SATA Drives

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Hi all
Running XP Pro SP1
I have a mobo Intel D865PERL and suports SATA and Raid.
If i hook up my hard drives with SATA connections do i have to install
special drivers ?
I bought a adapter to convert IDE to SATA connections , not a permenent deal
but thought i could try the sata thing with my old hard drives.
Anyway my pc boots up and recognizes the drives ok BUT it takes a long time
to boot up.
I did not install any special drivers.
Have 1 gig of memory and 2.4C CPU.
Thanks
 
Hi Rich
Sorry to say the Intel site does nothing for me. Maybe i'm not reading the
right stuff , I spent 4 hrs reading just about everything there.
I will explain again what i want to do and what i did.
I have the Intel D865PERL board with 2.4 C ghz CPU , 1024 mbg ram , 60 gig
IDE hard drive.
What i did = I bought a IDE converter to Sata , hooked up my hard
drive with the SATA cable and power conections.
installed windows XP pro..
It boots up to the operating system ok but it takes about 2 minutes to
bootup.
Everything apears to work ok, but i didn't install any programs yet , just
windows. The BIOS recognizes the sata drive ok.
Why is it takeing so long to boot , do i need special drivers or something
else to operate it right the way i have it hooked up.
In other words i used SATA cables and hooked it up like IDE and installed
windows as i would in IDE mode.
Hope i explained my self good here.
thanks again.........Carl
Rich Barry said:
 
Hi Rich
No i am not trying to make a raid setup , just useing sata cables instead of
EIDE.
I did just take the sata cables off and installed the EIDE cables and PC
booted up in 37 seconds.
Still looking for answers on the slow boot with the SATA cables
Thanks again
Carl
Rich Barry said:
Carl, are you hooking up your drives in a Raid array? If not did you
try the regular IDE channels to see if your
boot time improved?
 
Hi all
I figured out my slow boot time.
Jumper wrong on hard drive, have to use cable select instead of master.
I have 2 WD hard drives , on one i need cable select and on the other i
don't need a jumper at all.
(if i can only remember that now).
Thanks a lot guys
Carl
 
Running XP Pro SP1
I have a mobo Intel D865PERL and suports SATA and Raid.
If i hook up my hard drives with SATA connections do i have to install
special drivers ?

No, but there may be other issues if you have already installed XP
while using the "normal" UIDE interface and now wish to use S-ATA
instead (for the installation's boot and/or system volumes).
I bought a adapter to convert IDE to SATA connections , not a permenent deal
but thought i could try the sata thing with my old hard drives.

I would NOT gratuitously change the HD interface of an existing XP
installation. I can't see the gain (it's lot like your old HDs will
become UIDE150 or hot-swappable) but I can see the pain.
Anyway my pc boots up and recognizes the drives ok BUT it takes a long time
to boot up.

Lucky to be alive, I'd say - I'd half-expect XP to lose the plot in
various ways, such as:
- WPA deciding your IDE controller had changed
- PnP redetection staorm
- invalidadtion of UIDE timing assumptions
- mis-enumeration of volumes and drive letters
I did not install any special drivers.
Have 1 gig of memory and 2.4C CPU.

Remember that the ability to hot-swap S-ATA hard drives (i.e. connect
and disconnect when PC is running, or even when "off" but still
plugged into mains power) requires:
- use of S-ATA data connection
- use of S-ATA power connection
- use of S-ATA hard drive

Specifically, if you use the old legacy translucent-white
yellow/black/black/red power connector to the HD, you CANNOT safely
swap in/out the HD while system is mains-powered, even if all other
S-ATA criteria are met. Note also that use of both S-ATA and legacy
power connectors on the same HD at the same time is documented to risk
blowing the HD up. Don't go there ;-)


If OTOH you were talking about building a new XP system using an S-ATA
drive (or legacy UIDE HD connected via S-ATA), the following applies!

[Drivers]

Earlier motherboards based on Intel's 845xx series motherboards
sometimes came with S-ATA, but this used 3rd-party chipset add-ons, so
extra drivers were needed. In my case, the motherboards I used had a
Promise chip added that offered S-ATA, or S-ATA + RAID 0/1.

Intel's 865xx chipsets differ in that S-ATA is now part of the Intel
chipset's core functionality. If you have installed Intel's chipset
drivers (starting with the .inf business) you have S-ATA support.

[BIOS / CMOS]

Before you let XP's Setup even smell the system, you need to make sure
your UIDE controller identities are sorted at the BIOS level.
Typically there will be BIOS/CMOS settings that go about:
- whether S-ATA is instead of, or in addition to, "normal" UIDE
- whether S-ATA operates as "normal", RAID 0, or RAID 1

Typically you'd connect the first S-ATA to your boot HD, leave the
Primary UIDE connector unused, and hook up your optical drives to the
Secondary UIDE connector. That way, the "UIDE Primary" would be your
HD on the S-ATA, and your "UIDE Secondary" would be the "normal"
Secondary UIDE channel. Keep the "normal" UIDE Primary unused.

[Disk prep]

I'd use BING or similar to prep the HD, as this is quicker and more
compitent (FAT32 > 32G support, aligns FATxx volumes correctly so
subsequent conversion to NTFS doesn't strand you with 512-byte
clusters) than XP's disk prep tools, and avoids the capacity issues
faced by MS's Win9x disk prep tools.

The idea is; you want to be certain that the correct HD is seen as the
"first" HD in the system at the BIOS bootability level, before XP gets
to smell the HDs or install anywhere. Else you could be in for a
world of pain; C: is seen as F: and can't be changed, etc.

When you use BING etc., make sure you explicitly set the primary as
active in MBR partition table, and that MBR system boot code is
present. Unless you need BING (or whatever) as a boot manager
(applies to multiple primary partition scenarios), don't "install" it;
just use it as a partitioning and imaging tool from diskette.

I ususally meet the above criteria via FDisk /MBR and Sys C: (assuming
C: is FATxx, either to stay that way or for conversion later).

[Installing XP]

Make sure the PC boots the correct HD and partition as "C:", and that
no other removable disks are present (especially bootable ones) - not
talking CDs here, but LS120, Zip, Jaz, USB flash, that sort of thing.
Make sure nothing other than 1.44M and CD are ahead of the boot HD in
CMOS Setup's boot order. This avoids problems later.

If BIOS cn boot HD, you can install XP with confidence. In the case
of non-RAID 865xx S-ATA, you definitely don't need to do anything when
the XP installation process prompts you about extra drivers required
to manage the boot drive. Just carry on and install XP, and once XP
is running, use the mobo's driver CD to install the Intel-specific
drivers, starting with Intel's .inf utility


So far I've built 865G and 875P systems using non-RAID S-ATA as
boot/system hard drives, using the approach outlined above, and one
system that used a non-RAID S-ATA HD for boot/system plus an
additional pair of S-ATA HDs as RAID 0 for data/workspace.

Touch wood, I've had none of the ghastly "my C: drive is seen as F:
and I can't chantge it!!" horror mileage I've read in the newsgroups!


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Typo correction follows!
I would NOT gratuitously change the HD interface of an existing XP
installation. I can't see the gain (it's NOT like your old HDs will
become UIDE150 or hot-swappable) but I can see the pain.

Sorry - that "lot" should be "NOT" as I've changed in the second line


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Hi cquirke
Sorry for the long delay in a response, been gone from home for a few days.
Didn,t have much luck useing the sata conections , instaling hard drives
with EIDE cables made my PC faster then the Sata connections.
Might have been do to the hard drive converters (EIDE to S ATA).
Guess i will have to waite to experment more after i get a regular S ATA
drive.I guess patching things like that isn't the way to go.
Just thought i could get by (cheap). HA HA
Thanks for all the info though
Carl
cquirke (MVP Win9x) said:
Running XP Pro SP1
I have a mobo Intel D865PERL and suports SATA and Raid.
If i hook up my hard drives with SATA connections do i have to install
special drivers ?

No, but there may be other issues if you have already installed XP
while using the "normal" UIDE interface and now wish to use S-ATA
instead (for the installation's boot and/or system volumes).
I bought a adapter to convert IDE to SATA connections , not a permenent deal
but thought i could try the sata thing with my old hard drives.

I would NOT gratuitously change the HD interface of an existing XP
installation. I can't see the gain (it's lot like your old HDs will
become UIDE150 or hot-swappable) but I can see the pain.
Anyway my pc boots up and recognizes the drives ok BUT it takes a long time
to boot up.

Lucky to be alive, I'd say - I'd half-expect XP to lose the plot in
various ways, such as:
- WPA deciding your IDE controller had changed
- PnP redetection staorm
- invalidadtion of UIDE timing assumptions
- mis-enumeration of volumes and drive letters
I did not install any special drivers.
Have 1 gig of memory and 2.4C CPU.

Remember that the ability to hot-swap S-ATA hard drives (i.e. connect
and disconnect when PC is running, or even when "off" but still
plugged into mains power) requires:
- use of S-ATA data connection
- use of S-ATA power connection
- use of S-ATA hard drive

Specifically, if you use the old legacy translucent-white
yellow/black/black/red power connector to the HD, you CANNOT safely
swap in/out the HD while system is mains-powered, even if all other
S-ATA criteria are met. Note also that use of both S-ATA and legacy
power connectors on the same HD at the same time is documented to risk
blowing the HD up. Don't go there ;-)


If OTOH you were talking about building a new XP system using an S-ATA
drive (or legacy UIDE HD connected via S-ATA), the following applies!

[Drivers]

Earlier motherboards based on Intel's 845xx series motherboards
sometimes came with S-ATA, but this used 3rd-party chipset add-ons, so
extra drivers were needed. In my case, the motherboards I used had a
Promise chip added that offered S-ATA, or S-ATA + RAID 0/1.

Intel's 865xx chipsets differ in that S-ATA is now part of the Intel
chipset's core functionality. If you have installed Intel's chipset
drivers (starting with the .inf business) you have S-ATA support.

[BIOS / CMOS]

Before you let XP's Setup even smell the system, you need to make sure
your UIDE controller identities are sorted at the BIOS level.
Typically there will be BIOS/CMOS settings that go about:
- whether S-ATA is instead of, or in addition to, "normal" UIDE
- whether S-ATA operates as "normal", RAID 0, or RAID 1

Typically you'd connect the first S-ATA to your boot HD, leave the
Primary UIDE connector unused, and hook up your optical drives to the
Secondary UIDE connector. That way, the "UIDE Primary" would be your
HD on the S-ATA, and your "UIDE Secondary" would be the "normal"
Secondary UIDE channel. Keep the "normal" UIDE Primary unused.

[Disk prep]

I'd use BING or similar to prep the HD, as this is quicker and more
compitent (FAT32 > 32G support, aligns FATxx volumes correctly so
subsequent conversion to NTFS doesn't strand you with 512-byte
clusters) than XP's disk prep tools, and avoids the capacity issues
faced by MS's Win9x disk prep tools.

The idea is; you want to be certain that the correct HD is seen as the
"first" HD in the system at the BIOS bootability level, before XP gets
to smell the HDs or install anywhere. Else you could be in for a
world of pain; C: is seen as F: and can't be changed, etc.

When you use BING etc., make sure you explicitly set the primary as
active in MBR partition table, and that MBR system boot code is
present. Unless you need BING (or whatever) as a boot manager
(applies to multiple primary partition scenarios), don't "install" it;
just use it as a partitioning and imaging tool from diskette.

I ususally meet the above criteria via FDisk /MBR and Sys C: (assuming
C: is FATxx, either to stay that way or for conversion later).

[Installing XP]

Make sure the PC boots the correct HD and partition as "C:", and that
no other removable disks are present (especially bootable ones) - not
talking CDs here, but LS120, Zip, Jaz, USB flash, that sort of thing.
Make sure nothing other than 1.44M and CD are ahead of the boot HD in
CMOS Setup's boot order. This avoids problems later.

If BIOS cn boot HD, you can install XP with confidence. In the case
of non-RAID 865xx S-ATA, you definitely don't need to do anything when
the XP installation process prompts you about extra drivers required
to manage the boot drive. Just carry on and install XP, and once XP
is running, use the mobo's driver CD to install the Intel-specific
drivers, starting with Intel's .inf utility


So far I've built 865G and 875P systems using non-RAID S-ATA as
boot/system hard drives, using the approach outlined above, and one
system that used a non-RAID S-ATA HD for boot/system plus an
additional pair of S-ATA HDs as RAID 0 for data/workspace.

Touch wood, I've had none of the ghastly "my C: drive is seen as F:
and I can't chantge it!!" horror mileage I've read in the newsgroups!


--------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -
Dreams are stack dumps of the soul
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Hi cquirke
Hi!

Didn,t have much luck useing the sata conections , instaling hard drives
with EIDE cables made my PC faster then the Sata connections.
Might have been do to the hard drive converters (EIDE to S ATA).

Could be - I know the olde HD removable brackets weren't rated over
UIDE33 because the extra contacts posed something of a hurdle
electronically. Maybe the connect-as-SATA has the same ort of effect,
or the UIDE sees it as a 40pin cable and backs off the speed
Just thought i could get by (cheap). HA HA

;-)

You won't have long to wait - the delta between S-ATA and UIDE 120G
(with 8M and 3-year) is dropping all the time!


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