G
Guest
When do they plan on making this essential utility USEFUL? In its current
form its pointless. How could they let this out? Its useless.
form its pointless. How could they let this out? Its useless.
J
Jeffrey Tan[MSFT]
Hi,
Can you show me the inconvinience of the Resource editor?
If you have any questions, please feel free to let me know.
Jeffrey Tan
Microsoft Online Partner Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "as is" with no warranties and confers no rights.
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| Subject: Resource editor for Visual Studio .NET
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| When do they plan on making this essential utility USEFUL? In its current
| form its pointless. How could they let this out? Its useless.
|
|
|
Can you show me the inconvinience of the Resource editor?
If you have any questions, please feel free to let me know.
Jeffrey Tan
Microsoft Online Partner Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "as is" with no warranties and confers no rights.
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| From: <.>
| Subject: Resource editor for Visual Studio .NET
| Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:22:02 +0200
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| When do they plan on making this essential utility USEFUL? In its current
| form its pointless. How could they let this out? Its useless.
|
|
|
J
Jeffrey Tan[MSFT]
Hi Mihai,
Thank you for showing us your inconvinience.
VS.net's resource editor is changed to the similar to the VB6.0's.
Its RAD function is good, but some other funciton limitation let you
inconvinience.
I think everything can not be all perfect.
I am sorry my reply let you think that I am the defender of MS products.
In fact, we are happy to get information from customer to improve our
products.
I will reflect your suggestion to our product survey.
Thanks again for your suggestion.
Jeffrey Tan
Microsoft Online Partner Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "as is" with no warranties and confers no rights.
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| Newsgroups: microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp
| Subject: RE: Resource editor for Visual Studio .NET
| From: "Mihai N." <[email protected]>
| References: <[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
| Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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|
| > Can you show me the inconvinience of the Resource editor?
| > If you have any questions, please feel free to let me know.
| You really think is nice and usefull?
| Try playing with the old resource editor used by VC++ 6.0 and older.
| Not the VB one, the C++ one. I think it was a bad idea to base the new
| .NET resource editor on the VB one.
|
| Simple examples:
| Add a a string/bitmap/icon to a resource for C#?
| Not in a form, a stand alone one, one that I can load and replace
| the one in the form at runtime.
|
| In VC++ is easy: right click "Add resource", then you can select what
| you want, you can import all kind of formats, create custom resources,
etc.
|
| Question:
| Is it worth the trouble to start writing some kind of a report about
| what I think it is wrong with the .NET resource formats and editor?
| Or this is just because this is a MS newsgroup and somebody has to
"defend"
| the MS IDE?
| If somebody will actualy read the report with an open mind,
| then maybe I will go to this trouble.
|
| Mihai
|
Thank you for showing us your inconvinience.
VS.net's resource editor is changed to the similar to the VB6.0's.
Its RAD function is good, but some other funciton limitation let you
inconvinience.
I think everything can not be all perfect.
I am sorry my reply let you think that I am the defender of MS products.
In fact, we are happy to get information from customer to improve our
products.
I will reflect your suggestion to our product survey.
Thanks again for your suggestion.
Jeffrey Tan
Microsoft Online Partner Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "as is" with no warranties and confers no rights.
--------------------
| Newsgroups: microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp
| Subject: RE: Resource editor for Visual Studio .NET
| From: "Mihai N." <[email protected]>
| References: <[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
| Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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|
| > Can you show me the inconvinience of the Resource editor?
| > If you have any questions, please feel free to let me know.
| You really think is nice and usefull?
| Try playing with the old resource editor used by VC++ 6.0 and older.
| Not the VB one, the C++ one. I think it was a bad idea to base the new
| .NET resource editor on the VB one.
|
| Simple examples:
| Add a a string/bitmap/icon to a resource for C#?
| Not in a form, a stand alone one, one that I can load and replace
| the one in the form at runtime.
|
| In VC++ is easy: right click "Add resource", then you can select what
| you want, you can import all kind of formats, create custom resources,
etc.
|
| Question:
| Is it worth the trouble to start writing some kind of a report about
| what I think it is wrong with the .NET resource formats and editor?
| Or this is just because this is a MS newsgroup and somebody has to
"defend"
| the MS IDE?
| If somebody will actualy read the report with an open mind,
| then maybe I will go to this trouble.
|
| Mihai
|
J
Jack Meyhoff
The res editor on .net is a peice of crock.
Why they shipped that peice of junk is beyond me, its next to useless. Its
the worst res editor ive ever used. VS6 was good why step back? I expected
more from it also but this. its a joke. One of the worst features in VS.NET.
It could have been so much more. What do MS say on this ? The PM who let
this res editor out should be moved to the underground office with his red
stapler
As for the SDE/T's and SDE's and STEs on the team, do they even use the
product in a productive way to realise that the res editor is such a peice
of junk?
Why they shipped that peice of junk is beyond me, its next to useless. Its
the worst res editor ive ever used. VS6 was good why step back? I expected
more from it also but this. its a joke. One of the worst features in VS.NET.
It could have been so much more. What do MS say on this ? The PM who let
this res editor out should be moved to the underground office with his red
stapler
As for the SDE/T's and SDE's and STEs on the team, do they even use the
product in a productive way to realise that the res editor is such a peice
of junk?
J
Jeffrey Tan[MSFT]
Hi all,
The customer's suggestion can get our products to be more efficient.
I suggest you provide these suggestion at the link below:
http://register.microsoft.com/mswish/suggestion.asp?from=cu&fu=/isapi/go
mscom%2Easp%3Ftarget%3D%2Fmswish%2Fthanks%2Ehtm
Best regards,
Jeffrey Tan
Microsoft Online Partner Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "as is" with no warranties and confers no rights.
--------------------
| Newsgroups: microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp
| Subject: RE: Resource editor for Visual Studio .NET
| From: "Mihai N." <[email protected]>
| References: <[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
| Message-ID: <[email protected]>
| User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25
| Lines: 77
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|
|
| Hi Jeffrey,
|
| > Thank you for showing us your inconvinience.
| > VS.net's resource editor is changed to the similar to the VB6.0's.
| > Its RAD function is good, but some other funciton limitation let you
| > inconvinience.
| > I think everything can not be all perfect.
|
| I was not expecting perfect.
| I was expecting better than what I had in VC4-VC6.
| But is it worse. Maybe it is better than the VB6 resource editor.
| But as a C/C++ (and now C#) developer I am loosing functionality I had.
|
| > I am sorry my reply let you think that I am the defender of MS products.
| It's normal and it's ok.
|
| > In fact, we are happy to get information from customer to improve our
| > products.
| > I will reflect your suggestion to our product survey.
| My pleasure. This is the only way things can improve.
|
| I am actually working as a localization engineer, so part of the issues
are
| related to this.
|
| I don't say Developer Studio .Net is not better than VC6.
| But in some respects (the resource editor included) it is worse.
|
| Let me give you some other samples of "improvements" that I don't
perceive as
| improvements:
| 1. the resx file format
| This is an XML file. But XML was designed to represent structure.
| The resx does not take advantage of this in any way.
| It is in fact a 3 column table:
| name type value
| If I want to know if something in the 'value' tag is localizable, I
have to
| check the attribute 'type' of it's 'data' parent. Ouch!
|
| When I first heard about .NET using XML as resource format, I was
expecting
| something like this:
|
| <dialog caption="Caption Text" font="Arial,8" style="some flags"
| coord="0,0,120,200">
| <button text="OK" id="IDOK" coord="10,10,30,14" align="left" ... />
| ... etc ...
| </dialog>
|
| Before, someone was able to look at an RC file and figure out
| "this is a dialog, with 3 buttons and 2 labels."
| Not anymore!
|
| 2. Having a form per file.
| This is another VB bad idea.
| We did localize pretty big applications, some of them with 500 dialogs
or
| more. It is pretty typical to get 3-4 rc files with 200 dialogs.
| Now the option is 200 dialogs in 200 files!
| Importing/exporting in/from translation tools is difficult, global
searches,
| everything.
| Instead of loading 1 file and resizing 100 dialogs, now I have to load
100
| files.
|
| 3. The "Add function" wizard (when developing C++ with Dev Studio Net).
| It is killing me. Before I was able to type everything I needed in two
lines:
| return value and the function signature.
| Now I have to fight for every single parameter. It does not save me time.
| The 'return type' and 'parameter type' don't have even the most useful
| types. There is a char, bad not TCHAR. No HWND, no nothing.
| So I type as much as before, but I have to interrupt to 'Add' every
| parameter.
|
| There is more than point-and-click.
| There are still peoples out there than can do batch processing, scripts,
| can type without a wizard supervision, don't use the mouse unless
necessary.
| I understand MS Word is not for them.
| But a developer tool should be for them first, and only after "for
dummies."
|
| Mihai
|
The customer's suggestion can get our products to be more efficient.
I suggest you provide these suggestion at the link below:
http://register.microsoft.com/mswish/suggestion.asp?from=cu&fu=/isapi/go
mscom%2Easp%3Ftarget%3D%2Fmswish%2Fthanks%2Ehtm
Best regards,
Jeffrey Tan
Microsoft Online Partner Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "as is" with no warranties and confers no rights.
--------------------
| Newsgroups: microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp
| Subject: RE: Resource editor for Visual Studio .NET
| From: "Mihai N." <[email protected]>
| References: <[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
| Message-ID: <[email protected]>
| User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25
| Lines: 77
| NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.213.190.26
| X-Complaints-To: (e-mail address removed)
| X-Trace: sccrnsc04 1060848285 12.213.190.26 (Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:04:45
GMT)
| NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:04:45 GMT
| Organization: Comcast Online
| Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:04:45 GMT
| Path:
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e.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.n
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| X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp
|
|
| Hi Jeffrey,
|
| > Thank you for showing us your inconvinience.
| > VS.net's resource editor is changed to the similar to the VB6.0's.
| > Its RAD function is good, but some other funciton limitation let you
| > inconvinience.
| > I think everything can not be all perfect.
|
| I was not expecting perfect.
| I was expecting better than what I had in VC4-VC6.
| But is it worse. Maybe it is better than the VB6 resource editor.
| But as a C/C++ (and now C#) developer I am loosing functionality I had.
|
| > I am sorry my reply let you think that I am the defender of MS products.
| It's normal and it's ok.
|
| > In fact, we are happy to get information from customer to improve our
| > products.
| > I will reflect your suggestion to our product survey.
| My pleasure. This is the only way things can improve.
|
| I am actually working as a localization engineer, so part of the issues
are
| related to this.
|
| I don't say Developer Studio .Net is not better than VC6.
| But in some respects (the resource editor included) it is worse.
|
| Let me give you some other samples of "improvements" that I don't
perceive as
| improvements:
| 1. the resx file format
| This is an XML file. But XML was designed to represent structure.
| The resx does not take advantage of this in any way.
| It is in fact a 3 column table:
| name type value
| If I want to know if something in the 'value' tag is localizable, I
have to
| check the attribute 'type' of it's 'data' parent. Ouch!
|
| When I first heard about .NET using XML as resource format, I was
expecting
| something like this:
|
| <dialog caption="Caption Text" font="Arial,8" style="some flags"
| coord="0,0,120,200">
| <button text="OK" id="IDOK" coord="10,10,30,14" align="left" ... />
| ... etc ...
| </dialog>
|
| Before, someone was able to look at an RC file and figure out
| "this is a dialog, with 3 buttons and 2 labels."
| Not anymore!
|
| 2. Having a form per file.
| This is another VB bad idea.
| We did localize pretty big applications, some of them with 500 dialogs
or
| more. It is pretty typical to get 3-4 rc files with 200 dialogs.
| Now the option is 200 dialogs in 200 files!
| Importing/exporting in/from translation tools is difficult, global
searches,
| everything.
| Instead of loading 1 file and resizing 100 dialogs, now I have to load
100
| files.
|
| 3. The "Add function" wizard (when developing C++ with Dev Studio Net).
| It is killing me. Before I was able to type everything I needed in two
lines:
| return value and the function signature.
| Now I have to fight for every single parameter. It does not save me time.
| The 'return type' and 'parameter type' don't have even the most useful
| types. There is a char, bad not TCHAR. No HWND, no nothing.
| So I type as much as before, but I have to interrupt to 'Add' every
| parameter.
|
| There is more than point-and-click.
| There are still peoples out there than can do batch processing, scripts,
| can type without a wizard supervision, don't use the mouse unless
necessary.
| I understand MS Word is not for them.
| But a developer tool should be for them first, and only after "for
dummies."
|
| Mihai
|