Paul said:Whenever the standard windows file dialog box opens, called by any program
whatsoever, the entries appear in reverser order; i.e., files first, in
reverse alphabetical order, followed by the sub-folders
How do I get back to normal
Frank said:Incorrect Sort Order in Windows Explorer in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/318872
Poprivet said:Frank, I believe the OP means that ONLY dialog boxes have the reverse
order; not everything. The reference you gave seems to apply to pre-SP1
and 2 versions of XP.
I've had the same issues for some time now myself; no matter how many
times you go to Details and set it correctly, the setting never "sticks",
even for subsequent uses of that same window.
Somehow, it only applies to dialog boxes with a file/folder display.
I -think- in my case it originated with the installation of a genealogy
program (RootsMagic) but it could also have been a coincidence; who knows?
I thought, for that program, it was good since you didn't have to dig tru
the folders first to get to the files, but for most other apps it's quite
an annoyance. Not to mention confusing when you go trapsing off in the
wrong direction and discover you went the wrong direction <g>.
Any other thoughts?
Regards,
Tom`
Wesley said:ShellState gets messed up is what causes it.
"Ctrl + Close button
Sets the system default settings, mainly sort order. Icon style is not
affected"
from David Candy
Ctrl + Close [X] saves folder settings. Sometimes the settings are
saved anyway, but Ctrl + Close is added insurance. I use Ctrl +
Close all of the time just out of habit.
Sets a couple of bits in ShellState here...
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer
Doug Knox's xp_shellstate.reg also resets the ShellState.
ShellState is a hex number that has 36 bits, if I counted correctly. Two
of those bits are used for sorting (20? & 21?). I "think" that
the Members in the following link correspond to the bits.
Two of those...
<quote>
lParamSort
The column to sort by.
iSortDirection
Alphabetical sort direction for the column specified by lParamSort.
Use 1 for an ascending sort, -1 for a descending sort.
<quote>
from...
SHELLSTATE Structure
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d...orm/shell/reference/structures/shellstate.asp
Gives the value for ShellState with the wrong number of bits (28) for
XP... Contents of the Open and Save As Dialog Boxes Sorted Incorrectly
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/233526
"ShellState" author:david author:candy
http://groups.google.com/groups?q="...1&as_maxd=15&as_maxm=4&as_maxy=2007&safe=off&
InPoprivet said:Hi Wesley,
Thanks, you helped me solve an annoyance I've had for some time, but
it didnt' go smoothly in my case. I was particularly intrigued by
the CTRL-Xbutton(close) statement, too; I'd never heard of it
before. In fact, I still don't know what it does unless it's just a
make-them-all-alike shortcut?
I only provide this info as sort of an FYI in case it matters to
anything, or should you have any comments you feel like making. I'm
just very happy to be finally rid of that annoyance!
At first restart, your fix seemed to work. But then I noticed
Windows Explorer had the sort order reversed. So, I corrected that,
used the CTRL-Xbutton again, and did a Restart.
Hmm, NOW the dialog boxes had reversed again. Back to Explorer,
and it looked OK. So I tried the process again; no change.
THEN I happened to notice that C:\ was sorted properly, but ALL of
the subfolders of ANY subfolder under C:\ was NOT, they were all
reverse sorted! And of course, Dialog Boxes were still sorted wrong.
So, with nothing to lose, I went back to Explorer and set a
subfolder to be properly sorted and used Tools, Apply to All
Folders. Then I did a Restart, and now, -finally-, all is fine! I
was prepared to repeat the instructions you provided, but didn't
have to. So far, three more Restarts later, all is fine; all sort
orders are as they should be. I -think- the conditional is that
one should run the Tools; Apply to All Folders before running the
fix. As I mentioned to, I think it was Frank, I -think- this sorting
issue
started with the install of an application for genealogy, but I
can't be certain. I'm going to purposely not run that program for a
few days to be sure this fix holds. If it does, I'll try a
reinstall of that app to see if it recreates the problem. At least
I'll know what causes the problem then, assuming it does, and what
to do about it. <g>. Regards,
Pop`
Poprivet said:Hmm, thank you. Those are good leads and look like something interesting
to follow up on for my own edge-a-cashun. There is more to it than I
thought there would be: Nuttin' new 'bout that! <g>
Best Regards,
Pop`
Wesley said:ShellState gets messed up is what causes it.
"Ctrl + Close button
Sets the system default settings, mainly sort order. Icon style is not
affected"
from David Candy
Ctrl + Close [X] saves folder settings. Sometimes the settings are
saved anyway, but Ctrl + Close is added insurance. I use Ctrl +
Close all of the time just out of habit.
Sets a couple of bits in ShellState here...
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer
Doug Knox's xp_shellstate.reg also resets the ShellState.
ShellState is a hex number that has 36 bits, if I counted correctly. Two
of those bits are used for sorting (20? & 21?). I "think" that
the Members in the following link correspond to the bits.
Two of those...
<quote>
lParamSort
The column to sort by.
iSortDirection
Alphabetical sort direction for the column specified by lParamSort.
Use 1 for an ascending sort, -1 for a descending sort.
<quote>
from...
SHELLSTATE Structure
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d...orm/shell/reference/structures/shellstate.asp
Gives the value for ShellState with the wrong number of bits (28) for
XP... Contents of the Open and Save As Dialog Boxes Sorted Incorrectly
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/233526
"ShellState" author:david author:candy
http://groups.google.com/groups?q="...1&as_maxd=15&as_maxm=4&as_maxy=2007&safe=off&
InPoprivet said:Hi Wesley,
Thanks, you helped me solve an annoyance I've had for some time, but
it didnt' go smoothly in my case. I was particularly intrigued by
the CTRL-Xbutton(close) statement, too; I'd never heard of it
before. In fact, I still don't know what it does unless it's just a
make-them-all-alike shortcut?
I only provide this info as sort of an FYI in case it matters to
anything, or should you have any comments you feel like making. I'm
just very happy to be finally rid of that annoyance!
At first restart, your fix seemed to work. But then I noticed
Windows Explorer had the sort order reversed. So, I corrected that,
used the CTRL-Xbutton again, and did a Restart.
Hmm, NOW the dialog boxes had reversed again. Back to Explorer,
and it looked OK. So I tried the process again; no change.
THEN I happened to notice that C:\ was sorted properly, but ALL of
the subfolders of ANY subfolder under C:\ was NOT, they were all
reverse sorted! And of course, Dialog Boxes were still sorted wrong.
So, with nothing to lose, I went back to Explorer and set a
subfolder to be properly sorted and used Tools, Apply to All
Folders. Then I did a Restart, and now, -finally-, all is fine! I
was prepared to repeat the instructions you provided, but didn't
have to. So far, three more Restarts later, all is fine; all sort
orders are as they should be. I -think- the conditional is that
one should run the Tools; Apply to All Folders before running the
fix. As I mentioned to, I think it was Frank, I -think- this sorting
issue
started with the install of an application for genealogy, but I
can't be certain. I'm going to purposely not run that program for a
few days to be sure this fix holds. If it does, I'll try a
reinstall of that app to see if it recreates the problem. At least
I'll know what causes the problem then, assuming it does, and what
to do about it. <g>. Regards,
Pop`
Wesley Vogel wrote:
Restore Sort order in Open and Save dialogs
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/scripts_desc/xp_opensaveorder.htm
Or...
<quote>
To resolve this behavior, reset the default sort order:
1. Right-click Start, click Explore and then click drive C.
2. On the View menu, click Details.
3. Click the Name column to sort items by name, press and hold down
the CTRL key, and then quit Windows Explorer by clicking Close in
the upper-right corner of the screen.
4. Release the CTRL key.
5. Restart your computer.
NOTE: You must perform these steps exactly as they are listed. For
example, do not quit Windows Explorer by clicking Exit on the File
menu. <quote>
from...
Items in "Open" and "Save As" Dialog Boxes Sorted Incorrectly
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/229070
In Paul <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
Whenever the standard windows file dialog box opens, called by any
program whatsoever, the entries appear in reverser order; i.e.,
files first, in reverse alphabetical order, followed by the
sub-folders How do I get back to normal
Wesley said:UserPreferencesMask is another one that uses multiple bits for many
settings.
UserPreferencesMask
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/reskit/regentry/55198.mspx?mfr=true
Settings here is another.
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\
Explorer\StuckRects2
See...
The Classic Start Menu is more complicated.
here...
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize/msg/69a7c561cde0897b?hl=en
InPoprivet said:Hmm, thank you. Those are good leads and look like something
interesting to follow up on for my own edge-a-cashun. There is more
to it than I thought there would be: Nuttin' new 'bout that! <g>
Best Regards,
Pop`
Wesley said:ShellState gets messed up is what causes it.
"Ctrl + Close button
Sets the system default settings, mainly sort order. Icon style is
not affected"
from David Candy
Ctrl + Close [X] saves folder settings. Sometimes the settings are
saved anyway, but Ctrl + Close is added insurance. I use Ctrl +
Close all of the time just out of habit.
Sets a couple of bits in ShellState here...
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer
Doug Knox's xp_shellstate.reg also resets the ShellState.
ShellState is a hex number that has 36 bits, if I counted
correctly. Two of those bits are used for sorting (20? & 21?). I
"think" that the Members in the following link correspond to the bits.
Two of those...
<quote>
lParamSort
The column to sort by.
iSortDirection
Alphabetical sort direction for the column specified by lParamSort.
Use 1 for an ascending sort, -1 for a descending sort.
<quote>
from...
SHELLSTATE Structure
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d...orm/shell/reference/structures/shellstate.asp
Gives the value for ShellState with the wrong number of bits (28)
for XP... Contents of the Open and Save As Dialog Boxes Sorted
Incorrectly http://support.microsoft.com/kb/233526
"ShellState" author:david author:candy
http://groups.google.com/groups?q="...1&as_maxd=15&as_maxm=4&as_maxy=2007&safe=off&
In Poprivet <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
Hi Wesley,
Thanks, you helped me solve an annoyance I've had for some time,
but it didnt' go smoothly in my case. I was particularly
intrigued by the CTRL-Xbutton(close) statement, too; I'd never
heard of it before. In fact, I still don't know what it does
unless it's just a make-them-all-alike shortcut?
I only provide this info as sort of an FYI in case it matters to
anything, or should you have any comments you feel like making. I'm
just very happy to be finally rid of that annoyance!
At first restart, your fix seemed to work. But then I noticed
Windows Explorer had the sort order reversed. So, I corrected
that, used the CTRL-Xbutton again, and did a Restart.
Hmm, NOW the dialog boxes had reversed again. Back to Explorer,
and it looked OK. So I tried the process again; no change.
THEN I happened to notice that C:\ was sorted properly, but ALL
of the subfolders of ANY subfolder under C:\ was NOT, they were all
reverse sorted! And of course, Dialog Boxes were still sorted
wrong. So, with nothing to lose, I went back to Explorer and set a
subfolder to be properly sorted and used Tools, Apply to All
Folders. Then I did a Restart, and now, -finally-, all is fine! I
was prepared to repeat the instructions you provided, but didn't
have to. So far, three more Restarts later, all is fine; all sort
orders are as they should be. I -think- the conditional is that
one should run the Tools; Apply to All Folders before running the
fix. As I mentioned to, I think it was Frank, I -think- this
sorting issue
started with the install of an application for genealogy, but I
can't be certain. I'm going to purposely not run that program for
a few days to be sure this fix holds. If it does, I'll try a
reinstall of that app to see if it recreates the problem. At least
I'll know what causes the problem then, assuming it does, and what
to do about it. <g>. Regards,
Pop`
Wesley Vogel wrote:
Restore Sort order in Open and Save dialogs
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/scripts_desc/xp_opensaveorder.htm
Or...
<quote>
To resolve this behavior, reset the default sort order:
1. Right-click Start, click Explore and then click drive C.
2. On the View menu, click Details.
3. Click the Name column to sort items by name, press and hold
down the CTRL key, and then quit Windows Explorer by clicking
Close in the upper-right corner of the screen.
4. Release the CTRL key.
5. Restart your computer.
NOTE: You must perform these steps exactly as they are listed. For
example, do not quit Windows Explorer by clicking Exit on the File
menu. <quote>
from...
Items in "Open" and "Save As" Dialog Boxes Sorted Incorrectly
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/229070
In Paul <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
Whenever the standard windows file dialog box opens, called by
any program whatsoever, the entries appear in reverser order;
i.e., files first, in reverse alphabetical order, followed by the
sub-folders How do I get back to normal
Poprivet said:Wesley, you have a knack and a half sometimes for answering questions that
didn't get asked; it only takes reading to discover it! I've been
thinking about going after the Classic Menu Setting too, for some time
now.
You don't by any chance have a brother by the name of Jack, do you? I
forget the middle initial but I could find it. He'd have worked in Chgo
for quite awhile at Hammond Organ - there are some written 'mannerisms'
that seem to almost but not quite connect the two of you sometimes.
Regards,
Pop`
Wesley said:UserPreferencesMask is another one that uses multiple bits for many
settings.
UserPreferencesMask
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/reskit/regentry/55198.mspx?mfr=true
Settings here is another.
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\
Explorer\StuckRects2
See...
The Classic Start Menu is more complicated.
here...
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize/msg/69a7c561cde0897b?hl=en
InPoprivet said:Hmm, thank you. Those are good leads and look like something
interesting to follow up on for my own edge-a-cashun. There is more
to it than I thought there would be: Nuttin' new 'bout that! <g>
Best Regards,
Pop`
Wesley Vogel wrote:
ShellState gets messed up is what causes it.
"Ctrl + Close button
Sets the system default settings, mainly sort order. Icon style is
not affected"
from David Candy
Ctrl + Close [X] saves folder settings. Sometimes the settings are
saved anyway, but Ctrl + Close is added insurance. I use Ctrl +
Close all of the time just out of habit.
Sets a couple of bits in ShellState here...
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer
Doug Knox's xp_shellstate.reg also resets the ShellState.
ShellState is a hex number that has 36 bits, if I counted
correctly. Two of those bits are used for sorting (20? & 21?). I
"think" that the Members in the following link correspond to the bits.
Two of those...
<quote>
lParamSort
The column to sort by.
iSortDirection
Alphabetical sort direction for the column specified by lParamSort.
Use 1 for an ascending sort, -1 for a descending sort.
<quote>
from...
SHELLSTATE Structure
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d...orm/shell/reference/structures/shellstate.asp
Gives the value for ShellState with the wrong number of bits (28)
for XP... Contents of the Open and Save As Dialog Boxes Sorted
Incorrectly http://support.microsoft.com/kb/233526
"ShellState" author:david author:candy
http://groups.google.com/groups?q="...1&as_maxd=15&as_maxm=4&as_maxy=2007&safe=off&
In Poprivet <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
Hi Wesley,
Thanks, you helped me solve an annoyance I've had for some time,
but it didnt' go smoothly in my case. I was particularly
intrigued by the CTRL-Xbutton(close) statement, too; I'd never
heard of it before. In fact, I still don't know what it does
unless it's just a make-them-all-alike shortcut?
I only provide this info as sort of an FYI in case it matters to
anything, or should you have any comments you feel like making. I'm
just very happy to be finally rid of that annoyance!
At first restart, your fix seemed to work. But then I noticed
Windows Explorer had the sort order reversed. So, I corrected
that, used the CTRL-Xbutton again, and did a Restart.
Hmm, NOW the dialog boxes had reversed again. Back to Explorer,
and it looked OK. So I tried the process again; no change.
THEN I happened to notice that C:\ was sorted properly, but ALL
of the subfolders of ANY subfolder under C:\ was NOT, they were all
reverse sorted! And of course, Dialog Boxes were still sorted
wrong. So, with nothing to lose, I went back to Explorer and set a
subfolder to be properly sorted and used Tools, Apply to All
Folders. Then I did a Restart, and now, -finally-, all is fine! I
was prepared to repeat the instructions you provided, but didn't
have to. So far, three more Restarts later, all is fine; all sort
orders are as they should be. I -think- the conditional is that
one should run the Tools; Apply to All Folders before running the
fix. As I mentioned to, I think it was Frank, I -think- this
sorting issue
started with the install of an application for genealogy, but I
can't be certain. I'm going to purposely not run that program for
a few days to be sure this fix holds. If it does, I'll try a
reinstall of that app to see if it recreates the problem. At least
I'll know what causes the problem then, assuming it does, and what
to do about it. <g>. Regards,
Pop`
Wesley Vogel wrote:
Restore Sort order in Open and Save dialogs
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/scripts_desc/xp_opensaveorder.htm
Or...
<quote>
To resolve this behavior, reset the default sort order:
1. Right-click Start, click Explore and then click drive C.
2. On the View menu, click Details.
3. Click the Name column to sort items by name, press and hold
down the CTRL key, and then quit Windows Explorer by clicking
Close in the upper-right corner of the screen.
4. Release the CTRL key.
5. Restart your computer.
NOTE: You must perform these steps exactly as they are listed. For
example, do not quit Windows Explorer by clicking Exit on the File
menu. <quote>
from...
Items in "Open" and "Save As" Dialog Boxes Sorted Incorrectly
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/229070
In Paul <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
Whenever the standard windows file dialog box opens, called by
any program whatsoever, the entries appear in reverser order;
i.e., files first, in reverse alphabetical order, followed by the
sub-folders How do I get back to normal