REQ: Need Advice On Buying External Hard Drive

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I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
for good or bad?

250GB appeals to me.

Thanks

G
 
gecko said:
I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
for good or bad?

250GB appeals to me.

It's so cheap these days to need to watch out for anything. Well, may be
just stay away from Maxtor which I just don't have any luck with Maxtor hard
drive (now sold to Seagate so I am shy away from Seagate as well even I
never owned any Seagate .. may be 2.5" hard drive? or way back in 80's?).

My Maxtor story (or stories?), I started my first Maxtor somewhere in
mid-late 80's and got my first hard drive problem 4-5 months later, got the
replacement (I like no question asked policy) and 2nd Maxtor failure within
2-3 months, got 2nd replacement and failed again after 6-7 months. By that
time the price dropped so I didn't care for replacement but went for newer
and larger Maxtor (it coast $400-500 a pop then) and it failed after 5-6
months, then failed once more and I didn't care to get the replacement, but
switched to Western Digital and have been using WD ever since (but WD
warrantee policy suck big time, so I don't have much to sing about WD).

About 2-3 years ago I thought I would give Maxtor another try to see with
my own eyes after around 2 decades of technology and improvement, so I
bought a 250GB and it too failed after 2-3 months. Got the replacement and
failed again after about 1 month, but the drive is still usuable except
90-95+% it won't be recognized my CMOS. I can't use it on my system so I
installed on my grandkids system and the problem is still there for years.

Also, why 250GB when external 500GB is just around $100-130 (depending on
the sale), and if you don't like the pre-made external then you can buy your
own 3.5" enclosure and install the 3.5" HD yourself.
 
It's so cheap these days to need to watch out for anything. Well, may be
just stay away from Maxtor which I just don't have any luck with Maxtor hard
drive (now sold to Seagate so I am shy away from Seagate as well even I
never owned any Seagate .. may be 2.5" hard drive? or way back in 80's?).

My Maxtor story (or stories?), I started my first Maxtor somewhere in
mid-late 80's and got my first hard drive problem 4-5 months later, got the
replacement (I like no question asked policy) and 2nd Maxtor failure within
2-3 months, got 2nd replacement and failed again after 6-7 months. By that
time the price dropped so I didn't care for replacement but went for newer
and larger Maxtor (it coast $400-500 a pop then) and it failed after 5-6
months, then failed once more and I didn't care to get the replacement, but
switched to Western Digital and have been using WD ever since (but WD
warrantee policy suck big time, so I don't have much to sing about WD).

About 2-3 years ago I thought I would give Maxtor another try to see with
my own eyes after around 2 decades of technology and improvement, so I
bought a 250GB and it too failed after 2-3 months. Got the replacement and
failed again after about 1 month, but the drive is still usuable except
90-95+% it won't be recognized my CMOS. I can't use it on my system so I
installed on my grandkids system and the problem is still there for years.

Also, why 250GB when external 500GB is just around $100-130 (depending on
the sale), and if you don't like the pre-made external then you can buy your
own 3.5" enclosure and install the 3.5" HD yourself.

I have an enclosure now, rather old. It works badly and so I thought
a new external, self contained, portable, would do better. My past
posts show my problems.

Thanks

G
 
It's so cheap these days to need to watch out for anything. Well, may be
just stay away from Maxtor which I just don't have any luck with Maxtor hard
drive (now sold to Seagate so I am shy away from Seagate as well even I
never owned any Seagate .. may be 2.5" hard drive? or way back in 80's?).

My Maxtor story (or stories?), I started my first Maxtor somewhere in
mid-late 80's and got my first hard drive problem 4-5 months later, got the
replacement (I like no question asked policy) and 2nd Maxtor failure within
2-3 months, got 2nd replacement and failed again after 6-7 months. By that
time the price dropped so I didn't care for replacement but went for newer
and larger Maxtor (it coast $400-500 a pop then) and it failed after 5-6
months, then failed once more and I didn't care to get the replacement, but
switched to Western Digital and have been using WD ever since (but WD
warrantee policy suck big time, so I don't have much to sing about WD).

About 2-3 years ago I thought I would give Maxtor another try to see with
my own eyes after around 2 decades of technology and improvement, so I
bought a 250GB and it too failed after 2-3 months. Got the replacement and
failed again after about 1 month, but the drive is still usuable except
90-95+% it won't be recognized my CMOS. I can't use it on my system so I
installed on my grandkids system and the problem is still there for years.

You have to be the one user in a billion who had this
happen. Statistics seem to imply certain generations of
Maxtor were worse than average but maybe 10% failure rate
not dropping like flies in months, over and over again.

That doesn't make WD a bad choice though, if it works for
you then it has proven itself acceptible.


Also, why 250GB when external 500GB is just around $100-130 (depending on
the sale), and if you don't like the pre-made external then you can buy your
own 3.5" enclosure and install the 3.5" HD yourself.

More platters to reach higher capacity means more motor
wear, more motor power (driver circuit heat) and overall
more drive bearing and PCB heat... this being in an external
enclosure that is often passively cooled, will tend to
reduce it's lifespan.

Extending this, if the drive will be running for longer than
it takes to back up a few GB at a time, an enclosure with a
fan would be a good idea unless noise reduction is more
important than lifespan. Beyond that, there are several
alternatives and spot-pricing may reveal the best option/$,
though it is generally best to avoid generic products and
seek reviews on any potential candidates.
 
gecko said:
I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
for good or bad?

Some USB disks spin down after a period of inactivity, others don't. Whether
you consider this to be a good thing or a bad thing depends on what you are
doing. I use Seagate USB disks at work which do spin down when not in use,
unbranded ones at home which don't. Also the power connector on the Seagate
looks to be a standard power connector which implies that if the power
supply died I would have a fighting change to get a replacement, the ones I
use at home use a very non-standard power supply connector.

Whatever you go for remember that you ought to make provision to back
everything up. If you are buying the usb disk for your backup then ensure
that you have at least two - and keep one off site (in your draw at work or
at home, for example).
 
You have to be the one user in a billion who had this
happen. Statistics seem to imply certain generations of
Maxtor were worse than average but maybe 10% failure rate
not dropping like flies in months, over and over again.

That doesn't make WD a bad choice though, if it works for
you then it has proven itself acceptible.




More platters to reach higher capacity means more motor
wear, more motor power (driver circuit heat) and overall
more drive bearing and PCB heat... this being in an external
enclosure that is often passively cooled, will tend to
reduce it's lifespan.

Extending this, if the drive will be running for longer than
it takes to back up a few GB at a time, an enclosure with a
fan would be a good idea unless noise reduction is more
important than lifespan. Beyond that, there are several
alternatives and spot-pricing may reveal the best option/$,
though it is generally best to avoid generic products and
seek reviews on any potential candidates.- Hide quoted text -

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What size is the drive that is in the tower now? Would you be better
off to buy a 500gb as an internal and take your present drive out,put
it in a Vantec NexStar3 inclosure and use that as your usb connected
storage drive? I am running a WD 80gb internal with a Maxtor 40gb in
the said inclosure and have been for years with no troubles. The
Maxtor was my internal for 7 years with no problems. Just a thought. -J
 
What size is the drive that is in the tower now? Would you be better
off to buy a 500gb as an internal and take your present drive out,put
it in a Vantec NexStar3 inclosure and use that as your usb connected
storage drive? I am running a WD 80gb internal with a Maxtor 40gb in
the said inclosure and have been for years with no troubles. The
Maxtor was my internal for 7 years with no problems. Just a thought. -J

You are still using 40GB and 80GB these days? My current system has (3)
300GB 7200 WD and (1) external 500GB SATA, and I am still fighting to free
up more disk space.

I am using VENUS D53 enclosure and it seems working fine. I don't know if
there is any better now, but it was one of the top choices when I bought it
(and had to pay little extra for it comparing to many others).
 
I have an enclosure now, rather old. It works badly and so I thought
a new external, self contained, portable, would do better. My past
posts show my problems.

Well, either way you still end up with an 3.5" hard drive inside an
enclosure, so either you have some manufacture puts some specific 3.5" hard
drive inside 3.5" enclosure for you, or you buy and do yourself.

One of the reasons I don't buy the pre-assembled external hard drive cuz I
don't know if the hard drive is a normal IDE/SATA hard drive that we can
install on computer as internal, or a special design for specific external
case????
 
Some USB disks spin down after a period of inactivity, others don't. Whether
you consider this to be a good thing or a bad thing depends on what you are
doing. I use Seagate USB disks at work which do spin down when not in use,
unbranded ones at home which don't. Also the power connector on the Seagate
looks to be a standard power connector which implies that if the power
supply died I would have a fighting change to get a replacement, the ones I
use at home use a very non-standard power supply connector.

Whatever you go for remember that you ought to make provision to back
everything up. If you are buying the usb disk for your backup then ensure
that you have at least two - and keep one off site (in your draw at work or
at home, for example).


Given a soldering iron, solder, a short length of wire and
some heatshrink tubing, you could drill a hole in the
enclosure casing and install a female socket which matches
whichever connector is on the replacement PSU you'd buy if
the need arose. Granted this seems like a lot of work, but
maybe about 5 minutes which could be less time than it would
take looking around for a PSU with a special connector.
 
Well, either way you still end up with an 3.5" hard drive inside an
enclosure, so either you have some manufacture puts some specific 3.5" hard
drive inside 3.5" enclosure for you, or you buy and do yourself.

One of the reasons I don't buy the pre-assembled external hard drive cuz I
don't know if the hard drive is a normal IDE/SATA hard drive that we can
install on computer as internal, or a special design for specific external
case????

Yah - I guess I would not know that either. I just figured that just
maybe my past problems might have something to do with the box
circuitry and connections. When I sometimes disconnect said
connections and then re-connect them again, and the thing starts
working, then I figure something might be ornery there.

Thanks again
G
 
Some USB disks spin down after a period of inactivity, others don't. Whether
you consider this to be a good thing or a bad thing depends on what you are
doing. I use Seagate USB disks at work which do spin down when not in use,
unbranded ones at home which don't. Also the power connector on the Seagate
looks to be a standard power connector which implies that if the power
supply died I would have a fighting change to get a replacement, the ones I
use at home use a very non-standard power supply connector.

Whatever you go for remember that you ought to make provision to back
everything up. If you are buying the usb disk for your backup then ensure
that you have at least two - and keep one off site (in your draw at work or
at home, for example).

Good point

G
 
gecko said:
I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
for good or bad?

250GB appeals to me.

Thanks

G

You haven't said whether you want to buy a prebuilt one of just an external
enclosure and put in your own hard disk.

If you just buy an external enclosure make sure the power supply is rated to
drive the capacity disk you want to install. But whatever you do stay away
from Coolermaster Xcraft enclosures.

I bought several Xcrafts in one purchase to backup my CD & DVD ISO files. I
create an MD5 checksum file on my internal drives fro the ISOs before
copying them to the Xcrafts and when I do the MD5 verify about 30% of the
copies fail and need to be redone before the verify shows the copy was
successful.
As it happens with all of the Xcrafts I got and all the disks installed in
them I wouldn't put it down to a failure of any of these but just a poor
product. (I also have some generic enclosures that work perfectly everytime
from the same USB port so the port is not the problem).
 
Well, either way you still end up with an 3.5" hard drive inside an
enclosure, so either you have some manufacture puts some specific 3.5" hard
drive inside 3.5" enclosure for you, or you buy and do yourself.

One of the reasons I don't buy the pre-assembled external hard drive cuz I
don't know if the hard drive is a normal IDE/SATA hard drive that we can
install on computer as internal, or a special design for specific external
case????

They are standard PATA or SATA. I vaguely recall that at
least one of the branded (drive manufacturer) externals that
comes with drive is sealed as-in, not meant to be openable
but I don't recall the specifics nor know if wedging a knife
around the case seams would get it open as will often work
with (other) snap together plastic casings.
 
You are still using 40GB and 80GB these days? My current system has (3)
300GB 7200 WD and (1) external 500GB SATA, and I am still fighting to free
up more disk space.

I am using VENUS D53 enclosure and it seems working fine. I don't know if
there is any better now, but it was one of the top choices when I bought it
(and had to pay little extra for it comparing to many others).


.... time to set up a NAS in a case large enough to put a
boatload of drives in.
 
You haven't said whether you want to buy a prebuilt one of just an external
enclosure and put in your own hard disk.

I have an enclosure now, and am not happy with it. So I am thinking a
pre-built one might work better.
If you just buy an external enclosure make sure the power supply is rated to
drive the capacity disk you want to install. But whatever you do stay away
from Coolermaster Xcraft enclosures.

I have not heard of them.
 
gecko said:
I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
for good or bad?

250GB appeals to me.

Check Fry's and www.salescircular.com for local specials. Fry's has
frequently sold 500GB external USB drives for $110.

It's possible you can buy an internal HD and an enclosure separately
for less than an external drive, but if you do, first consult
FatWallet.com's "The Official External Enclosure Thread" for both
technical informaiton and sources of bargains:

www.fatwallet.com/t/28/496281

Some enclosures can be awful, so look for something with plenty of
ventilation holes and a facility to let it stand upright securely.
Also avoid most enclosures with built-in power supplies because those
supplies are often not UL or CSA approved and may be pretty dangerous
and untrustworthy. An external power supply will almost always be UL
or CSA approved, and by being outside the enclosure, the internal HD
will run cooler.
 
Check Fry's and www.salescircular.com for local specials. Fry's has
frequently sold 500GB external USB drives for $110.

It's possible you can buy an internal HD and an enclosure separately
for less than an external drive, but if you do, first consult
FatWallet.com's "The Official External Enclosure Thread" for both
technical informaiton and sources of bargains:

www.fatwallet.com/t/28/496281

Some enclosures can be awful, so look for something with plenty of
ventilation holes and a facility to let it stand upright securely.
Upright? That struck me. My problematic enclosure lays horizontal as
does the drive therein.
Also avoid most enclosures with built-in power supplies because those
supplies are often not UL or CSA approved and may be pretty dangerous
and untrustworthy.
Mine has an internal PS. I just connect an AC cord to it. Maybe
that's the problem.
An external power supply will almost always be UL
or CSA approved, and by being outside the enclosure, the internal HD
will run cooler.
I still am operating under the hope that a new one, and self-contained
at that, would work better than what I have now which is heart attack
rendering.

Thanks for reply

G
 
kony said:
They are standard PATA or SATA. I vaguely recall that at
least one of the branded (drive manufacturer) externals that
comes with drive is sealed as-in, not meant to be openable
but I don't recall the specifics nor know if wedging a knife
around the case seams would get it open as will often work
with (other) snap together plastic casings.

I can understand IDE/SATA type is IDE/SATA type, but I am not talking
about IDE/SATA isn't standard IDE/SATA but if it's exactly like a normal
IDE/SATA drive with all the Jumpers, PIN, Power connector etc. that you can
easily install as internet (if the case is broken for example).

Some may be normal drive but how about all?
 
kony said:
... time to set up a NAS in a case large enough to put a
boatload of drives in.

I was thinking about the 1TG external drive, but then I read someone
mentions it's actually (2) 500GB tied together, and I read *if* one fails
then 2 go to trash can. Of course I never own one to know more detail.
 
gecko said:
I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
for good or bad?

250GB appeals to me.

Thanks

G

1st ones I looked at were Freecoms, but mfr spec quoted 50,000hr
MTTF which is pretty awful. Unfortunately I didnt find mttf / mtbf
specs for other makes, but I know I want more than 80-90% to
survive the first year.


NT
 
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