Refilling HP DJ120

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I have an HP Designjet 120 and would like the print to be more durable.
Even with original inks the print fade very rapidly. Once i made a
printout that looked fine, but on the way to mu costumer the print faded
so much that the costumer was dissatisfied. The trip took only 45 minutes!

Well. I know that Encad GX inks are very durable. Also the dye ink for
Epson Stylus Pro 9000 has rather good outdoor stability if laminated.
Even my Canon PIXMA can deliver a print that is virtually fade free.


Which other brand ink could I use for refilling my HP Designjet 120? The
machine makes astounding prints. Just too bad they only last a few hours.

I have heards someone telling me that I cannot use piezo-inks in a
bubble jet. Also that I need inks that are formulated to fit the high
dpi (2400x1200) - otherwise it will just spill out. Is this correct?

Best regards
Peter
 
x said:
I have an HP Designjet 120 and would like the print to be more
durable. Even with original inks the print fade very rapidly. Once i
made a printout that looked fine, but on the way to mu costumer the
print faded so much that the costumer was dissatisfied. The trip took
only 45 minutes!

Well. I know that Encad GX inks are very durable. Also the dye ink for
Epson Stylus Pro 9000 has rather good outdoor stability if laminated.
Even my Canon PIXMA can deliver a print that is virtually fade free.


Which other brand ink could I use for refilling my HP Designjet 120?
The machine makes astounding prints. Just too bad they only last a few
hours.
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there are only a few brands of ink. HP, Canon, Epson, Pantone, and
Lyson. Pantone costs even more than OEM and Lyson does not save you
enough and only is recommended for Epson by the mfg/formulator.
I have heards someone telling me that I cannot use piezo-inks in a
bubble jet.
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Gaw Head Make My Day
 
x said:
I have an HP Designjet 120 and would like the print to be more durable.
Even with original inks the print fade very rapidly. Once i made a
printout that looked fine, but on the way to mu costumer the print
faded so much that the costumer was dissatisfied. The trip took only 45
minutes!
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This posting strains credulity.

- Bob
 
Bob Headrick skrev:
This posting strains credulity.

- Bob
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I'm sorry if my post seems unbelievable, but never the less... All my
other printers (Encad Pro 60e, Epson stylus pro 9000) using dye inks
actually delivers results that have somewhat acceptable durability even
using aftermarket inks and outdoors.

I made a poster for a temporary outdoors sign and gave it a clear
laminate. The poster was faded already after the first day in the sun.
When realizing this, I made the same poster on my Encad - and it still
sits there after 6 months! Using GX inks.

So, unbelievably enough, HP Designjet inks are extremely fade sensitive.
 
Its possible, if the exposure to UV caused a reaction with the inks, if
they had not fully dried, and the paper.
 
Bob said:
Not when using HP ink and HP paper. See
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/hp/dj130.html
Your original post said 45 minutes. Sorry, I think that is just plain BS.

- Bob Headrick
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I find it hard to believe too, Bob. I've printed a few photos on plain
paper with aftermarket inks on an HP PSC 2110. They've been displayed
outside under plastic in August sun on a NY farm stand. (They're
snapshots of events that have happened to the family over the past year.
Regular customers like to keep up on these things.) Sure there's been
fading - I knew there would be. That's the reason I used less expensive
materials. But it took at least a week before anything was noticeable -
two before they had to be replaced. If you had let it dry and protected
it with a cover(You DID want it protected from getting dirty or ripped,
didn't you?), I can't imagine it fading that fast, no matter what ink or
paper you used.

Well, maybe if you used something that wasn't actually inkjet ink, like
some kind of stamp pad ink or something. But I can't imagine somebody
producing a print for sale with materials like that. It's about the
fastest way to bankruptcy that I can think of.

TJ
 
TJ said:
I find it hard to believe too, Bob. I've printed a few photos on plain
paper with aftermarket inks on an HP PSC 2110. They've been displayed
outside under plastic in August sun on a NY farm stand. (They're
snapshots of events that have happened to the family over the past
year. Regular customers like to keep up on these things.) Sure there's
been fading - I knew there would be. That's the reason I used less
expensive materials. But it took at least a week before anything was
noticeable - two before they had to be replaced. If you had let it dry
and protected it with a cover(You DID want it protected from getting
dirty or ripped, didn't you?), I can't imagine it fading that fast, no
matter what ink or paper you used.

Well, maybe if you used something that wasn't actually inkjet ink,
like some kind of stamp pad ink or something.
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But since the relabeler will not tell you the mfg/formulator and
disclose the brand you do not know what you are using.
 
measekite said:
But since the relabeler will not tell you the mfg/formulator and
disclose the brand you do not know what you are using.
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I did call Canon to ask them who was the mfg/formulator of their inks
and they said they couldn't disclose that information. Do you see a
trend here? ;-)

-Taliesyn

 
Taliesyn said:
I did call Canon to ask them who was the mfg/formulator of their inks
and they said they couldn't disclose that information. Do you see a
trend here? ;-)
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You do not have to call Canon. Everybody knows that Canon is the
formulator of their inks. Just look it up at the American patent
office. Now why don;t you tell us why you only mustered 300 on the SAT.
 
Taliesyn said:
I did call Canon to ask them who was the mfg/formulator of their inks
and they said they couldn't disclose that information. Do you see a
trend here? ;-)

-Taliesyn
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Meashershithead does not comprehend the truth. He's stuck-on-stupid.
Frank
 
measekite said:
You do not have to call Canon. Everybody knows that Canon is the
formulator of their inks.
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Sorry, but everybody believes Canon and not the group troll. Canon TOLD
ME they couldn't reveal this information as to who was the
mfg/formulator. Which part of this statement don't you understand? You
can keep the "Everybody knows that Canon is blah, blah, blah" shit as it
has no basis in solid fact, only your wishful thinking.

Just look it up at the American patent
office. Now why don;t you tell us why you only mustered 300 on the SAT.
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You can hold a patent and not be the manufacturer/formulator, stupid!
You guys still write those 19th century SATs where you live? No wonder
you're lost!!!

-Taliesyn
 
Taliesyn said:
You can hold a patent and not be the manufacturer/formulator, stupid!
You guys still write those 19th century SATs where you live? No wonder
you're lost!!!

-Taliesyn
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hehehe...good one!
Frank
 
No matter wether you believe my scenario or not, this is reality for me.
I don't use HP's own papers, but another brand acid free paper. This
paper works great in my other printers, so perhaps there is something to
the combination of paper/ink.

I mentioned 45 minutes - driving in a car with an unprotected print
lying in the summer sun. Of course this will have an impact on any
dye-based print - but it still amazes me that this would have such an
extreme impact...

Back to my initial question: Which other brand of ink would have better
properties? I know that GX inks are very durabel - but will they destroy
my printhead, as they are formulated to be used in 600dpi printers?

best regards

Peter

canon_phreak skrev:
 
GX inks are dye as well as HP 120's. So, there is something strange in the
fact that they fade so fast.
99% you can use GX inks into hp 120 ink and printhead cartridges. But, it's
a complicated task (you need chips, good refill instructions, check for
compatiblity of inks, etc). I suggest to find a local refiller you would
trust. But first, check any other possible reason, like canon-phreak's
opinion:
"Its possible, if the exposure to UV caused a reaction with the inks, if
they had not fully dried, and the paper".
 
I read your comment as: It is 99% sure that GX inks work in DJ120. Correct?

I already have a bulk-system for my DJ120, so it would be rather easy to
switch over.

It's my experience that different manufacturers of inks make different
qualities. GX inks are more durable than GS inks, though they are both
dye based.

The ink, that fade most rapidly on all my machines is magenta/light
magenta. This means that almost everything tends to get blue over time.

Black does almost not fade at all.

Best regards
Peter

Yianni skrev:
 
I read your comment as: It is 99% sure that GX inks work in DJ120.
Correct?
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Yes, if not say 99.9%.

I already have a bulk-system for my DJ120, so it would be rather easy to
switch over.
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So, if you have a bulk system try first the ink *compatibilities*. Mix them
(both of each color) in a glass. See for sedimentation or something inside.
It's very hard (if not possible) to check cyan and magenta inks. The ink
should work, but I don't know for compatibility. If they are incompatible,
things are worse, because it needs to flush both ink and printhead
cartridge, something not easy.
The black is pigment. That's why don'd fade at all. Don't use another for
black (pigments suffer more in their compatibility).

It's my experience that different manufacturers of inks make different
qualities. GX inks are more durable than GS inks, though they are both dye
based.
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Notice, I don't expect much difference in fade resistance between HP and
Encad inks. Both companies produce good inks. I suspect something strange
happens to your prints. In your situation I would try first *only* the light
magenta, because you said the magenta/light magenta fade more. HP printers
use very little magenta in relation to light magenta. So, the fading happens
to light magenta. And it's easier to check ink compatibility for light
magenta because it's a light ink (you could see through in a glass).
 
HP printers use very little magenta in relation to light magenta.
For printing photos. Magenta is consumed more if you print vector graphics.
 
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