Queries about Norton Antivirus Corporate Edition and Client Firewall

[emil_lam]

Hi,

My computer have Symantec Norton Antivirus Corporate Version
10.1.4.400 & Symantec Client Firewall Version 8.7.4.79 installed. My
system administrator told me that Symantec's antivirus software were
among the worst commercial product in the market. Was my friend's
comment true(His company used F-Secure product)? How F-Secure
antivirus & internet security products compared to Symantec?

How Norton Antivirus Corporate Edition differs from other non-
Corporate Edition (e.g. Norton AntiVirus 2007,2008)?

Tks!

 

[David H. Lipman]

From: "emil_lam" <[email protected]>

| Hi,

| My computer have Symantec Norton Antivirus Corporate Version
| 10.1.4.400 & Symantec Client Firewall Version 8.7.4.79 installed. My
| system administrator told me that Symantec's antivirus software were
| among the worst commercial product in the market. Was my friend's
| comment true(His company used F-Secure product)? How F-Secure
| antivirus & internet security products compared to Symantec?

| How Norton Antivirus Corporate Edition differs from other non-
| Corporate Edition (e.g. Norton AntiVirus 2007,2008)?

| Tks!

He's right!

F-Secure is OK and hedges out Symantec.

Norton and Symantec are the same and it doesn't matter if it is corporate or retail, they
usethe same signatues.

However the GUI of non corporate versions tend to have the "bloat" problem.

 

[David H. Lipman]

From: "emil_lam" <[email protected]>

| Hi,

| My computer have Symantec Norton Antivirus Corporate Version
| 10.1.4.400 & Symantec Client Firewall Version 8.7.4.79 installed. My
| system administrator told me that Symantec's antivirus software were
| among the worst commercial product in the market. Was my friend's
| comment true(His company used F-Secure product)? How F-Secure
| antivirus & internet security products compared to Symantec?

| How Norton Antivirus Corporate Edition differs from other non-
| Corporate Edition (e.g. Norton AntiVirus 2007,2008)?

| Tks!

BTW:
Why are you asking about Symantec AV in a Sophos news group ?

 

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Little Charlie" <[email protected]>

| David have you personally installed any NAV 2009 /2010 or NIS 2009 /
| 2010 products yourself? Every reviewer I have read -and- my own
| experiences show the old tired "Norton is bloatware" (which is never
| supported with data but just a shoot-from-the-hip 'parroting' much like
| a Macaw) argument to be baseless since Symantec's 2009 product line
| offering. So..have you tried them for yourself and haven't you read the
| reviews and test data such as vbuletin and icsa? Been away for a few
| years from this group David and smiled when I saw your posts and
| chuckled at your same old worn-out regurgitated Norton-bashing
| 'promulgations'

People give me their PCs to clean. All various notebooks and desktops. Besides the
factor I got their PCs because they were infected, those with the various flavours
Norton/Symantec are noticibly hindered by the retail versions. You can see and feel the
OS sluggishness (this includs Norton 360). The sluggishness is not noted on the
enterprise versions. Albeit the versions with the Symantec FireWall can become
problematic.

Since their ability catch most malware is low, they get removed and replaced with Avira
AntiVir and MBAM.

 

[David H. Lipman]

From: <[email protected]>

| David this is baseless 'proof'. What is DOES NOT do is test or rate
| in any way the integrity of Norton products ( 2009/2010 line). What it
| DOES DO is to once again affirm that if people launch anything and
| everything they can click on and allow malweare full access, then
| certainly they will be infected REGARDLESS of the AV used.

| MOREOVER the point I took exception to in the first place was your
| tired old chant about 'Norton bloatware' NOT Norton detection. The
| Norton 2009 / 2010 line is very light on resources. So..I ASK AGAIN
| have you read the test reviews and AV comparitive test that clearly
| show this new era of Norton security products? Maybe you should do
| your own tests and take actual hard , cold data. Instead of yoyur
| endless Norton bloatware mantra.

I have done my own tests and I don't change what I posted.

I suggest you ignore me.

 

[Leythos]

Hi,

My computer have Symantec Norton Antivirus Corporate Version
10.1.4.400 & Symantec Client Firewall Version 8.7.4.79 installed. My
system administrator told me that Symantec's antivirus software were
among the worst commercial product in the market. Was my friend's
comment true(His company used F-Secure product)? How F-Secure
antivirus & internet security products compared to Symantec?

How Norton Antivirus Corporate Edition differs from other non-
Corporate Edition (e.g. Norton AntiVirus 2007,2008)?

Tks!

While you dismiss David's experience and knowledge, you might want to
listen to him and myself.

I've used Symantec Corporate Edition products on thousands of computers
since version 7.6 came out. In that time I've never (until last month)
had a single malware compromised computer on any network we've designed
and managed, while managing it.

I've seen thousands of compromised computers, both when we take over a
network and when we work on home computers for company owners.

In my decades of experience I had not found a product that worked better
for my own system or my clients UNTIL last month. Keep in mind, I detest
their HOME product line, and they've had a few issues where V9 borked a
lot of things, 10.(can't remember), would corrupt user profiles, etc...

I had a machine in one of my DMZ networks, no HTTP filtering, and it was
running SEPP 11.5, the latest and greatest, all the tools and up-to-
date. I was logged on as a local Admin, browsed to a website, spelled it
incorrectly, and was compromised in seconds without having to click
another thing. Symantec didn't even alert to it, a full scan in Safe
Mode didn't remove the multiple malware... To make a long story very
short, I cleaned it up, uninstalled SEPP, installed Avira, it fould
more, cleaned it, and then went back to the website that compromised the
system - Avira (FREE) blocked the attack, alerted, kept the computer
safe....

I have moved all of my computers and started moving clients computers to
Avira PAID versions and will not switch back to Symantec until I can
prove in my lab that it will stop drive-by attacks that should never
have been able to compromise a computer.

Do I have strict technical stats published somewhere - NO
Do I have details for you to inspect - NO
Do I have this information validated by a third-party - NO

You are welcome to believe what you want - the information is for you to
ignore if you want, but you have no reason to argue against the data
because you don't have enough information to base your argument on.

 

[Leythos]

Thank you for validating your credibility!! LOL!!

You're welcome, and thanks for showing that you are unwilling to learn
from anyone's experience with the products you asked about.

 

[The Real Truth MVP]

Hahahahahaha! good one. Leythos is an idiot but you don't need me to tell
you that.



--
The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/
*WARNING* Do NOT follow any advice given by the people listed below.
They do NOT have the expertise or knowledge to fix your issue. Do not waste
your time.
David H Lipman, Malke, PA Bear, Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Leythos.

 

[Leythos]

One need only
browse the net for glowing reviews of the Norton 2009/2010 product
line.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA - and in for every glowing example on a review
website, corporate website, blog, there are equal or more reviews that
say it's trashed systems, decreased performance, caused problems....

I can remember when Zeos was given the #1 rating in PC Magazine for
almost a year of issues, bought one because of the reviews and learned
that the motherboard was broken, had wirewrap sockets in some instances,
tied IRQ lines to each other....

Symantec is a good product, better then most of the others, but, after
MY EXPERIENCE, I've switched to Avira.

 

[Leythos]

Hahahahahaha!

I see that you had NOTHING of value to add to the discussion - shows
that you don't really have any experience.

 

[David H. Lipman]

From: <[email protected]>


| I was not challenged to provide any proof. He was. One need only
| browse the net for glowing reviews of the Norton 2009/2010 product
| line. In addition why not check rthe ICSA test scores and validation
| status and don't forget Virus Bulletion's 100% in the wild rating. He
| cited personal data that he had accumulated hinmself after working on
| "thousands of PC's" so I asked to see it. He is unable to produce it.
| My sources are public domain and open for all to see. His were
| privately held (or so he leads us to believe) and so I requested
| access. LikeI said he is full of cow manure.

| However in the spirit of fairness and to set an example for Mr Lipman
| to grow by here is just one of many ratings sites that rate Symantec
| above ALL others.

| Symantec's 2009 of security products were rated "Product of the Year
| 2009' at this independent AV Comparison site

| http://www.av-comparatives.org/comparativesreviews/main-tests/summary-reports

| OK MR Lipman YOUR TURN......

In CLOSED and PRIVATE Malware Research forum that very test was brought up. One person's
(who will reamin anonymous) opinion on this..

"AV-Comparatives Crowns Best Security Vendors = a really bad George Carlin Joke about Weed
Thats the largest collective group of f**ktards I have ever encountered. "
{ Quote censored for public }

And I agree !

 

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Mumia W." <[email protected]>

From: <[email protected]>
[...]
| OK MR Lipman YOUR TURN......
In CLOSED and PRIVATE Malware Research forum that very test was brought up. One
person's
(who will reamin anonymous) opinion on this..
"AV-Comparatives Crowns Best Security Vendors = a really bad George Carlin Joke about
Weed
Thats the largest collective group of f**ktards I have ever encountered. "
{ Quote censored for public }
And I agree !

| Mr. Lipman, you are being trolled by fat.charlie.


Yes !

 

[FromTheRafters]

From: <[email protected]>
[...]

| OK MR Lipman YOUR TURN......

In CLOSED and PRIVATE Malware Research forum that very test was
brought up. One person's (who will reamin anonymous) opinion on
this..

"AV-Comparatives Crowns Best Security Vendors = a really bad George
Carlin Joke about Weed
Thats the largest collective group of f**ktards I have ever
encountered. "
{ Quote censored for public }

And I agree !

Mr. Lipman, you are being trolled by fat.charlie.

I liked him better as a shill.

 

[Dustin Cook]

(e-mail address removed) wrote in 4ax.com:

Thank you for validating your credibility!! LOL!!

Speaking of credibilty.. I have that as a current Malware Researcher for
malwarebytes (almost 2.5 years now); a certified tech, as well as a former
virus writer; well known, well published...

What are your creditials in this field, sir?

 

[Dustin Cook]

None. Absolutely none. I never claimed to be an AV expert myself nor
did I claim to have private forum / closed test data that refuted the
leading AV testing sources. Like David Lipman has ..but refuses to
post his 'data.' Evidently it's secret ...ya think sweet thang?

I can attest to Davids claims as being true. Secret is relative. Much of
the information isn't intended for public distribution but the fact the
groups exist isn't a secret. Atleast, not one I knew of. One of the
reasons for the strict non public access is simple in nature; We don't
want users accidently getting themselves into trouble simply because they
might be curious.

My posts cited public domain certified AV product test, detection
scores and respective rankings sites.

SUCH AS: AV Comparatives

AV Comparatives (Cripes, I can't believe your forcing this out of me,
but.. credit is due where credit is due) has been discredited beyond
repair by that of Nick Fitzgerald; Another AV expert...The individuals
responsible for the site proved to many of us here several years ago that
they lack the skillset required to conduct the testing in the first
place. If you really wish to read the gruesome thrashing; I will allow
you to go digging thru usenet. I don't have that much free time.

That's the beauty you see..no one needs to be a PC security expert
(like David Lipman claims to be - except it's "all secret!")

Funny you should mention the nobody needs to be this or that aspect. I
know many people who know a little about electricity, but still tend to
burn something up when they think they know more than they actually do.
*grin*. Sadly this is the same case with security. If you don't know it,
and you aren't an expert, you are likely going to miss something we
wouldn't.

For example, one of the sources you site is.. a very bad source;
pcmagazine weighs a little higher; and thats just above 0

All that ANYONE needs to be able to do is READ the test results,
verify the sources and draw the logical conclusions. There are many AV

Reading and comprehending it aren't the same thing. I wish that was the
case, life would certainly be easier and arguments probably would be much
less frequent.

products that are ICSA certified that give adequate security.
Sometimes it is just a matter of installing the trial versions and
making a selection among certified vendors that suits your personal
needs and tastes.

ICSA allows a vendor to resubmit (and provides copies of the missed
samples) until they do get it right. Do you understand sir? You can be a
really lousy product and still score an ICSA award.

So to summarize - NO...I AM NOT an AV expert. Never claimed to be!

Several of us are tho. You do like facts, right?

No one needs to be an 'Expert to make a smart decision. Select from
certified vendors listed on highly respected sites and you'll be
adequately secure.

One's computer/network security isn't a decision which should be taken
lightly, nor one that isn't based with all available facts available.

It just happens that for 2009 Norton products were selected TOP of
2009. I like and use Norton so I posted the relevant links. Your issue
needs to be taken up with AV-Comparatives, ICSA, Virus Bulletin and
the like who all score the 2009/2010 line from Norton to be certified
and exceptional. If I'm pissing in your Cheerios - tuff.

By no means are you pissing in my Cheerios. Norton gave us a sales boost
in 2009 when they recommended the companies product I work for. Some,
program they got huh?

 

[FromTheRafters]

Don't break your arm. So YOU are validating YOURSELF that YOU are an
AV
authority based on what YOU tell us?

He is who he says he is, you can take my word for it. )

 

[Toxic]

He is who he says he is, you can take my word for it. )

OK,
I took your word,
now what am I supposed to do with it?
Trash pickup isn't for a couple more days.

 

[Dustin Cook]

Wow!! Thanks a million for such a humanitarian gesture. The world is
a safer place because of your knowledge that just happens to have no
public access! How could it be? This is rich...

My knowledge? You make me laugh. Hysterically even. You have real..
odd issues man.. I just dunno about you.

I now 100% reverse myself on David's credibility since yet another
single, lone individual, who also cannot prove his credibility,
endorses him. Are you guys Masons or what? Have you got a secret
handshake too?

No free time to substantiate your claims? How convenient. Ok
class..what's wrong with THIS picture?

Umm, I just said *you* can find the posts via the archives; I am not
going to waste the time. I was here when he posted them. Alot of people
were, actually. So, sadly for you, it's not a claim.

Gee whiz. It is just a real dam shame that all this data that could
prevent people from 'going amiss' cannot be made public in an AV
newsgroup. 99% of internet users have no idea where to start to get a
newsfeed. Your SECRETS are safe here!
Huh?

Don't break your arm. So YOU are validating YOURSELF that YOU are an
AV authority based on what YOU tell us?
Well I know that sure convinces me! Anyone else feel convinced too?

Oh, no.. I wouldn't expect you to take me at face value. That would be
pretty assinine on my part, wouldn't it? I was actually expecting you to
check me out for yourself. You probably should...*shrug*. This isn't even

Yeah I'm gonna pay attention to a self-annointed AV expert that uses
that kind of logic.

See above...

Facts that can be PROVEN and VERIFIED. Your words of self exaltation
are 100% meaningless without some way to validate and substantiate
them. Do you understand sir?

See above. Re-read the entire post please. I only stated facts, not any
opinions to you, Sir.

As an AV expert (without credentials) I am sure you already know that
ICSA uses the VB in the wild test scores as part of ICSA
certification.

without? hehehe, sorry; no.. I'm afraid not. I have credentials, as a
former Vxer; and a current malware researcher for Malware Bytes. Aside
from developing my own program known as BugHunter, that is..

I have more... examples, if you need em. But seriously; this is all
public knowledge. really. I wouldn't try to troll you.

 

[Dustin Cook]

He is who he says he is, you can take my word for it. )

He doesn't know that. Didn't do his fact checking before posting, I
suppose.

 

[Dustin Cook]

OK,
I took your word,
now what am I supposed to do with it?
Trash pickup isn't for a couple more days.

I suppose if I worked for something like best buy, I'd be jealous too.

I tell ya what, if I need a cell phone or something, I'll ask you about the
contracts you have available.