Question2: Windows 3.x and Radeon9800 or Radeon series driver

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Tony DiMarzio

Please don't ask why :) , but I am trying to get Wfw (windows for
workgroups) 3.11 to cooperate with my 9800 pro. All I want is to be able to
do 1024x768@8bpp, or what win3.x refers to as a SVGA mode. Setting this mode
using the win3.x generic driver results in graphics corruption and is
unusable. Has anyone heard of or used an ATI driver that works with Radeon
serious vid cards in win3.x? it might not even be a radeon driver, but
something close enough like a rage driver.


________________________________
Windows XP (2600-Professional) w/ SP1
Tbird 1400@1470 [14x*105fsb] AYHJA
A7V133 1.05@1007 (Jumperless Mode)
Via 4-in-1-438a Final
Thermalright Ax-7, YS-Tech 80mm 3-pin 48.5 CFM, 3300 RPM, 37 dba(RPM and CFM
adjustable)
512mb (2 x (Performance Series Micro BGA- PC-166 (2/2/2) - 256))
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (Catalyst 4.1) (C-378mhz / M-337.5mhz) OC to
(C-398.25mhz / M-351mhz) (411.75/357.75)
SbAudigy 5.1 (PCI-Slot 3)
3COM 3C905C-TX (PCI-Slot 2)

60gb IBM 60gxp primary/master
120gb Western Digital WD1200JB primary/slave
16x HI-VAL DVDrom (BDV316C) secondary/master
48x/24x/48x plextor (PX-W4824A) secondary/slave

LianLi PC-6070 *Silent* Aluminum Mid-Tower Case | 2x80mm intake fans, 1x80mm
exhaust fan
PowerMax 470watt Aluminum Power Supply
 
I don't think that's possible. The ATI cards that were around at the time
WFWG was the current operating system were the mach 8 and mach 32 and 64
cards which were a totally different technology than the accelerators used
today. You will probably be able to get the Radeon card to work in VGA mode
because all video cards use VGA as the default display just to display BIOS
and POST information. But otherwise I think you are out of luck. If you
are just trying to see if you can get it to work, cool. But what about
motherboard drivers, and all the other hardware on your PCI system? WFWG
will not have drivers for any of that stuff.

JK
 
Wfw3.11 is basically a GUI front end to it's underlying DOS base. In MY
particular case, the underlying DOS base is MS-DOS 7.10 full (not the one
bundled with win98). So if DOS works then it follows -Win3.x should work,
and it does... albeit with a little tweaking.

At this point I have Wfw3.11 running on my system. The only drivers 3.11
needed/accept were audio, video, and network. I've about given up on the SB
audigy. The network is getting close but no cigar yet (i've got tcpip and
windows networking running in DOS 7.10 already though) - it's really ****in
pissing me off because the error message lacks verbosity so i can't
debug.... And video - that's the most important :) you cant run an os at VGA
resoltuion and color. yuck.

--
Tony DiMarzio
(e-mail address removed)
(e-mail address removed)
John Hall said:
I don't think that's possible. The ATI cards that were around at the time
WFWG was the current operating system were the mach 8 and mach 32 and 64
cards which were a totally different technology than the accelerators used
today. You will probably be able to get the Radeon card to work in VGA mode
because all video cards use VGA as the default display just to display BIOS
and POST information. But otherwise I think you are out of luck. If you
are just trying to see if you can get it to work, cool. But what about
motherboard drivers, and all the other hardware on your PCI system? WFWG
will not have drivers for any of that stuff.

JK

Tony DiMarzio said:
Please don't ask why :) , but I am trying to get Wfw (windows for
workgroups) 3.11 to cooperate with my 9800 pro. All I want is to be able to
do 1024x768@8bpp, or what win3.x refers to as a SVGA mode. Setting this mode
using the win3.x generic driver results in graphics corruption and is
unusable. Has anyone heard of or used an ATI driver that works with Radeon
serious vid cards in win3.x? it might not even be a radeon driver, but
something close enough like a rage driver.


________________________________
Windows XP (2600-Professional) w/ SP1
Tbird 1400@1470 [14x*105fsb] AYHJA
A7V133 1.05@1007 (Jumperless Mode)
Via 4-in-1-438a Final
Thermalright Ax-7, YS-Tech 80mm 3-pin 48.5 CFM, 3300 RPM, 37 dba(RPM and CFM
adjustable)
512mb (2 x (Performance Series Micro BGA- PC-166 (2/2/2) - 256))
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (Catalyst 4.1) (C-378mhz / M-337.5mhz) OC to
(C-398.25mhz / M-351mhz) (411.75/357.75)
SbAudigy 5.1 (PCI-Slot 3)
3COM 3C905C-TX (PCI-Slot 2)

60gb IBM 60gxp primary/master
120gb Western Digital WD1200JB primary/slave
16x HI-VAL DVDrom (BDV316C) secondary/master
48x/24x/48x plextor (PX-W4824A) secondary/slave

LianLi PC-6070 *Silent* Aluminum Mid-Tower Case | 2x80mm intake fans, 1x80mm
exhaust fan
PowerMax 470watt Aluminum Power Supply
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Sounds a little like running Win98 in safemode. Have fun.

JK

Tony DiMarzio said:
Wfw3.11 is basically a GUI front end to it's underlying DOS base. In MY
particular case, the underlying DOS base is MS-DOS 7.10 full (not the one
bundled with win98). So if DOS works then it follows -Win3.x should work,
and it does... albeit with a little tweaking.

At this point I have Wfw3.11 running on my system. The only drivers 3.11
needed/accept were audio, video, and network. I've about given up on the SB
audigy. The network is getting close but no cigar yet (i've got tcpip and
windows networking running in DOS 7.10 already though) - it's really ****in
pissing me off because the error message lacks verbosity so i can't
debug.... And video - that's the most important :) you cant run an os at VGA
resoltuion and color. yuck.

--
Tony DiMarzio
(e-mail address removed)
(e-mail address removed)
John Hall said:
I don't think that's possible. The ATI cards that were around at the time
WFWG was the current operating system were the mach 8 and mach 32 and 64
cards which were a totally different technology than the accelerators used
today. You will probably be able to get the Radeon card to work in VGA mode
because all video cards use VGA as the default display just to display BIOS
and POST information. But otherwise I think you are out of luck. If you
are just trying to see if you can get it to work, cool. But what about
motherboard drivers, and all the other hardware on your PCI system? WFWG
will not have drivers for any of that stuff.

JK

Tony DiMarzio said:
Please don't ask why :) , but I am trying to get Wfw (windows for
workgroups) 3.11 to cooperate with my 9800 pro. All I want is to be
Click to expand...
able
to
do 1024x768@8bpp, or what win3.x refers to as a SVGA mode. Setting
Click to expand...
this
mode
using the win3.x generic driver results in graphics corruption and is
unusable. Has anyone heard of or used an ATI driver that works with Radeon
serious vid cards in win3.x? it might not even be a radeon driver, but
something close enough like a rage driver.


________________________________
Windows XP (2600-Professional) w/ SP1
Tbird 1400@1470 [14x*105fsb] AYHJA
A7V133 1.05@1007 (Jumperless Mode)
Via 4-in-1-438a Final
Thermalright Ax-7, YS-Tech 80mm 3-pin 48.5 CFM, 3300 RPM, 37 dba(RPM
Click to expand...
and
CFM
adjustable)
512mb (2 x (Performance Series Micro BGA- PC-166 (2/2/2) - 256))
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (Catalyst 4.1) (C-378mhz / M-337.5mhz) OC to
(C-398.25mhz / M-351mhz) (411.75/357.75)
SbAudigy 5.1 (PCI-Slot 3)
3COM 3C905C-TX (PCI-Slot 2)

60gb IBM 60gxp primary/master
120gb Western Digital WD1200JB primary/slave
16x HI-VAL DVDrom (BDV316C) secondary/master
48x/24x/48x plextor (PX-W4824A) secondary/slave

LianLi PC-6070 *Silent* Aluminum Mid-Tower Case | 2x80mm intake fans, 1x80mm
exhaust fan
PowerMax 470watt Aluminum Power Supply
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
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