I listen
to one, the other gets jealous and starts talking louder, then ... well, you
see where it all leads. Cant' even put my thumbs in my ears to block them out,
and either way, everybody moves away from me in the bus. There's that to be
thankful for, at least.
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Wow!! You have that problem too?? Whew!! Sure glad to know I'm not the
only one with blabbering thumbs. They tend to get pushy, and way too
judgmental if you ask me. And I hate it when they whisper to each other.
Kinda makes me nervous. I know what you mean about people giving you a wide
berth. Suits me just fine. I have to ride the Trolley to and from work
everyday, and it seems like someone's always hanging over my shoulder trying
to read my newspaper.
Spell? We don't cast spells here, we cast aspersions. On or about PowerPoint.
Animating embedded fonts in PowerPoint should be no problem.
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Huh? Ahmm...what do you mean we don't cast spells here? You mean.....all
this time I should have been casting aspersions? Well....no wonder I've had
so much trouble with this PPT2002. I've been calling it the wrong names!
At least I don't have to worry about animating the captive fonts.
That depends on the font format and then Win version. If they're TTF fonts,
copying to the fonts folder or installing normally will work. Unless maybe
their IT elves have mucked with things. In which case, you want to save your
best spells for the IT elves.
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Ah...and I have just the ones for those IT elf muck makers, too. ;-))
If they're Type 1 fonts (ie, come as PFB + PFM files) you can't install them
directly into Windows ME or anything pre-Win2000 w/o first installing Adobe
Type Manager. Win2000 and up can install them like normal TT fonts, more or
less.
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'k...I'll see if I can get the Adobe Type Manager. I have folks that find
these fonts and want me to use them in their project. Except, I can always
get them copied or installed to my Fonts folder.
All that aside, there's the legal aspect of it all. For the most part, you
can't legally hand out your fonts to others. If they're legally embeddable,
then you can let PPT do the embedding. Then again, if they're going to use
PPT2003 and need to edit the files, there are pitfalls there too.
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Being able to animate the embedded fonts will avoid most of these problems.
Hmm..now..am I understanding you correctly in that, if the projects are
created in 2000 or 2002, embedded fonts may not be editable in 2003?
P'n'G doesn't help with fonts.
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'k...good to know.
 
Wow!! You have that problem too?? Whew!! Sure glad to know I'm not the
only one with blabbering thumbs. They tend to get pushy, and way too
judgmental if you ask me. And I hate it when they whisper to each other.
Kinda makes me nervous.
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Especially behind your back, right? The occasional "Hi, how y'all are?" or
short conversations, sure, I can see that. Well, I can't see it when it's
behind my back, but you know what I mean. But these long heart-to-hearts;
that's hard on the old rotator cuffs, and heck, it's not like they're whorls
apart right?
berth. Suits me just fine. I have to ride the Trolley to and from work
everyday, and it seems like someone's always hanging over my shoulder trying
to read my newspaper.
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I find it helps if you wrap the fish in it BEFORE you read it.
Huh? Ahmm...what do you mean we don't cast spells here? You mean.....all
this time I should have been casting aspersions? Well....no wonder I've had
so much trouble with this PPT2002. I've been calling it the wrong names!
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And here you thought its code name was Nasturtium all this time!
'k...I'll see if I can get the Adobe Type Manager. I have folks that find
these fonts and want me to use them in their project. Except, I can always
get them copied or installed to my Fonts folder.
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I'd skip ATM unless you need it for something else. It lets you use Type 1
fonts on your computer, but you can't embed Type1s in PPT. IOW, as far as
making it possible to hand your shows off to other people, it wouldn't help in
the least.
Hmm..now..am I understanding you correctly in that, if the projects are
created in 2000 or 2002, embedded fonts may not be editable in 2003?
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Yup. There are different levels of font embeddability. If the font's what
they call "display-only" (I think that's the correct term) you can embed it,
you can give me the presentation, and even if I don't have the font on my
system, I can play back the presentation and see the font used there.

BUT since the embedded font isn't enabled for editing (display only, remember)
PPT takes the POV that I shouldn't be allowed to edit the presentation since in
some way that might involve editing using the embedded font. Unfortunately, I
can't even open the presentation and substitute another font that I *am*
licensed to use. I suspect that display-only fonts opened up a whole can of
Mikey-chow that was way to complex to be worth the resources it'd take to
solve, so MS backed up to "If it has display-only fonts, the PPT opens
read-only, no can edit, so sorry, end of story."
 
Wow!! You have that problem too?? Whew!! Sure glad to know I'm not
the
Especially behind your back, right? The occasional "Hi, how y'all are?" or
short conversations, sure, I can see that. Well, I can't see it when it's
behind my back, but you know what I mean. But these long heart-to-hearts;
that's hard on the old rotator cuffs, and heck, it's not like they're whorls
apart right?
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W'll yeah! And, since they /are/ opposing, they tend not to agree a lot
anyway. The more communication between them the less cooperative they are.
But, I've learned not to stick my nose in when they get like that.
I find it helps if you wrap the fish in it BEFORE you read it.
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Hmmm....that is a thought. But, not sure most people would notice though.
There seems to be a growing number of early morning commuters with a
preference for Oily de Cod shower gel. Mix in last nights garlic toast, the
General Alarm's 4 Star Fire House Buffalo Ears, and
Anchovies/Onion/Limburger Abbondanza Grand Wazoolie pizza, and you pray for
a verryyy serious sudden sinus attack and lose the Sudafed. But....the ride
home is not too bad. ;-)
names!

And here you thought its code name was Nasturtium all this time!
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Heh....not really...I'd never be able to pronounce that. Sorta more like
P'tunya.
I'd skip ATM unless you need it for something else. It lets you use Type 1
fonts on your computer, but you can't embed Type1s in PPT. IOW, as far as
making it possible to hand your shows off to other people, it wouldn't help in
the least.
Click to expand...

'k...so I forget the ATM.
Yup. There are different levels of font embeddability. If the font's what
they call "display-only" (I think that's the correct term) you can embed it,
you can give me the presentation, and even if I don't have the font on my
system, I can play back the presentation and see the font used there.

BUT since the embedded font isn't enabled for editing (display only, remember)
PPT takes the POV that I shouldn't be allowed to edit the presentation since in
some way that might involve editing using the embedded font. Unfortunately, I
can't even open the presentation and substitute another font that I *am*
licensed to use. I suspect that display-only fonts opened up a whole can of
Mikey-chow that was way to complex to be worth the resources it'd take to
solve, so MS backed up to "If it has display-only fonts, the PPT opens
read-only, no can edit, so sorry, end of story."
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I see. Hmm....interesting. I don't have anyone yet with 2003, but, there is
one who is thinking of doing so. I will need to keep this in mind if they
do go there. So....how you do tell if the font is *display-only* or not?
Are there specific types? Or is it just the way they are used? I've not had
a call to consider this difference. The majority of my work has been wrapped
around schematics and creating industry specific graphics, until the last
year or so, thus I am not that familiar with different text
properties/compatibilities/embedities....ahmm.... what all you can do with
it kind of stuff. Is there a reference or something on this I can research?

Jan :)
 
W'll yeah! And, since they /are/ opposing, they tend not to agree a lot
anyway. The more communication between them the less cooperative they are.
But, I've learned not to stick my nose in when they get like that.
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Fersher. You could get a bad case of congestion from sticking it into the
middle of a thumb-wrasslin' match.
Hmmm....that is a thought. But, not sure most people would notice though.
There seems to be a growing number of early morning commuters with a
preference for Oily de Cod shower gel. Mix in last nights garlic toast, the
General Alarm's 4 Star Fire House Buffalo Ears, and
Anchovies/Onion/Limburger Abbondanza Grand Wazoolie pizza, and you pray for
a verryyy serious sudden sinus attack and lose the Sudafed. But....the ride
home is not too bad. ;-)
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Hmm. So perhaps sticking your nose into the midst of Thumb Smackdown isn't
such a bad idea after all.
Heh....not really...I'd never be able to pronounce that. Sorta more like
P'tunya.
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Hey! Use the SPetun,ia!
I see. Hmm....interesting. I don't have anyone yet with 2003, but, there is
one who is thinking of doing so. I will need to keep this in mind if they
do go there. So....how you do tell if the font is *display-only* or not?
Are there specific types? Or is it just the way they are used?
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It's a matter of a few bytes in the font that the manufacturer applies to tell
the world how they want to license the font, what you can do with it if you own
it.

There's a neat tool at www.microsoft.com/typography/ that tells you tons of
stuff about fonts. Pick one, rightclick, choose the tool, learn everything
there is to know about the font.

Here's the direct link to it, but do take a little time to look at the rest of
the site. It's one of the best offerings MS has on the web, IMO.

http://www.microsoft.com/typography/TrueTypeProperty21.mspx
 
W'll yeah! And, since they /are/ opposing, they tend not to agree a lot
Fersher. You could get a bad case of congestion from sticking it into the
middle of a thumb-wrasslin' match.
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Yeah...and...well...you never know where it might wind up. I kinda have a
preference of in and around toward the center myself. Not that it
particularly looks any better there than it might elsewhere. Just that it
makes it easier to find in a hurry, like with a sudden nose bleed!
Hmm. So perhaps sticking your nose into the midst of Thumb Smackdown isn't
such a bad idea after all.
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It is a very good option. But... w'll see...thumbs are sorta like kids when
they're first learning to talk. They will never say anything when you really
want them to. It's hard to start a fest with they won't speak to each
other. said:
Hey! Use the SPetun,ia!
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Yeah....I have one of those too. But....I have Jaws, my Venus Fly Trap,
planted in it right now. Maybe I'll just get a bucket. ???
It's a matter of a few bytes in the font that the manufacturer applies to tell
the world how they want to license the font, what you can do with it if you own
it.

There's a neat tool at www.microsoft.com/typography/ that tells you tons of
stuff about fonts. Pick one, rightclick, choose the tool, learn everything
there is to know about the font.
Click to expand...

Kewl!! I didn't know there was so much you need to know about fonts, ya
know?
Here's the direct link to it, but do take a little time to look at the rest of
the site. It's one of the best offerings MS has on the web, IMO.

http://www.microsoft.com/typography/TrueTypeProperty21.mspx
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Defin-O....I read and save everything. I'm a packrat, ya know! I have
copies of some of my very first posts to this newsgroup, and ever since.
They sure come in handy for references.....and.....my memory. ;-))))))

Jan :)
 
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