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IE9 will support rounded corners! Now this must be progress by M$
programmers:

"As we improve support in IE for technologies that site developers use,
the score will continue to go up. A more meaningful (from the point of
view of web developers) example of standards support involves rounded
corners. Here’s IE9 drawing rounded corners, along with the underlying
mark-up:"

<http://ieblog.members.winisp.net/images/Dean_PDC_4.png>

The full article is here:

<http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/11/18/an-early-look-at-ie9-for-developers.aspx>
 
IE9 will support rounded corners! Now this must be progress by M$
programmers:
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No more using images. Great. But it will be proprietary, which means your
rounded corners will not work in all browsers.

Peace and Grace,

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Gregory A. Beamer (MVP)

Twitter: @gbworld
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It will be as standard as it can be, considering CSS3 is still in draft.
Firefox and others added this feature earlier, but they did it in different
ways and in a way that does not comply with the current CSS3 draft
("-moz-border-radius", "-webkit-border-radius",
"-moz-border-radius-topright", etc.). The markup shown in that IE9 blog is
consistent with CSS3 draft as of Oct 2009,
(http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-background/#the-border-radius ). This is one case
where you blame the other browsers, not IE.
 
It will be as standard as it can be, considering CSS3 is still in
draft. Firefox and others added this feature earlier, but they did it
in different ways and in a way that does not comply with the current
CSS3 draft ("-moz-border-radius", "-webkit-border-radius",
"-moz-border-radius-topright", etc.). The markup shown in that IE9
blog is consistent with CSS3 draft as of Oct 2009,
(http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-background/#the-border-radius ). This is
one case where you blame the other browsers, not IE.
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Standards compliance is a rather difficult refactor, esp. if you solved
the problem prior to the standard. The difficulty is exacerbated by
having to not break the "older" method when you institute the new.
Fortuantely, MS is behind the curve here and focusing on the future
standard (which probably won't change).

Peace and Grace,


--
Gregory A. Beamer (MVP)

Twitter: @gbworld
Blog: http://gregorybeamer.spaces.live.com

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On Dec 11, 11:33 am, "Gregory A. Beamer"
Standards compliance is a rather difficult refactor, esp. if you solved
the problem prior to the standard. The difficulty is exacerbated by
having to not break the "older" method when you institute the new.
Fortuantely, MS is behind the curve here and focusing on the future
standard (which probably won't change).

Peace and Grace,
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Does it make sense to worry about standards compliance in a Frontpage
forum?

www.richardfisher.com
 
Helpful said:
Does it make sense to worry about standards compliance in a Frontpage

forum?
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Sure. standards are very important in web design technology because
there are many browsers out there and without standards, we would not be
able to service our customers because they may not be using the browser
for which the web was intended for.

Up to now Mcrosoft only cared about its own standards but it seems the
competition is catching up with them. It can no longer take for granted
that everybody is or should be using IE!.

hth
 
Replicated in Mozilla and the CSS code is here:

-moz-border-radius-topleft: 100px;
-webkit-border-top-left-radius: 100px;
-moz-border-radius-topright: 66.66px;
-webkit-border-top-right-radius: 66.66px;
-moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 50px;
-webkit-border-bottom-left-radius: 50px;
-moz-border-radius-bottomright: 200px;
-webkit-border-bottom-right-radius: 200px;
border-left: 5px orange double;
border-right: 5px orange double;
border-top: 5px orange double;
border-bottom: 5px orange double;
padding-bottom: 24px;
padding-left: 24px;
padding-right: 24px;
padding-top: 24px;
background-color: #ccc;
width: 780px;
 
We know Mozilla does that. IE9 will be doing it per the CSS3 spec, not by a
proprietary method (such as Mozilla's). That's the only point I was making.
 
Does it make sense to worry about standards compliance in a Frontpage
forum?
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Only if you think web designers should worry about compliance.

Peace and Grace,

--
Gregory A. Beamer (MVP)

Twitter: @gbworld
Blog: http://gregorybeamer.spaces.live.com

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Helpful said:
If they are worried about compliance they are probably should not be
using front page.
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Correct. Microsoft anticipated your opinion to be posted on FP
newsgroups so few years ago (well before you decided to cough it out!)
released a new product called Expression Web. This new product has
replaced FP 2003 and it uses the latest W3 Standards. I suggest you
better get into it as you will certainly enjoy it using html and css to
style your webpage. CSS is an art which will keep you entertained and
make you highly creative.

For a starter if you want to know what CSS can do for you, I suggest
read this article/tutorial and actually doing something using your computer:

http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/011/firstcss

You don't need any tools except a web browser and notepad.

Good luck and let us know how did you get on with it..
 
Correct.  Microsoft anticipated your opinion to be posted on FP
newsgroups so few years ago (well before you decided to cough it out!)
released a new product called Expression Web.  This new product has
replaced FP 2003 and it uses the latest W3 Standards.  I suggest you
better get into it as you will certainly enjoy it using html and css to
style your webpage.  CSS is an art which will keep you entertained and
make you highly creative.

For a starter if you want to know what CSS can do for you, I suggest
read this article/tutorial and actually doing something using your computer:

http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/011/firstcss

You don't need any tools except a web browser and notepad.

Good luck and let us know how did you get on with it..
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You must be kidding! Why would I want to use a third party program
rather than HTML, CSS and Javascript? Even if it really is standards
compliant it will not create code as succint as using the basic
languages.

www.richardfisher.com
 
Helpful said:
You must be kidding! Why would I want to use a third party program
rather than HTML, CSS and Javascript? Even if it really is standards
compliant it will not create code as succint as using the basic
languages.
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Well Mr HelpfulPerson,

where the hell did you get the idea that I was recommending a third
party program? CAN YOU READ?

I was indeed recommending you to use HTML and CSS. I don't think you
should use javascript because looking at your website, all you need is a
Notepad (Microsoft free product already on your windows OS) and any
browser (again all free).

You seem to have very serious learning difficulties because in my short
message, you came to the conclusion that I am recommending a third
party program. Have you seen your doctor about your problems?
 
Well Mr HelpfulPerson,

where the hell did you get the idea that I was recommending a third
party program?  CAN YOU READ?

I was indeed recommending you to use HTML and CSS.  I don't  think you
should use javascript because looking at your website, all you need is a
Notepad (Microsoft free product already on your windows OS) and any
browser (again all free).

You seem to have very serious learning difficulties because in my short
message,  you came to the conclusion that I am recommending a third
party program.  Have you seen your doctor about your problems?
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I thought you suggested I use Expression Web.

www.richardfisher.com
 
Helpful said:
I thought you suggested I use Expression Web.
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Have you been hearing voices again? If so then the problem is best
solved by a psychiatry (or whatever they call these days). We are not
in a position to help you on that front.

Expression Web is good tool but if you are suffering from learning
difficulties then I suggest stick with FP 2003 for now.
 
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