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dnss
Cuzman said:
An interesting development in the hdd marketplace!
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Arno Wagner
Previously Cuzman said:
Well, I gues that measn I definitely stay with Samsung drives in the
future. Don't want to accidentaially buy a Maxtor masking as Seagate.
Arno
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Lady Margaret Thatcher
Interesting, as in "less competition, leading to higher prices andAn interesting development in the hdd marketplace!
possibly quality control problems for drives built in the next six
months.
From the tone of the press release, it's a complete Seagate takeover
of Maxtor, at a firesale price. A price of 2X revenues is pretty low,
even if Maxtor has been losing money lately.
I think that this sale was "protection money" paid to Maxtor
shareholders. "Don't force us (Seagate) to simply drive you (Maxtor)
out of business, which we could do, but we would have to lower prices
to do that."
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Lady Margaret Thatcher
Who are the surviving competitors:An interesting development in the hdd marketplace!
Hitachi
Western Digital
Fujitsu?
Samsung?
Aside from perhaps Hitachi, can any of these companies really compete
with Seagate in either product development (engineering) or price
(manufacturing)?
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Rod Speed
Who are the surviving competitors:
Hitachi
Western Digital
Fujitsu?
Nope, not with 3.5" ATA drives for quite a while now.
Samsung?
Yep.
Aside from perhaps Hitachi, can any of these companies really
compete with Seagate in either product development (engineering)
Depends on what you mean by compete. IBM/Hitachi has clearly
been doing that fine for a long time now. Samsung is certainly
later to market than Seagate, but they do always compete.
or price (manufacturing)?
That's complicated and tends to vary quite a bit over time.
Seagate has started to manufacture in china, but its not clear
if that necessarily gets them lower manufacturing costs than
the others. That certainly isnt visible in the retail prices.
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Rod Speed
Interesting, as in "less competition, leading to higher prices
Unlikely, there is still quite a bit of competition left after that.
and possibly quality control problems
for drives built in the next six months.
Again, unlikely. Seagate tends to keep taken over plants
going and just rebrands the products coming out of them.
Least that is what they have done in the past takeovers.
From the tone of the press release, it's a complete Seagate
takeover of Maxtor, at a firesale price. A price of 2X revenues
is pretty low, even if Maxtor has been losing money lately.
I think that this sale was "protection money" paid to Maxtor shareholders.
Not really, just eliminating a competitor when that can be done
cheaply when they have been losing money for a long time now.
"Don't force us (Seagate) to simply drive you (Maxtor) out of business,
which we could do, but we would have to lower prices to do that."
No they wouldnt, they've been doing it for years already.
That's why Maxtor has been losing money for a long time now.
More like the coup de grace.
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dnss
Arno Wagner said:Well, I gues that measn I definitely stay with Samsung drives in the
future. Don't want to accidentaially buy a Maxtor masking as Seagate.
Arno
Very interesting comment, my thought too, will Seagate maintain it's 5 year
warranty?
Will the quality of Seagate hdd's remain higher than Maxtor?
Will Seagate produce a separate line labelled MaxSea's?????
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Arno Wagner
Very interesting comment, my thought too, will Seagate maintain it's 5 year
warranty?
Will the quality of Seagate hdd's remain higher than Maxtor?
Will Seagate produce a separate line labelled MaxSea's?????
Only time can tell. Let's hope for the best.
Arno
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J. Clarke
Lady said:Who are the surviving competitors:
Hitachi
Western Digital
Fujitsu?
Dropped their desktop drives long ago--not sure about their enterprise
products.
Samsung?
Huge Korean company, certainly have the resources.
The Chinese have started a hard disk company--right now their products don't
really have a track record--if the Chinese are serious about penetrating
the market though they'll get their act together eventually.
Aside from perhaps Hitachi, can any of these companies really compete
with Seagate in either product development (engineering) or price
(manufacturing)?
Samsung certainly can, if they want to.
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Lady Margaret Thatcher
Huge Korean company, certainly have the resources.
The Chinese have started a hard disk company--right now their products don't
really have a track record--if the Chinese are serious about penetrating
the market though they'll get their act together eventually.
There are certainly enough formerly employed disk drive engineers,
manufacturing engineers, and technicians available for hire.
Samsung certainly can, if they want to.
And Samsung is a very vertically integrated company. I expect that
there will be Samsung disk drives in our futures.
Thatcher
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J. Clarke
Lady said:There are certainly enough formerly employed disk drive engineers,
manufacturing engineers, and technicians available for hire.
And Samsung is a very vertically integrated company. I expect that
there will be Samsung disk drives in our futures.
Already are in mine--I've had a couple running in my Tivo for a couple of
years now--upgraded it from 40 hours to 200.
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Lady Margaret Thatcher
Already are in mine--I've had a couple running in my Tivo for a couple of
years now--upgraded it from 40 hours to 200.
And how do you like these drives? Quiet? Cool? Fast (or at least,
fast enough?)
Lady Magaret Thatcher
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J. Clarke
Lady said:And how do you like these drives? Quiet?
Can't hear them over the fan.
Cool?
About like the originals. Box gets warm, but not hot.
Fast (or at least,
fast enough?)
No artifacting that I can see in the video output, but a Tivo is running
Linux on something like a 30 MHz PowerPC chip, so the drive isn't likely to
be the bottleneck.
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Arno Wagner
Previously Lady Margaret Thatcher said:On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:04:25 -0500, "J. Clarke"
And how do you like these drives? Quiet? Cool? Fast (or at least,
fast enough?)
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Arno Wagner
Previously Lady Margaret Thatcher said:On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:04:25 -0500, "J. Clarke"
And how do you like these drives? Quiet?
Yes.
Yes.
Fast (or at least,
fast enough?)
I would say so. They are no 15000rpm SCSI drives of course.
Arno
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Scott
Very interesting comment, my thought too, will Seagate maintain it's 5
year warranty?
Will the quality of Seagate hdd's remain higher than Maxtor?
Will Seagate produce a separate line labelled MaxSea's?????
I had a 20 GB Maxtor drive in my previous PC. I bought that PC in April
1999. I replaced that PC in December 2004. I never had a problem with
the hard drive whatsoever. For most of that period, the PC ran 24 x7. I
have no qualms with Maxtor at all.
The PC I bought to replace it last year has two Maxtor Maxline Plus II
drives. I've been very pleased with them as well.
I can't help but wonder what differences I would have noticed had the drives
been been Segates instead. How do you get better than excellent?
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Rod Speed
Scott said:dnss wrote
I had a 20 GB Maxtor drive in my previous PC. I bought that PC
in April 1999. I replaced that PC in December 2004. I never
had a problem with the hard drive whatsoever. For most of that
period, the PC ran 24 x7. I have no qualms with Maxtor at all.
The technical term for that is 'pathetically inadequate sample'
The PC I bought to replace it last year has two Maxtor Maxline Plus II
drives. I've been very pleased with them as well.
I can't help but wonder what differences I would have
noticed had the drives been been Segates instead.
How do you get better than excellent?
That aint the result many have got with the Maxlines.
THATS how you do better, less drives fail.