S.A.R.T. ? or...

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I have S.M.A.R.T. enabled on both my Maxtor drives (resp. 40 and 80
Gb)

The program "acticeSmart" shows me the parameters.
Now for the 40 Gb drive it shows a temerature of 45 celsius, and for
the 80 Gb it shows 21 celsius (well below max. admissible 55, but...)
The drives are positioned flat, stacked, about 1 inch space between
them

I have a fan blowing along both, into the space too, rather directly.

Ambient temp. may be 27 celsius
I do not think the 80 Gb one has freon cooling inside ;-)
so why the difference ???

Btw: We have the severest heatwave in many many years. About everyone
here is pre-occupied with heat. Computers and old people have hughe
problems with it.
Friend had a disk dying on her...
 
Osiris wrote
I have S.M.A.R.T. enabled on both my Maxtor drives (resp. 40 and 80 Gb)
Click to expand...
The program "acticeSmart" shows me the parameters.
Now for the 40 Gb drive it shows a temerature of 45 celsius, and for
the 80 Gb it shows 21 celsius (well below max. admissible 55, but...)
The drives are positioned flat, stacked, about 1 inch space between them
Click to expand...
I have a fan blowing along both, into the space too, rather directly.
Click to expand...
Ambient temp. may be 27 celsius
I do not think the 80 Gb one has freon cooling inside ;-)
so why the difference ???
Click to expand...

Something's getting the temp of the second Maxtor wrong.

See what Everest has to say.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181
 
BTW, here is some SMART data from Everest, for both drives. The second
table looks weird...

==================================
[ MAXTOR 6L040J2 (662131433693) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 20 100 253 0
OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 20 81 79 2470
OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 8 100 100 646
OK: Value is normal
05 Reallocated Sector Count 20 100 99 0
OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 23 100 1 0
OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 1 50 50 33060
OK: Value is normal
0A Spin Retry Count 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
0B Calibration Retry Count 20 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 8 100 100 564
OK: Value is normal
0D Soft Read Error Rate 23 100 93 0
OK: Value is normal
C2 Temperature 42 84 68 41
OK: Value is normal
C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 100 1 1922658515
OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 20 100 253 0
OK: Value is normal
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 20 100 99 0
OK: Value is normal
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 253 0
OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 1 1 15312
OK: Always passing

[ Maxtor 6Y080P0 (Y25F3SPC) ]

03 Spin Up Time 63 226 226 7951
OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 253 253 220
OK: Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 63 253 253 0
OK: Value is normal
06 Read Channel Margin 100 253 253 0
OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
08 Seek Time Performance 187 253 248 55945
OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 231 231 4168
OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 157 253 252 0
OK: Value is normal
0B Calibration Retry Count 223 253 252 0
OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 253 253 192
OK: Always passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 253 253 19
OK: Always passing
C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 253 252 2390
OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 199 199 0
OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
C9 <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
CA <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
CB <vendor-specific> 180 253 252 0
OK: Value is normal
CC <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
CD <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
CF <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
D0 <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
D1 <vendor-specific> 0 192 191 0
OK: Always passing
63 <vendor-specific> 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
64 <vendor-specific> 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
65 <vendor-specific> 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
 
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:44:47 +0200, Osiris <> wrote:

BTW, here is some SMART data from Everest, for both drives. The second
table looks weird...

==================================
[ MAXTOR 6L040J2 (662131433693) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 20 100 253 0
OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 20 81 79 2470
OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 8 100 100 646
OK: Value is normal
05 Reallocated Sector Count 20 100 99 0
OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 23 100 1 0
OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 1 50 50 33060
OK: Value is normal
0A Spin Retry Count 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
0B Calibration Retry Count 20 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 8 100 100 564
OK: Value is normal
0D Soft Read Error Rate 23 100 93 0
OK: Value is normal
C2 Temperature 42 84 68 41
OK: Value is normal
C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 100 1 1922658515
OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 20 100 253 0
OK: Value is normal
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 20 100 99 0
OK: Value is normal
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 253 0
OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 1 1 15312
OK: Always passing

[ Maxtor 6Y080P0 (Y25F3SPC) ]

03 Spin Up Time 63 226 226 7951
OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 253 253 220
OK: Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 63 253 253 0
OK: Value is normal
06 Read Channel Margin 100 253 253 0
OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
08 Seek Time Performance 187 253 248 55945
OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 231 231 4168
OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 157 253 252 0
OK: Value is normal
0B Calibration Retry Count 223 253 252 0
OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 253 253 192
OK: Always passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 253 253 19
OK: Always passing
C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 253 252 2390
OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 199 199 0
OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
C9 <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
CA <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
CB <vendor-specific> 180 253 252 0
OK: Value is normal
CC <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
CD <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
CF <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
D0 <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
D1 <vendor-specific> 0 192 191 0
OK: Always passing
63 <vendor-specific> 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
64 <vendor-specific> 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
65 <vendor-specific> 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
 
Osiris wrote
BTW, here is some SMART data from Everest, for both drives.
The second table looks weird...
Click to expand...

Yeah, looks like some stuffup on Maxtor's part with the temperature
sensor particularly, or its become disconnected internally or something.

Seeing what other Maxtor 6Y080P0 drives report
temperature wise should distinguish between those two.

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&c2coff=1&q=6Y080P0+"C2+Temperature"
http://groups.google.com.au/groups/search?hl=en&c2coff=1&q=6Y080P0+"C2+Temperature"
shows some much more plausible temps, so likely your sensor has
come off etc or its a dud firmware version thats manages to lose that.
==================================
[ MAXTOR 6L040J2 (662131433693) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 20 100 253 0
OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 20 81 79 2470
OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 8 100 100 646
OK: Value is normal
05 Reallocated Sector Count 20 100 99 0
OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 23 100 1 0
OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 1 50 50 33060
OK: Value is normal
0A Spin Retry Count 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
0B Calibration Retry Count 20 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 8 100 100 564
OK: Value is normal
0D Soft Read Error Rate 23 100 93 0
OK: Value is normal
C2 Temperature 42 84 68 41
OK: Value is normal
C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 100 1 1922658515
OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 20 100 253 0
OK: Value is normal
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 20 100 99 0
OK: Value is normal
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 253 0
OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 1 1 15312
OK: Always passing

[ Maxtor 6Y080P0 (Y25F3SPC) ]

03 Spin Up Time 63 226 226 7951
OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 253 253 220
OK: Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 63 253 253 0
OK: Value is normal
06 Read Channel Margin 100 253 253 0
OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
08 Seek Time Performance 187 253 248 55945
OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 231 231 4168
OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 157 253 252 0
OK: Value is normal
0B Calibration Retry Count 223 253 252 0
OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 253 253 192
OK: Always passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 253 253 19
OK: Always passing
C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 253 252 2390
OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 199 199 0
OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
C9 <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
CA <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
CB <vendor-specific> 180 253 252 0
OK: Value is normal
CC <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
CD <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
CF <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
D0 <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0
OK: Always passing
D1 <vendor-specific> 0 192 191 0
OK: Always passing
63 <vendor-specific> 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
64 <vendor-specific> 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
65 <vendor-specific> 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
Click to expand...
 
I have S.M.A.R.T. enabled on both my Maxtor drives (resp. 40 and 80
Gb)

The program "acticeSmart" shows me the parameters.
Now for the 40 Gb drive it shows a temerature of 45 celsius, and for
the 80 Gb it shows 21 celsius (well below max. admissible 55, but...)
The drives are positioned flat, stacked, about 1 inch space between
them

I have a fan blowing along both, into the space too, rather directly.

Ambient temp. may be 27 celsius
Click to expand...

Hard disk temperature can't be lower than ambient temperature! It does not
make sense... Something wrong with the sensor.
 
Exactly why I posted this question.
Click to expand...

Manufacturers can vary in how (where, particularly) they
measure the temp, and what meaning they give to the temp.
If their goal is not to report the temp of the discrete
component measuring the temp but rather to approximate some
other temp, they may impose a numeric offset. For example
if the temp measured is 50C in a chip but they want to
report what they feel is the average, they might subtract
whatever their test shows should be the offset- maybe 5C
less, or maybe a different value.

When using an offset, it is typical that the further the
ambient temp and/or airflow gets from the environment used
to derive the offset value, the more inaccurate (if it ever
was to be considered accurate in the first place) the
resultant additive measured+offset temp will be.

That's if everything works right... which it doesn't always.

Best advice is to touch-test the chips on your hard drive
PCB, while your hands are dry (moisture (sweat) wiped off
immediately before doing it) and your other hand has
discharged static on a ground, like the drive frame or the
system case bare metal. If you can leave your finger on a
part for more than 4 seconds, it's probably cool enough (or
you have very thick callouses), though if it is easy enough
to add more cooling, better to err on the safe side.
 
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