security in VIsta RC1

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Hi guys, I don't if you are tired of internet security but I am, I have have
lower the security, privacy, pop ups, phishing and advance settings, allow
allcookies etc.. and internet explorer continue to block a lot of sites that
I used to visit, and it display a annoing message every time that this
happen, and it is very often( This doesn't happen with IE6, it goes and open
the website at the same time that IE7 can't ) . Also every time I open IE7 I
get another annoing message and it force to click home to go to my home page
and again it display another stupid message. Hey microsoft vista team please
do not continue to protect windows from the advanced user, because all this
security things is for the people that do not have anti virus, firewall,
spyware or malware detector programs, the advance user will always have in
place all those programs up to date. Please do not protect the oparating
system from me the, user. Put some setting with you can disable all these
features and run the os at our own risk.

Thank you

AC
 
I can say I have not had that problem and I have even more security measures
in place than that afforded by Vista.

As an advanced user YOU should be able to turn off the items you don't want
protecting you. The options are there for the most part. If you can't turn
them off it is probably that you are in the class where "you shouldn't" turn
them off.
 
Richard Urban said:
I can say I have not had that problem and I have even more security
measures in place than that afforded by Vista.

As an advanced user YOU should be able to turn off the items you don't
want protecting you. The options are there for the most part. If you can't
turn them off it is probably that you are in the class where "you
shouldn't" turn them off.
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Many "advanced users" simply THINK they are advanced. This is because they
have been using computers for years, and THINK they know what they are
doing, but actually don't know any deeper than the UI and how to install a
few programs.

Example;

I recently went on a job to remove some mal-ware and determine why a printer
wasn't working. The customer also asked me to remove a "gambling program"
that his son had installed but couldn't remove using Add Remove programs.

This customer owns a small business and one of his employees claimed to be a
"computer guru" and when he tried to remove the "gambling program" got no
farther than the customer did, he also had no clue how to remove the
mal-ware nor could he get the printer working.

Now, had this "computer guru" actually known a thing about computer he would
have known that all he had to do was remove the directory, then search the
Registry for the entries the software wrote during installation, then again
in the Registry remove the entry for the un-installer. Using a PE disk with
Ad-Aware was all it took to remove the Ad-ware that was installed (actually,
I didn't need to even use the PE disk, but I figured I'd do an off-line
virus and mal-ware scan while I was there), the printer was a USB printer
and the driver was attempting to use the parallel port.

I'm not trying to blow my own horn here, these are things that a computer
tech will learn to do in basic trouble shooting, so my ability to figure
these things out is nothing special (I went to school for this stuff) I'm
just pointing out that "advanced users" usually are self proclaimed and
often don't know much more than the "typical user."

I tend to take anything anyone claiming to be an "advance user" says with a
grain of salt, and sometimes the things they say regarding computers is
laughably incorrect. :-)

Mic
 
I don't have these problems either. I also agree with Richard Urban...the
advanced users should know how to turn these features off..if you don't then
advanced may not be the correct term.

The problem is that probably upwards of 75% (just a guess) of Windows users
are not advanced and are lucky if they have enough knowledge to install and
run a spyware/virus scan.

If you had any idea of the number of free support calls that Microsoft takes
every day, and any idea how much it costs MS to do so, then you would
probably agree with their decision to lock down the OS by default.
 
Your estimate of the percentage of Windows users who are not advanced users
is fantastically low. I would say closer to 95%.
 
I have to agree with the other responders. I've had no problems surfing
wherever I want with IE7 in Vista. Something is wrong with your setup.
 
Guys I got read of all that, but it took time, and time is money, is amazing
how a good percentage of you are willing to look over the shoulder, the
opinion of other that disagre with you guys I'm not saying that I'm a guru,
but at list I build rigs that have and Experince rating index beetween 5.8
and 6.0, i don't like all that security and I have the write to express it.
sorry if you don't like it.
 
I don't know about the rest but I wasn't putting you down. Just saying your
experience with IE7 is unusual or at least very different from mine. I have
IE7 set at the default settings and have no problem surfing. Your original
post was hard to read and harder to understand. Please state in clearer
terms what is happening and maybe someone can help you fix it.
 
Well Kerry, for example I was trying to change my profile at Wall Street
Journal and had to login, IE7 dion't open the web page with any settings,
the only thing I got from it was a page that stated that IE can't open the
page, and it gave two or 3 options why, like my connection were down, or the
WSJ web site was down etc, at the same time I tryed with another computer
using the same network and the same router with WIN XP X64 and IE6 and it
did it.
Another example when it is with default settings it is for us very painfull
to enter to the MSDN,( we are testing the OS in 4 rigs at moment) because
first at the moment that you click enter, a alarm comes on and tell you that
it can't go inside the site because of the certificate or it doesn't macth,
or it has expired or the authority that has issued that certificate has not
enough authority, then for access the benefits of your subscription you have
click your mouse at list 12 times to get in to the page where you have to
login only, from the login forward you have more of the same, and this are
only two examples out of a lot, of course you can disable this feature and
other feature , but you need time to go from tab to tab in internet options,
to do this. And what I propose is that everything could be easier if when
the system is booting up, a box could come out and ask you how you want run
the OS, not only IE7, with all the security on or at you own risk, that is
all. From my perspective is to much security.
Thanks
AC
 
I really do understand where you are coming from,
and I agree with most of your sentiments.

-Michael
 
I'm not alone in this the post bellow was made by Rick Hallman at 9.22 am,
this is another example, it also happened to us,

What's the deal? I had Pre-RC1 and Beta2 and they both allowed me to go to
Adobe.com and download the free reader. I loaded RC1 and it's IE7 won't let
me go to Adobe and download the reader. I can't get any Adobe.com page to
load. What setting needs to be adjusted to go download the reader?

(Note: All of my installations were done on a hard drive that was wiped
clean with all zeros so there were never any artifacts of the previous
versions.)
 
I can't comment on the problem with the Wall Street Journal. I don't have an
account there. I just tried logging on to MSDN. I clicked on the Sign In
button at the top right of this page.

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx

This is the first time I have accessed MSDN from this computer since I
installed RC1. I signed in with my passport ID then went to the subscriber
benefits page. It worked exactly the same as it does in XP with IE6. I had
no warnings about certificates. The site was no different from IE6 with XP.
I don't know why you are having problems. I for one am glad Microsoft has
not made it easy to lower the security in IE. I see many computers that are
infested with malware because of people running IE 6 or IE7 in XP while
logged in as administrator. One of the reasons other OSs have a reputation
of having better security than Windows is precisely because programs can't
normally access system areas without the user elevating their priviledges.
 
Kerry i agree with you in MSDN I tried myself today and it was OK, in WSJ
the problem continue and I'm trying to go in the Adobe web for more than one
now and Ihas been imposible. I have receive an e-mail from American airlines
asking for support because their betting for a route from Dallas To Beijing,
in the there is a link to site where the the support form is ready to be
filled out, Again some problem IE7 tells me that it cannot display the web
page, gave me the same reasons that it have gave be , connection down
etc.. There is also a problem with windows mail it blocks the images of the
mails, I have already disable the feature in the Scurity tab of the options
of windows mail and it continue to block them.
Thank you for your time
 
I know some secure sites like banks are blocking the use of IE7. I have also
noticed that my ISP blocks IE7 from accessing their web mail. Possibly
airlines might be doing the same. This is done by the site not IE7. They
don't want to support users using beta software. I use Outlook for my email
but I have used Windows mail for graphics oriented news groups. I did have
to play with the security settings to view stationery but once I found the
right settings I was able to view the images and hear the sounds. I didn't
like relaxing the security that much so I set it back to the defaults. Vista
is very much more security oriented than other Windows versions. It will
cause some pain while people get used to it. Only time will tell if the pain
is worth it.
 
killallspammers said:
Well Kerry, for example I was trying to change my profile at Wall Street
Journal and had to login, IE7 dion't open the web page with any settings,
the only thing I got from it was a page that stated that IE can't open the
page, and it gave two or 3 options why, like my connection were down, or the
WSJ web site was down etc, at the same time I tryed with another computer
using the same network and the same router with WIN XP X64 and IE6 and it
did it.
Click to expand...

SSL 2 usage has been turned off by default.
Turning it on solved this kind of problems for me.
 
I have SSL 2.0 , 3.0 and TLS 1.0 all enable and the problem is still there.
But I have to say that it loks that Kerry is right when points out that big
part of the problem is that a lot of websites doesn't have support for beta
software, because the problem has day by day decrease a little.
 
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