Reasons for a Recovery Partition

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1. Cheaper for the OEM
2. Users regularly delete it and consequently have to pay more money to
Micro$lut to get Windows working again. WPA and WGA serve the same
purpose for Micro$lut.

Alias
 
Alias said:
1. Cheaper for the OEM
True.

2. Users regularly delete it and consequently have to pay more money to
Micro$lut to get Windows working again.
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A deliberate lie. As everyone knows, Microsoft doesn't support OEM
installations. The user would have to purchase installation media from
the computer manufacturer.

WPA and WGA serve the same
purpose for Micro$lut.
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Again, a deliberate lie. Neither process generates any revenue for
Microsoft, unless it turns out the user does indeed have an illicit copy
and subsequently opts to purcahse a legitimate license.


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Bruce said:
A deliberate lie. As everyone knows, Microsoft doesn't support OEM
installations. The user would have to purchase installation media from
the computer manufacturer.
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Note I said "pay more money" for a new OS, of course! Are you saying
that Walmart, New Egg, et al, would refuse to sell someone a copy of
Windows?
Again, a deliberate lie. Neither process generates any revenue for
Microsoft, unless it turns out the user does indeed have an illicit copy
and subsequently opts to purcahse a legitimate license.
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Or they get a false positive, believe it, and run out and buy a new copy.

Alias
 
Alias said:
Note I said "pay more money" for a new OS, of course! Are you saying that
Walmart, New Egg, et al, would refuse to sell someone a copy of Windows?


Or they get a false positive, believe it, and run out and buy a new copy.

Alias
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OEMS do recovery partitions because they are harder to lose than loose
CD's..

The recovery partition also installs all software necessary for all devices
in the computer to work..
 
Mike said:
OEMS do recovery partitions because they are harder to lose than loose
CD's..
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No, they do it to make money, nothing else, just like they do with
including trial software.
The recovery partition also installs all software necessary for all
devices in the computer to work..
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I remember when you got two or more CDs for the OS and the Drivers.

Alias
 
There he goes again - complaining that he can't steal Vista. Poor baby!

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Bruce Chambers said:
A deliberate lie. As everyone knows, Microsoft doesn't support OEM
installations. The user would have to purchase installation media from
the computer manufacturer.




Again, a deliberate lie. Neither process generates any revenue for
Microsoft, unless it turns out the user does indeed have an illicit copy
and subsequently opts to purcahse a legitimate license.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

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Alias said:
No, they do it to make money, nothing else, just like they do with
including trial software.


I remember when you got two or more CDs for the OS and the Drivers.

Alias
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Yes, we all remember OEMs sending out CDs, but the users tended to lose
them, so they took the recovery partition route..

Another reason for the recovery partition is that each one is pertinent to
just ONE model, and it saves the company having to keep thousands of old
recovery sets..
 
Richard said:
There he goes again - complaining that he can't steal Vista. Poor baby!
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And what makes you think that one, I want to steal Vista and two, why
the **** would I want to **** up a good machine with Vista?

That said, I have Vista Ultimate gathering dust on the shelf.

Got any more lies you want to spew in your desperate effort to avoid the
issues, Mr MVP?

Alias
 
Mike said:
Yes, we all remember OEMs sending out CDs, but the users tended to lose
them, so they took the recovery partition route..
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Not because they are concerned about users, that's for sure. Hard drive
goes south and so does the recovery partition.
Another reason for the recovery partition is that each one is pertinent
to just ONE model, and it saves the company having to keep thousands of
old recovery sets..
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Yes, one can order one if one wants to. I wonder where they come from,
your ASS?

Alias.
 
Cat-In-A-Flat said:
Find that hard to believe, that OEM's were concerned about misplaced CD's.
Dell, for one, would charge you $20(or 10) for the CD/DVD...so it seems
more about saving money(and making a little extra).
They want you to restore their "crapware edition", not a clean install.
That's the real reason.

They can ship the OS DVD...the drivers can either be on a recovery CD, or
thru a website.

A recovery partition located on a hard drive makes no sense...if the drive
fails.
Or if the user totally borks the drive.

Users should insist on the install disk...plain and simple...or buy
elsewhere.
Then recovery partitions will go away.

Plus, you paid for a 500GB harddrive...you should get it all.
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Misplaced CD's were a huge problem.. some users were asking for replacements
which related to hardware not made in three or four years. Even now, you see
posts relating to lost CD's..

Most OEMs have a facility for the user to create a recovery set. How many
users do you think take the time to do that?

Most use their computers, filling them up with crap to the point where they
have to delete the recovery partition in order to save more. And backups?
What backups?

Backups are also pertinent when a drive fails. What backups? Excuses follow
like "I didn't have any DVDs at the time"

re what you pay for.. the system has a 500gb drive which does not format to
500gb so a part is lost anyway, a bigger part than that taken up by any
recovery partition.

Drivers on a CD supplied by the OEM? The pet rabbit ate them.. I have moved
house twice and they were lost on route.. Some manage drivers from websites
ok.. others haven't got the first clue..

A recovery partition gets over 99% of the above, and is why the exist, and
yes, it probably does save a few cents on every PC purchased.. big deal, eh
 
Alias said:
1. Cheaper for the OEM
2. Users regularly delete it
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Anyone doing this would be foolish and I don't consider these (1. & 2.)
objective statements.
Also, in the case of Dell for sure, a reinstallation CD/DVD is furnished for
Windows Vista and probably other versions too.
Why even bother criticizing, unless looking for trouble?
 
Cat-In-A-Flat said:
The Vista install DVD.
Has nothing to do with a driver CD.



They wouldn't need to with the Vista DVD.
And, since these users lose CD's left-and-right, they would lose the
recovery set.


You have a general disdain for computer users?
I make back-ups of data...I don't need to back up an OS when I have the
installation DVD.


And where is the restoration partition?
Lost.
Now they must call and pay for a DVD they should have got in the first
place.


a 10 GB recovery partition takes up space that need not be taken,
regardless.


You ever see a rabbit eat a CD?
I do notice you think all people are stupid.
Tell your next customer just how stupid he/she is.


No its saves more than a few cents...and it guarentees all the OEM
crapware is re-installed.
If it wasn't for this, McAfee would have been gone years ago.
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Actually, I have seen damage to a CD caused by a domestic rabbit..

I don't have disdain for computer users at all but I have been around long
enough to have seen and heard most of the excuses.

And yes, users are as careless with recovery sets as they are with generic
OEM media. Had you been around long enough, you would know this too.

Anyway, I don't agree always with the way that OEMs do things, but if you
feel so strongly about it, write to them and complain. .
 
Cat-In-A-Flat said:
I typed it.
I'm the one who said they would lose them too, these silly users who lose
their CD's, keyboards, and mice.



Why write to them?
I have the installation media.
That's why I think recovery partitions are idiotic.

The recovery partition isn't due to lost CD's, it's to prevent customers
from doing clean installs and wiping that BS bundled software.
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Whatever..
 
Cat-In-A-Flat said:
LOL.
No debating that.
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It isn't worth debating.. you don't lose stuff so there should be no
recovery partition according to your laws..
 
Cat-In-A-Flat said:
I don't lose stuff.
It's why they make boxes,closets.

The law of common sense?

Another reason for the restore partition...easy for the phone tech to say
" Boot the PC, hit F2,4,11,12 ... select restore".
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Yes.. an unfortunate scenario and all too common.. We should all be like you
and only give tutoring on how to post the way you want us to do it.. :-)
 
webster72n said:
Anyone doing this would be foolish and I don't consider these (1. & 2.)
objective statements.
Also, in the case of Dell for sure, a reinstallation CD/DVD is furnished
for Windows Vista and probably other versions too.
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My post was a warning. Your post was what?

Alias
 
Frank wrote:

His usual lies, insults, weird sexual fantasies and bluster.

Nice combo, huh?

Alias
 
Frank said:
Alias wrote:
His usual lies, insults, weird sexual fantasies and bluster.
Nice combo, huh?
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Um, your broken record of lies, profanity, name calling, weird sexual
fantasies about your perceived enemies and a whole lot of meaningless
bluster is not punishment. It's stupidity, something you have a surplus of.

Alias
 
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