Refill-friendly ink jet printer recommendations?

[Burma Jones]

Can anyone recommend any $200 to $500 ink jet printers that are user-friendly about refilling ink cartridges? Brands and even specific models please. HP is out for me. I'm not just talking about being able to refill the cartridges and use them, but also being able to reset ink levels. And which cartriges are the easiest to refill without making a mess. Thx

 

[Burt]

Sorry to inform you, Burma, but you missed the easy to fill Canons by about
seven or eight months. If you can still find an ip6000, ip5000 or ip4000
(new, hopefully) somewhere in the pipeling go for it. The best printer in
the Canon line prior to the new ones with the chipped carts is the i9900.
There were some available last month with decent prices on the internet.
Anything under $400 would be a good price. The present crop of Canons -
ip4200, ip5200, ip6600, are easy to refill but have chips on the carts that
track when the cart is empty and still thinks it is empty when you refill
and replace it in the printer. It will work just fine but gives you some
nasty messages about the printer warranty. No aftermarket carts yet, but
there are a few vendors with inks for these carts. The ink level monitor
was never great on these printers anyway, so that isn't a big deal. Just
check visually periodically and before a big print run. These carts are
clear plastic and you can check ink levels easily in less than a minute.
Hopefully, someone will come up with a chip resetter and/or aftermarket
carts soon for them.

BTW, best to post in plain text on newsgroups, please, as some newsgroup
readers do not have the ability to read HTML posts.

Can anyone recommend any $200 to $500 ink jet printers that are
user-friendly about refilling ink cartridges? Brands and even specific
models please. HP is out for me. I'm not just talking about being able to
refill the cartridges and use them, but also being able to reset ink levels.
And which cartriges are the easiest to refill without making a mess. Thx

 

[tenchman]

Why make life more difficult?

Just buy a printer that has a CIS system available for it, you'll find a variety of CIS systems easy enough on eBay and similar, then all you have to do is top up the external tanks when required, no ink resetter required, just power off and on when the warning comes and your ready to go again.
No mess no fuss.

D.

Can anyone recommend any $200 to $500 ink jet printers that are user-friendly about refilling ink cartridges? Brands and even specific models please. HP is out for me. I'm not just talking about being able to refill the cartridges and use them, but also being able to reset ink levels. And which cartriges are the easiest to refill without making a mess. Thx

 

[measekite]

Can anyone recommend any $200 to $500 ink jet printers that are
user-friendly about refilling ink cartridges?

Thank God there are none. The printer companies decided to protect
their customers from generic inferior ink.

 

[Taliesyn]

Thank God there are none. The printer companies decided to protect
their customers from generic inferior ink.

Actually, the printer companies are more likely interested in protecting
themselves - their "cash cow" ink cartridge business, which generates
some ridiculous amount like 3 or 4 billion dollars per year. Now you
know why the printers are given away but the ink isn't.

-Taliesyn

 

[Richard Steinfeld]

Why make life more difficult?

Just buy a printer that has a CIS system available for it, you'll find a
variety of CIS systems easy enough on eBay and similar, then all you
have to do is top up the external tanks when required, no ink resetter
required, just power off and on when the warning comes and your ready to
go again.
No mess no fuss.

And "CIS" means?????

Richard

 

[measekite]

Actually, the printer companies are more likely interested in protecting
themselves - their "cash cow" ink cartridge business, which generates
some ridiculous amount like 3 or 4 billion dollars per year. Now you
know why the printers are given away but the ink isn't.

Oh Yeah

i think you should stop patronizing them since you do not like them.
you should no longer buy printers from HP, Epson, or Canon. if you want
to print get an aftermarket printer and if there is not one then contact
the relabelers and ask them to provide one for you. Until then i think
you should limit yourself to paint brushes and pens.

 

[measekite]

And "CIS" means?????

Ceep It Simple

 

[zakezuke]

measekite said <snipped per request>:

Or, continue using "their" printers which cost tens of dollars, and
continue buying aftermarket ink. This way there is legit competition
between the OEMs and aftermarket manufacturers. Competition is good as
it helps keep OEM prices down.

You see Measekite, it's not really your place to tell someone else
who's already made a clear choice as to which consumable to buy that
you wish they woudln't use it. Like Taliesyn I'm perfectly happy
patronizing HP, Canon, and Epson. I do buy OEM ink from time to time
but for most of my printing needs aftermarket does a fine job. I'm
under no legal, moral, nor ethical obligation buy OEM consumables. If
the OEMs would drop their prices by about 50% rather than continue to
raise them, then i'd consider buying OEM ink more often.

Each user who buys aftermarket ink is sending a message to the
manufacturers, and that message is OEM costs too much.

 

[zakezuke]

And "CIS" means?????

Continuous ink system, i.e. external tanks. I have no direct experence
with them personaly. When they work right I imagine that they are
ultra handy. You can do huge jobs without worry of running out of ink,
you know your levels by look, and you don't have to muck with things
until empty, and then the mucking is minimal. The downside is the fact
that there needs to be good balance between the ink supply and the
cartridges, otherwise they don't work right.

Epson has the best refilling support presently, unless you get a older
canon. If I were to use my epson again, I would likely buy some of the
sponge type cartridge. I had issues with the sponge free type though
it was probally my choice in cartridges that resulted in annoyance.
Mine required burping.

Present canons can be refilled but you lose the ability to meter your
ink, unlike older models which would report the usual warnings at 20%
full.

 

[Taliesyn]

Oh Yeah

i think you should stop patronizing them since you do not like them.
you should no longer buy printers from HP, Epson, or Canon. if you want
to print get an aftermarket printer and if there is not one then contact
the relabelers and ask them to provide one for you. Until then i think
you should limit yourself to paint brushes and pens.

Oh yeah, like I have a "moral obligation". If Ford had a designer line
of "Henry Ford Anniversary Gasoline", priced at 10 to 20 times normal
generic prices, you would buy it just because you bought a Ford. Get a
grip on reality, life doesn't work that way.

The generic ink I choose to use - HobbiColors - works fine in my printer
and to my complete satisfaction (& my printer's). I do no not need
designer inks to operate my printer nor to help bankroll billion
dollar printer makers who "give away" printers and then recoup on their
brand of inks. They obviously make way, way too much money to be able to
give away some very expensive to manufacture printers for basically the
same price as easy to make, dirt cheap sets of vinyl cartridges filled
with inexpensive colorants and a few additives. I'll take the printers
but WILL NOT be enticed to use their designer inks.

-Taliesyn

 

[Frank]

Actually, the printer companies are more likely interested in protecting
themselves - their "cash cow" ink cartridge business, which generates
some ridiculous amount like 3 or 4 billion dollars per year. Now you
know why the printers are given away but the ink isn't.

-Taliesyn

Only a fool like meashershithead is willing to for oem overpriced ink carts.
Idiot!
Frank

 

[measekite]

Do not take the printers either.

Oh yeah, like I have a "moral obligation". If Ford had a designer line
of "Henry Ford Anniversary Gasoline", priced at 10 to 20 times normal
generic prices, you would buy it just because you bought a Ford. Get a
grip on reality, life doesn't work that way.

The generic ink I choose to use - HobbiColors - works fine in my printer
and to my complete satisfaction (& my printer's). I do no not need
designer inks to operate my printer nor to help bankroll billion
dollar printer makers who "give away" printers and then recoup on their
brand of inks. They obviously make way, way too much money to be able to
give away some very expensive to manufacture printers for basically the
same price as easy to make, dirt cheap sets of vinyl cartridges filled
with inexpensive colorants and a few additives. I'll take the printers
but WILL NOT be enticed to use their designer inks.

-Taliesyn

 

[Taliesyn]

Do not take the printers either.

Who are you, my mother!?!?

Your comments are so incredibly LAME and UNPROFESSIONAL that it would
draw laughter if Canon were to print such an absurdity in their manual
or website.

The correct and professional way to state what you are trying to say is:
"For the best results use Genuine Canon inks and papers", which is an
actual Canon quote.

I'm not doubting their promo. But my own policy is "Use what works at
the price you like" I especially don't listen to Internet "moms" who
care more about billion dollar businesses and less about me. ;-)

-Taliesyn

 

[measekite]

Who are you, my mother!?!?

does shet know you skipped school today?

Your comments are so incredibly LAME and UNPROFESSIONAL that it would
draw laughter if Canon were to print such an absurdity in their manual
or website.

The correct and professional way to state what you are trying to say is:
"For the best results use Genuine Canon inks and papers", which is an
actual Canon quote.

I'm not doubting their promo. But my own policy is "Use what works at
the price you like" I especially don't listen to Internet "moms" who
care more about billion dollar businesses and less about me. ;-)

it is qauiter obvious you du nut llissen to ma ma

 

[Frank]

Who are you, my mother!?!?

Your comments are so incredibly LAME and UNPROFESSIONAL that it would
draw laughter if Canon were to print such an absurdity in their manual
or website.

The correct and professional way to state what you are trying to say is:
"For the best results use Genuine Canon inks and papers", which is an
actual Canon quote.

I'm not doubting their promo. But my own policy is "Use what works at
the price you like" I especially don't listen to Internet "moms" who
care more about billion dollar businesses and less about me. ;-)

-Taliesyn

T...stand by for meashershitheads lame ass childish replies.
Frank

 

[zakezuke]

measekite said <snipped per request>

You sir are still not getting it. We are under no moral, ethical, or
legal obligation to use OEM ink and a printer. You "buy" the printer
flat out, you can do with it what ever you like. Using OEM ink and
paper even a condition of the warranty, it can't be, that would be
illegal in most countries. It's not even bucking the system, ink is a
product not even made by the OEMs.

You can buy a Ford and use Castrol oil given to you by Jiffylube, You
can buy a bread machine and throw in your own yeast and flour. And you
can use Hobbicolors ink in your Canon printer. Now, you can say OEM
will last longer, but i'm not going to spend 8 to 10 times more for a
Yahoo map.

 

[Ian]

it is qauiter obvious you du nut llissen to ma ma

I think you made your point. Very unprofessional and uneducated.

Again you post once about the ills of refilling...and then turn to this
garbage. Know wonder know one listens to you.