S-ATA & IDE setup help

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At the moment I have my 200GB SATA drive on SATA-1(IDE CHANNEL 3 master).
This drive has windows installed on it, and is the only Hard drive in my PC.

On IDE channel 1 master I have my DVD Drive.

I need to install a 250GB IDE Hard Drive, for storage. I'm not too sure on
which channel it should go? IDE Channel 1 Master and then move the DVD to
slave?

On another note, the is the first time I've used a SATA drive in any system.
There's always a little icon in the system tray "safely remove hard drive",
this seems a little scarey to be constantly there? is it normal?
 
mark posted:
On another note, the is the first time I've used a SATA drive in any
system. There's always a little icon in the system tray "safely
remove hard drive", this seems a little scarey to be constantly
there? is it normal?
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AFAIK you can hot-swap SATA drives safely, provided you stop them
first... that's what the icon is telling you. As with USB

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Hi Mark,

You will need to put the hard drive on as a master then the DVD as slave.
The slave on an IDE channel is always regulated by the speed of the master,
your DVD is ATA33 and the HD is probably ATA100 or 133, if the DVD was
master then your hd would only run at ATA33.

Shiva
 
Remo-Shiva said:
Hi Mark,

You will need to put the hard drive on as a master then the DVD as slave.
The slave on an IDE channel is always regulated by the speed of the master,
your DVD is ATA33 and the HD is probably ATA100 or 133, if the DVD was
master then your hd would only run at ATA33.
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Is this still true? I keep seeing things like this being posted on
USENet, but I thought that on modern IDE channels it didn't matter what
was master and what was slave as far as speed was concerned. Except of
course that if both devices were transferring simultaneously there would
be loss.

dick
 
from the wonderful person said:
Is this still true?
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No. And it has not been for years.
I keep seeing things like this being posted on USENet, but I thought
that on modern IDE channels it didn't matter what was master and what
was slave as far as speed was concerned.
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It doesn't. Urban legends persist for a long time, and nobody ever
bothers to actually try testing them.
Except of course that if both devices were transferring simultaneously
there would be loss.
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True.
 
mark said:
At the moment I have my 200GB SATA drive on SATA-1(IDE CHANNEL 3 master).
This drive has windows installed on it, and is the only Hard drive in my PC.

On IDE channel 1 master I have my DVD Drive.

I need to install a 250GB IDE Hard Drive, for storage. I'm not too sure on
which channel it should go? IDE Channel 1 Master and then move the DVD to
slave?
Click to expand...

I would put the new HD on IDE Channel 2 Master.

You could swap the DVD to Channel 2 and put the HD on Channel 1, but I don't
think it matters, since you boot from SATA.
 
GSV Three Minds in a Can said:
No. And it has not been for years.
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AFAIK, not ever, in fact.

For years, the specifications haven't even referred to the devices as
"master" and "slave", but simply as "device 0" and "device 1". That is, in
the few places that it matters.

Alex
 
from the wonderful person said:
AFAIK, not ever, in fact.
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You could well be right, but I couldn't say that 'for sure' since I was
not in a position to test all the original dumb motherboard/BIOS
combinations. I believe there =were= some ('way back when') which were
dumb enough to say 'If there is a PIO device on IDE channel 1 then I
refuse to use DMA on any other device on that channel' .. but that's
pure hearsay.

And that's PIO vs DMA, not DMA Mode 1 vs Mode 3 or anything more recent.
 
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You could well be right, but I couldn't say that 'for sure' since I was
not in a position to test all the original dumb motherboard/BIOS
combinations. I believe there =were= some ('way back when') which were
dumb enough to say 'If there is a PIO device on IDE channel 1 then I
refuse to use DMA on any other device on that channel' .. but that's
pure hearsay.
Noted.

And that's PIO vs DMA, not DMA Mode 1 vs Mode 3 or anything more recent.
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It's also not master speed regulating slave speed, but a variation of the
above seems no less likely (ie if the master is PIO only, the slave will be
communicated with using PIO only regardless of capability).

In case it wasn't apparent, I was speaking in terms of what the
specifications require. So, to clarify my original comment: AFAIK, no
version of the ATA spec has ever imposed a limit on slave (device 1) mode
due to master (device 0) mode.

Alex
 
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