Removable HD trays soon to be non-Kludge

[Timothy Daniels]

Check this out:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040217/sftu057a_1.html

"Maxtor and Intel Team to Show the Performance of
Native Command Queuing and the Flexibility of Hot Plug
Capabilities Using Next Generation SATA"

It looks like removable hard drive trays (using serial
ATA connectors and hot-swap capabilities) will be
less kludgey later this year. I also foresee a new
Trios II type of HD manager, possibly called the
"Quatros", being offerred by Romtec due to the SATA
connectors taking up less space on the card that fits
into a PCI slot.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Rod Speed]

There's been formal standard removable drives
for a long time now. Full hot swap, too.

Check this out:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040217/sftu057a_1.html

No thanks, no news to anyone with a clue.

"Maxtor and Intel Team to Show the Performance
of Native Command Queuing and the Flexibility of
Hot Plug Capabilities Using Next Generation SATA"

It looks like removable hard drive trays
(using serial ATA connectors and hot-swap
capabilities) will be less kludgey later this year.

The only thing different there is the use of SATA.

We've had hot swap SCSI, USB2 and firewire for a long time now.

I also foresee a new Trios II type of HD manager,
possibly called the "Quatros", being offerred by
Romtec due to the SATA connectors taking up
less space on the card that fits into a PCI slot.

Its MUCH more likely that it will mostly be seen
with the mechanicals that are desirable with
any hot swap system instead.

And no one with a clue uses hotswap for manual
backup by cloning anyway. If you do need very
high uptime, anyone with a clue uses RAID or
what is much better again, full PC redundancy.

Because whatever you do with the hard
drives, thats useless if the PC dies, stupid.

 

[Lil' Dave]

Not everyone falls under high-end PCs, RAID, entry-level servers, and
mid-line and near-line storage solutions category. What about the little
guy that wants a such a solution? What OS are they using?
Dave

 

[Rod Speed]

Not everyone falls under high-end PCs, RAID, entry-level
servers, and mid-line and near-line storage solutions category.

Sure, but that is his situation, particularly the
very quick restoration on a boot drive failure.

It makes a lot more sense in his situation to have
another, not necessarily high performance, PC so he
can carry on regardless whatever fails in the main PC
and can repair what has failed in a more relaxed
manner, and in that situation there isnt any need
to use the massive kludge that removable drive trays
involve, or depowering the clone boot drive either.

What about the little guy that wants a such a solution?

Best to have a second PC, not necessarily that flash performance wise.

What OS are they using?

Not usually that relevant if more than one PC is used.

Thats the cheap way to get very high uptimes.

 

[Timothy Daniels]

"Rod Speed" confuses the issue:

Sure, but that is his situation, particularly the
very quick restoration on a boot drive failure.

Not true. You have the issues confused. I use a 2nd
internal bootable HD always running for use in a quick
change-over in case of primary HD failure.

I intend to use other HDs in removable trays to hold
backup image files, possibly compressed so that they
can contain several image files of the primary HD.
The HDs in removable trays don't necessarily have to
be bootable.

It makes a lot more sense in his situation to have
another, not necessarily high performance, PC so he
can carry on regardless whatever fails in the main PC
and can repair what has failed in a more relaxed
manner, and in that situation there isnt any need
to use the massive kludge that removable drive trays
involve, or depowering the clone boot drive either.

There is no current procedure or intention involving
de-powering the clone (secondary) HD. I *do*
seek a way to disconnect the power cable from the
*primary* HD after cloning it to the secondary
BEFORE STARTUP so that the clone can be
booted for the 1st time in isolation without having
to open the case to unplug the primary HD. The
ease afforded by just leaving the PC sitting where
it is in preparing the bootable clone encourages
keeping the bootable clone up to date.

Best to have a second PC, .....

Right. Second PC. More fan noise, ethernet communication
between the two, maybe a KVM switch as well, cables
strung all over the place, more desk space consumed,
another uninterruptible power supply, more power consumption,
another system to maintain. Uh... right on!

*TimDaniels*

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Not true.

Fraid so.

You have the issues confused.

Pigs arse I have.

I use a 2nd internal bootable HD always running for
use in a quick change-over in case of primary HD failure.

Pity that primary HD failure is only ONE of the ways
that system can fail. If you really do want to minimise
the downtime in the event of failure, the only thing that
makes any sense is another PC that can be used if
there is ANY failure with the primary PC.

I intend to use other HDs in removable trays to hold backup
image files, possibly compressed so that they can contain
several image files of the primary HD. The HDs in removable
trays don't necessarily have to be bootable.

Irrelevant to that question of low down time.

And its stupid to use that collosal kludge that removable
drive trays involve instead of the standardised way of
doing removable drives, external drives, or SATA drives.

AND you wont get any real speed difference
with a drive in a removable tray with image files.

There is no current procedure or intention
involving de-powering the clone (secondary) HD.

You say just below that thats what you plan.

You're the one comprehensively confused.

I *do* seek a way to disconnect the power cable
from the *primary* HD after cloning it to the
secondary BEFORE STARTUP so that the clone
can be booted for the 1st time in isolation without
having to open the case to unplug the primary HD.

Thats what depowering means, stupid. I didnt say
that that was done with the system powered up.

The ease afforded by just leaving the PC
sitting where it is in preparing the bootable clone
encourages keeping the bootable clone up to date.

Anyone with a clue automates that using an image
file so there doesnt have to be anyone there to turn
the power off the clone drive for the first boot after
the clone is made. That manual operation discourages
frequent cloning because the image file route can be
completely automated so it always happens.

Right. Second PC. More fan noise,

You dont have to have it turned on until its needed, ****wit.

And anyone with a clue can make a silent enough PC now anyway.

ethernet communication between the two,

Even you should be able to manage that if someone is stupid
enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.

maybe a KVM switch as well,

If up time is critical, its stupid to not have everything duplicated, cretin.

cables strung all over the place, more desk space consumed,
another uninterruptible power supply, more power consumption,
another system to maintain. Uh... right on!

Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of
your predicament better than that pathetic effort, child.

Even someone as stupid as you should be able
to work out how to turn it off until its needed.

 

[Timothy Daniels]

AND you wont get any real speed difference
with a drive in a removable tray with image files.

HDs in removable trays are cheaper than USB2
or Firewire external HDs, and they are faster.
They are used in all the student computer labs at
UCLA with no problems.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

HDs in removable trays are cheaper
than USB2 or Firewire external HDs,

Only a fool uses kludges like that because they are cheaper.

You are that fool.

and they are faster.

Pigs arse they are when creating image files to them.

They are used in all the student computer
labs at UCLA with no problems.

Complete pack of lies.

 

[Timothy Daniels]

Complete pack of lies.

Check it out:
HDs in removable trays are used in all the student
computer labs at UCLA (i.e. University of California
at Los Angles) with no problems. It lets each student
have his/her own system without the problems of
shared HDs.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Timothy Daniels]

"Rod Speed" had a "Senior Moment":

Thats what depowering means, stupid. I didnt say
that that was done with the system powered up.

"De-power" means to remove power that was
previously provided. It involves a change of state.
"Disconnecting the power cable before startup" means
not applying power to a device while the rest of the
system is started.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Check it out:
HDs in removable trays are used in all the student
computer labs at UCLA (i.e. University of California
at Los Angles) with no problems.

Repeating that lie changes nothing, child.

It lets each student have his/her own
system without the problems of shared HDs.

Different matter entirely, child.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

"De-power" means to remove power that was
previously provided. It involves a change of state.

Wota ****ing wanker. It says nothing about whether
the system is powered up at the time that the power
is disconnected from the drive, wanker.

"Disconnecting the power cable before startup"
means not applying power to a device while the
rest of the system is started.

And even someone as stupid as you should have noticed
that that is MUCH longer than the word depowered and
that its handy to have the shorter form available, wanker.