Resizing gif and jpeg

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Is there a secret to resizing gifs and jpegs and maintaining the same image quality of the original. When resizing a chart with legens on it I loose the quality of the printed material when decreasing the size. It just isn't intuitive why quality decreases when making eigther a jpeg or gif smaller. I'm always appreciative of the answers you experts out there provide. Thanks, ptm
 
Read this article first. http://www.eleanorstravels.com/usingphotos.htm
You need to learn how to use your image editing program to properly optimize
the images. Do not make any changes to images from within FrontPage ... the
results just won't be good. If you have a chart you may need to do a
screencapture of it, then use a program such as Paint Shop Pro or Photoshop
Elements II to resize and optimize it. Whcih image editing program do you
have? Maybe I can make further suggestions.
Eleanor

ptm said:
Is there a secret to resizing gifs and jpegs and maintaining the same
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image quality of the original. When resizing a chart with legens on it I
loose the quality of the printed material when decreasing the size. It just
isn't intuitive why quality decreases when making eigther a jpeg or gif
smaller. I'm always appreciative of the answers you experts out there
provide. Thanks, ptm
 
I'm using Digital Imageing Pro 7.0 Eleanor. What I think you are saying is to work with a bitmap original when editing and resizing. I don't think I willl have trouble with the screen capture approach. All I want to do is resize what will be a large screen capture down to a 530X350 pixil size for use on a web page within a border. (Now tell me again the approximate conversion of pixals to inches) I'll give it a try and if you have any other hints please pass them along. Thx, ptm
 
I don't know that program ... but ...
Your editor should be able to help you see the conversion. 530 pixels sounds
like a good width. It will all depend on whether or not you can read the
text. You may have to make the text on the original a bit larger so it turns
out large enough to read when placed on the page. You could always use an
even larger chart (up to about 750) that is accessed from a thumbnail. Do
you have Spawn? (An FP add-on). The chart will be a .gif, photos are always
..jpgs.
Hope that helps... I'll look for your answer.
Eleanor
ptm said:
I'm using Digital Imageing Pro 7.0 Eleanor. What I think you are saying
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is to work with a bitmap original when editing and resizing. I don't think
I willl have trouble with the screen capture approach. All I want to do is
resize what will be a large screen capture down to a 530X350 pixil size for
use on a web page within a border. (Now tell me again the approximate
conversion of pixals to inches) I'll give it a try and if you have any
other hints please pass them along. Thx, ptmimage quality of the original. When resizing a chart with legens on it I
loose the quality of the printed material when decreasing the size. It just
isn't intuitive why quality decreases when making eigther a jpeg or gif
smaller. I'm always appreciative of the answers you experts out there
provide. Thanks, ptm
 
Pixel size of an image and the inches the monitor uses to display it varies according the resolution
setting on the monitor. ( higher resolution = smaller image display ) You need to view the image at
different resolutions to see the effect.


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ptm said:
I'm using Digital Imageing Pro 7.0 Eleanor. What I think you are saying is to work with a bitmap
Click to expand...
original when editing and resizing. I don't think I willl have trouble with the screen capture
approach. All I want to do is resize what will be a large screen capture down to a 530X350 pixil
size for use on a web page within a border. (Now tell me again the approximate conversion of pixals
to inches) I'll give it a try and if you have any other hints please pass them along. Thx, ptmoriginal. When resizing a chart with legens on it I loose the quality of the printed material when
decreasing the size. It just isn't intuitive why quality decreases when making eigther a jpeg or
gif smaller. I'm always appreciative of the answers you experts out there provide. Thanks, ptm
 
PTM-
I agree with doing the bmp original and then when you are
done convert to jpg or gif
72dpi is fine for the web

Mike

ptm wrote:
: I'm using Digital Imageing Pro 7.0 Eleanor. What I think
: you are saying is to work with a bitmap original when
: editing and resizing. I don't think I willl have trouble
: with the screen capture approach. All I want to do is
: resize what will be a large screen capture down to a
: 530X350 pixil size for use on a web page within a border.
: (Now tell me again the approximate conversion of pixals
: to inches) I'll give it a try and if you have any other
: hints please pass them along. Thx, ptm
:
: "ptm" wrote:
:
:: Is there a secret to resizing gifs and jpegs and
:: maintaining the same image quality of the original.
:: When resizing a chart with legens on it I loose the
:: quality of the printed material when decreasing the
:: size. It just isn't intuitive why quality decreases
:: when making eigther a jpeg or gif smaller. I'm always
:: appreciative of the answers you experts out there
:: provide. Thanks, ptm
 
hi Mike.

Contrary to popular belief, DPI settings have no effect on how an image renders in a browser.
DPI is only used by printers when an image is printed.

As a test, print an image ( small one ) and then cut the DPI in half and print it again. It will
print twice as big.

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Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
........................with a computer
 
Your last question isn't really consise enough for me to answer. And I don't
know your skill level. I'll recommend Paint Shop Pro v.8 and plenty of time
to experimant and practice. This article isn't up to date but might help:
http://www.eleanorstravels.com/ComparingPrograms/comparingprograms.htm
Eleanor

ptm said:
It's Microsoft Digital Imaging Pro 7.0 Eleanor which, as many of their
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programs, take a bit from all the others but may not be the best. It does
have the flexability however to accomplish tasks at my level. I still think
a chart that fills the monitor crisply should reduce to an even better
rendition when made smaller. I did increase the fonts on the original and
now have a satisfactory solution. I've had simular problems in the past
with photos that look great in their original form on the monitor but loose
quality when made smaller. What is your recomendation for working with an
image that has not been previously saved as a jpeg or gif and is only
available as a screen capture? Nice web page. Thanks for the help, ptm
 
Bitmap files (BMP format) are awfully big.....make sure you convert it to Jpg or
Gif for optimal viewing quality and minimal download times.



ptm said:
I'm using Digital Imageing Pro 7.0 Eleanor. What I think you are saying is to
Click to expand...
work with a bitmap original when editing and resizing. I don't think I willl
have trouble with the screen capture approach. All I want to do is resize what
will be a large screen capture down to a 530X350 pixil size for use on a web page
within a border. (Now tell me again the approximate conversion of pixals to
inches) I'll give it a try and if you have any other hints please pass them
along. Thx, ptmquality of the original. When resizing a chart with legens on it I loose the
quality of the printed material when decreasing the size. It just isn't
intuitive why quality decreases when making eigther a jpeg or gif smaller. I'm
always appreciative of the answers you experts out there provide. Thanks, ptm
 
Hi Steve.
I stand by my previous statement because it all depends on
how you look at it. If you are measuring the image size in
inches then you would want to be aware of the dpi, and would
want that to be around 70. 89% of my visitors are using
either 1024x768 or 800x600. The most common monitor sold is
17". This averages out to about 70dpi.
In your test, the image would be 4 times the size- twice as
wide and twice as high.

Mike


: hi Mike.
:
: Contrary to popular belief, DPI settings have no effect on
how an image renders in a browser.
: DPI is only used by printers when an image is printed.
:
: As a test, print an image ( small one ) and then cut the
DPI in half and print it again. It will
: print twice as big.
:
: --
: Steve Easton
: Microsoft MVP FrontPage
: 95isalive
: This site is best viewed............
: .......................with a computer
:
message
: : > PTM-
: > I agree with doing the bmp original and then when you
are
: > done convert to jpg or gif
: > 72dpi is fine for the web
: >
: > Mike
: >
: > ptm wrote:
: > : I'm using Digital Imageing Pro 7.0 Eleanor. What I
think
: > : you are saying is to work with a bitmap original when
: > : editing and resizing. I don't think I willl have
trouble
: > : with the screen capture approach. All I want to do is
: > : resize what will be a large screen capture down to a
: > : 530X350 pixil size for use on a web page within a
border.
: > : (Now tell me again the approximate conversion of
pixals
: > : to inches) I'll give it a try and if you have any
other
: > : hints please pass them along. Thx, ptm
: > :
: > : "ptm" wrote:
: > :
: > :: Is there a secret to resizing gifs and jpegs and
: > :: maintaining the same image quality of the original.
: > :: When resizing a chart with legens on it I loose the
: > :: quality of the printed material when decreasing the
: > :: size. It just isn't intuitive why quality decreases
: > :: when making eigther a jpeg or gif smaller. I'm
always
: > :: appreciative of the answers you experts out there
: > :: provide. Thanks, ptm
: >
: >
:
:
 
This thread may have answered my question. Just in case....

I've been frustrated inserting JPEG or GIF images created from a one-page
PowerPoint file into FrontPage. When I resize the image after
Insert:Picture:From File it distorts the text. Since I can't get the
Shift:Drag to work in FP I resize using the picture properties protecting the
original ratio.

I've taken the exact same images and inserted them into Word and then
resized (Shift:Drag) and I get just what I expected: a beautifully
proportioned small image with no distortion.

I see from the link included in the last post that any resizing should be
done outside FP. Win98 used to include a rudimentary image editor (for
simple cropping and resizing) but I don't see one in XP. (I have Photoshop
Elements on my Mac so I know I can do this there but it requires and extra
step since I do my web and most PowerPoint work on my XP laptop.

Any suggesting for an inexpensive basic (but reliable) editor form my lonely
XP laptop? Any understand why FP seems to have such a hard time with the
image resizing?

Thanks

Tom
 
www.irfanview.com

A freeware app.

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| This thread may have answered my question. Just in case....
|
| I've been frustrated inserting JPEG or GIF images created from a one-page
| PowerPoint file into FrontPage. When I resize the image after
| Insert:Picture:From File it distorts the text. Since I can't get the
| Shift:Drag to work in FP I resize using the picture properties protecting
the
| original ratio.
|
| I've taken the exact same images and inserted them into Word and then
| resized (Shift:Drag) and I get just what I expected: a beautifully
| proportioned small image with no distortion.
|
| I see from the link included in the last post that any resizing should be
| done outside FP. Win98 used to include a rudimentary image editor (for
| simple cropping and resizing) but I don't see one in XP. (I have
Photoshop
| Elements on my Mac so I know I can do this there but it requires and extra
| step since I do my web and most PowerPoint work on my XP laptop.
|
| Any suggesting for an inexpensive basic (but reliable) editor form my
lonely
| XP laptop? Any understand why FP seems to have such a hard time with the
| image resizing?
|
| Thanks
|
| Tom
|
| "E. T. Culling" wrote:
|
| > Read this article first. http://www.eleanorstravels.com/usingphotos.htm
| > You need to learn how to use your image editing program to properly
optimize
| > the images. Do not make any changes to images from within FrontPage ...
the
| > results just won't be good. If you have a chart you may need to do a
| > screencapture of it, then use a program such as Paint Shop Pro or
Photoshop
| > Elements II to resize and optimize it. Whcih image editing program do
you
| > have? Maybe I can make further suggestions.
| > Eleanor
| >
| > | > > Is there a secret to resizing gifs and jpegs and maintaining the same
| > image quality of the original. When resizing a chart with legens on it
I
| > loose the quality of the printed material when decreasing the size. It
just
| > isn't intuitive why quality decreases when making eigther a jpeg or gif
| > smaller. I'm always appreciative of the answers you experts out there
| > provide. Thanks, ptm
| >
| >
| >
 
Tom

Just wanted to thank you for the link to irfanview. I downloaded it last
night and it's a perfect solution for the problem I had (and the right price
too). I have PhotoShop Elements on my Mac but needed something much simplier
on my XP laptop.

Like many others in this forum, I've learned not to use the photo editing in
FP even though it's a bit frustrating at times to have to return to an editor
to get things just right.

Tom
 
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