Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS 320GB VERY SLOW, help

[Crackles McFarly]

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS 320GB 16MB Cache SATA2 is very
slow.

I'm using asus's A8S-X board which doesn't allow SATA 2 so it defaults
to SATA 1.

When the Jumper is ON it forces it to go to SATA ONE, I have the
jumper OFF making it SATA TWO which the motherboard does not support.

But I read the motherboard simply defaults to SATA ONE whether the
Jumper is on or off, is this true?


Should I put the Jumper back on and would that improve my speeds?

The Rate Max is 65MB/sec, everyone else reports 300MB+/sec??

Do I have some setting in the BIOS wrong or even XP?

HD Tune: ST3320620AS Benchmark
Transfer Rate Minimum : 37.2 MB/sec
Transfer Rate Maximum : 65.2 MB/sec
Transfer Rate Average : 58.0 MB/sec
Access Time : 13.2 ms
Burst Rate : 66.4 MB/sec
CPU Usage : 100.0%

Just doesn't seem right to be getting benchmarked speeds that are
1/10th of other people.

Help please?

Yours Truly,
Crackles R. McFarly
Associates Degree in Air Quality and Pollen Studies
Certified Air Quality Specialist 'X7 Station: Fulton County, Georgia'

 

[Rod Speed]

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS 320GB 16MB Cache SATA2 is very slow.

I'm using asus's A8S-X board which doesn't allow SATA 2 so it defaults to SATA 1.

When the Jumper is ON it forces it to go to SATA ONE, I have the jumper
OFF making it SATA TWO which the motherboard does not support.

But I read the motherboard simply defaults to SATA ONE
whether the Jumper is on or off, is this true?

In theory, yes. In practice it doesnt always happen like that.

Should I put the Jumper back on and would that improve my speeds?

One obvious way to find out.

The Rate Max is 65MB/sec, everyone else reports 300MB+/sec??

No they dont when measured like you do below.

Do I have some setting in the BIOS wrong or even XP?

Looks like its fine the way it is.

HD Tune: ST3320620AS Benchmark
Transfer Rate Minimum : 37.2 MB/sec
Transfer Rate Maximum : 65.2 MB/sec
Transfer Rate Average : 58.0 MB/sec
Access Time : 13.2 ms
Burst Rate : 66.4 MB/sec
CPU Usage : 100.0%

Just doesn't seem right to be getting benchmarked
speeds that are 1/10th of other people.

No they arent.

Help please?

Yours Truly,
Crackles R. McFarly

I'd divorce my parents if I were you.

 

[Arno Wagner]

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS 320GB 16MB Cache SATA2 is very
slow.

I'm using asus's A8S-X board which doesn't allow SATA 2 so it defaults
to SATA 1.

When the Jumper is ON it forces it to go to SATA ONE, I have the
jumper OFF making it SATA TWO which the motherboard does not support.

But I read the motherboard simply defaults to SATA ONE whether the
Jumper is on or off, is this true?

Should I put the Jumper back on and would that improve my speeds?

The Rate Max is 65MB/sec, everyone else reports 300MB+/sec??

Do I have some setting in the BIOS wrong or even XP?

HD Tune: ST3320620AS Benchmark
Transfer Rate Minimum : 37.2 MB/sec
Transfer Rate Maximum : 65.2 MB/sec
Transfer Rate Average : 58.0 MB/sec
Access Time : 13.2 ms
Burst Rate : 66.4 MB/sec
CPU Usage : 100.0%

These speeds are normal. And they are not slow.

Or did you believe the HDD would be as fast as its interface? Not the
case. The interface is allways significanlty fdaster than the disk in
order for it to not slow the disk down.

Just doesn't seem right to be getting benchmarked speeds that are
1/10th of other people.

It seems you did not read these other benchmarks right.

Arno

 

[Crackles McFarly]

These speeds are normal. And they are not slow.

Or did you believe the HDD would be as fast as its interface? Not the
case. The interface is allways significanlty fdaster than the disk in
order for it to not slow the disk down.


It seems you did not read these other benchmarks right.

No, I read the correctly unless this benchmark website is overstating
results or downright lying.

http://techgage.com/print/seagate_barracuda_720010_320gb

What do you think?

 

[Crackles McFarly]

These speeds are normal. And they are not slow.

One more question.

Since my motherboard is NOT able to support sata II and I have it
jumpered for sata II should I put the jumper back ON so it reads as a
sata ONE drive?

Or is all this a lot of fooling around for nothing?

p.s. The motherboard is 'suppose to' see the sata II drive and then
immediately default it as sata ONE.

 

[Arno Wagner]

On 15 Jul 2007 06:51:53 GMT, Arno Wagner <[email protected]> sayd the
following:

No, I read the correctly unless this benchmark website is overstating
results or downright lying.

What do you think?

The benchmark results on this page are are just the same as yours
for comparable tests. Your burst rate is lower, but the burst
rate is particularly meaningless.

Arno

 

[Arno Wagner]

On 15 Jul 2007 06:51:53 GMT, Arno Wagner <[email protected]> sayd the
following:

One more question.

Since my motherboard is NOT able to support sata II and I have it
jumpered for sata II should I put the jumper back ON so it reads as a
sata ONE drive?

This jumper is only needed if automatic interface slowdown
does not work.

Or is all this a lot of fooling around for nothing?

It is. sata II does not have a speed advantage in all practical
access patterns at the moment. Unless you are using a port-multiplier
(several SATA disks over one cable), there is no point at all to
SATA II.

p.s. The motherboard is 'suppose to' see the sata II drive and then
immediately default it as sata ONE.

If the drive works, then it does.

Arno

 

[Michael Hawes]

This jumper is only needed if automatic interface slowdown
does not work.


It is. sata II does not have a speed advantage in all practical
access patterns at the moment. Unless you are using a port-multiplier
(several SATA disks over one cable), there is no point at all to
SATA II.


If the drive works, then it does.

Arno

What CPU? You are showing CPU 100%, that is NOT correct. Either
something is running on your system or you have some problem with drive
subsystem. Have you loaded the motherboard device drivers? What chipset is
it? Check in Device Manager that you have correct DMA mode.

Mike.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Nope, it's the other way around.

What CPU? You are showing CPU 100%, that is NOT correct.

Well, it is suspicious.

Either something is running on your system or you have some problem with drive
subsystem.

With the stock transfer rates he's getting, guess what.

Have you loaded the motherboard device drivers?

Corse he has.

What chipset is it?

Check in Device Manager that you have correct DMA mode.

So Hawes, which PIO mode gives you 65MB/s?

 

[Arno Wagner]

What CPU? You are showing CPU 100%, that is NOT correct.

But it is very unlikely to get 100% CPU and the speed the drive
is supposed to deliver. My guess would be that the CPU figure is
just wrong.

Either
something is running on your system or you have some problem with drive
subsystem. Have you loaded the motherboard device drivers? What chipset is
it? Check in Device Manager that you have correct DMA mode.

SATA does not have DMA modes.

Arno

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

But it is very unlikely to get 100% CPU and the speed the drive
is supposed to deliver.

Depends on what gets starved.

My guess would be that the CPU figure is just wrong.

SATA does not have DMA modes.

Babblebot, clueless as always.

The S in Sata doesn't, the ATA in SATA certainly does.
So babblebot, what are the new SATA commands to replace the legacy
ATA commands (which in themselves are all PIO) for PIO AND DMA.
And what does First Party DMA mean in your expert opinion.

HIGH SPEED SERIALIZED AT ATTACHMENT Page: 34
SerialATA Workgroup

5.2.4 IDENTIFY DEVICE command

In the IDENTIFY DEVICE command various parameters are communicated to the host from the
device. The following sections define those words that are different from and additions to the
ATA/ATAPI-5 standard definition of the data contents.

Table 2 – IDENTIFY DEVICE information

Word F/V

63
15-3 Set as indicated in ATA/ATAPI-5
F 2 1= Multiword DMA mode 2 and below are supported
F 1 1= Multiword DMA mode 1 and below are supported
F 0 1= Multiword DMA mode 0 is supported

64
15-2 Set as indicated in ATA/ATAPI-5
F 1-0 PIO modes 3 and 4 supported


88
15-5 Set as indicated in ATA/ATAPI-5
F 4 1=Ultra DMA mode 4 and below are supported
F 3 1=Ultra DMA mode 3 and below are supported
F 2 1=Ultra DMA mode 2 and below are supported
F 1 1=Ultra DMA mode 1 and below are supported
F 0 1=Ultra DMA mode 0 is supported

 

[Crackles McFarly]

Depends on what gets starved.



Babblebot, clueless as always.

The S in Sata doesn't, the ATA in SATA certainly does.
So babblebot, what are the new SATA commands to replace the legacy
ATA commands (which in themselves are all PIO) for PIO AND DMA.
And what does First Party DMA mean in your expert opinion.

HIGH SPEED SERIALIZED AT ATTACHMENT Page: 34
SerialATA Workgroup

5.2.4 IDENTIFY DEVICE command

In the IDENTIFY DEVICE command various parameters are communicated to the host from the
device. The following sections define those words that are different from and additions to the
ATA/ATAPI-5 standard definition of the data contents.

Table 2 – IDENTIFY DEVICE information

Word F/V

63
15-3 Set as indicated in ATA/ATAPI-5
F 2 1= Multiword DMA mode 2 and below are supported
F 1 1= Multiword DMA mode 1 and below are supported
F 0 1= Multiword DMA mode 0 is supported

64
15-2 Set as indicated in ATA/ATAPI-5
F 1-0 PIO modes 3 and 4 supported


88
15-5 Set as indicated in ATA/ATAPI-5
F 4 1=Ultra DMA mode 4 and below are supported
F 3 1=Ultra DMA mode 3 and below are supported
F 2 1=Ultra DMA mode 2 and below are supported
F 1 1=Ultra DMA mode 1 and below are supported
F 0 1=Ultra DMA mode 0 is supported

I don't know what all that means But in device manager it is ON DMA
right now with the option of downgrading to PIO mode which I'm not
going to do for obvious reasons.


MY question was mainly about the JUMPER SETTING as well as the
settings in the BIOS, most discussions were about other things.

I don't know why but that's how it worked out.


Yours Truly,
Crackles R. McFarly
It's a silly website but aren't they all?
http://cracklesmcfarly.blogspot.com/

 

[Arno Wagner]

I don't know what all that means

It is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

But in device manager it is ON DMA
right now with the option of downgrading to PIO mode which I'm not
going to do for obvious reasons.

An there is no reason to at all.

MY question was mainly about the JUMPER SETTING as well as the
settings in the BIOS, most discussions were about other things.

As I said, the jumper is only needed when the drive is not recognized
without it. SATA drive and controller should be able to negothiate
a slower speed if one of them is slower. The jumper is there in
case this does not work because of a partially broken implementation,
which was not too uncommon in the early days of SATA II.

Arno

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

It is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Because it shows you clueless, babblebot?
Then why did you bring it up.
Oh wait, you are babblebot, you have no control over yourself.

An there is no reason to at all.

Scared stiff that it might actually get slower and scatter your be-
liefs that there are no PIO and DMA modes in SATA, babblebot?

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

The benchmark results on this page are are just the same as yours
for comparable tests.

No it isn't.

Your burst rate is lower,

but the burst rate is particularly meaningless.

Babblebot a clueless moron, as always.

It's blatantly obvious that when a drive can do 76MB/s max
and it's 'only' doing ~65MB/s and the Burst Rate is also ~65 MB/s
that that drive is actually and obviously limited by that low burstrate.

Burstrate can be meaningless if it is defined by the drive itself.
Obviously that isn't the case here where the techgage benchmarks
show numbers in the 200+MB/s. So something is limiting that drive.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Nope.


I don't know what all that means

It means that babblebot is clueless, as always.

But in device manager it is ON DMA right now
with the option of downgrading to PIO mode

Which according to the babblebot won't make any
difference since SATA doesn't do PIO or DMA.

which I'm not going to do for obvious reasons.

Of course you won't. God forbid that you might actually
learn something *by doing*. Can't have that, can't we.

MY question was mainly about the JUMPER SETTING as well as
the settings in the BIOS, most discussions were about other things.

Yeah, people going out of their way avoiding to call you an idiot, or a troll even.

I don't know why but that's how it worked out.

Yeah, obvious exacerbated trolls like
"getting benchmarked speeds that are 1/10th of other people"
and
"The Rate Max is 65MB/sec, everyone else reports 300MB+/sec??"
obviously have nothing to do with that.

 

[Crackles McFarly]

Yeah, obvious exacerbated trolls like
"getting benchmarked speeds that are 1/10th of other people"
and
"The Rate Max is 65MB/sec, everyone else reports 300MB+/sec??"
obviously have nothing to do with that.

I'm not "trolling" but their would be no way to convince you or
others.


I'd imagine a troller would post OT and also post at least 5-10 times
per day...My average isn't near that.

Go ahead and think what you want though, I can't stop you.

 

[Crackles McFarly]

Scared stiff that it might actually get slower and scatter your be-
liefs that there are no PIO and DMA modes in SATA, babblebot?

WHO are you talking TO?

On my hard drive settings, this is a SATA drive, it clearly shows I am
under DMA mode. I could change to PIO mode is an option.

You sound harsh and smart ass, I don't think you should reply.