Q867801 - Causes Win98 to lockup

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Leigh

Just updated Internet Explorer to the latest critical
update (Q867801) and within 1 hour I've had to restart my
computer about 8 or 9 times.

It locks-up the computer completely when surfing the web.
It seems to be fairly random as well. I haven't noticed
a 'pattern' as to when it causes the lockup.

Everything worked like a charm before updating this
morning. If anyone can help me out or suggest something,
it would be GREATLY appreciated as this is absolutely
ridiculous having to restart my computer every 5 minutes.

Thanks in advance!
 
Leigh -

W98se all updates, including Q867801 as of the first day of it's release. No
such problems. :-)

Go to Add/Remove programs>select Q867801> remove. Try re-installing, and be
sure to disable your AV protection when doing the re-install. WU doesn't
like NAV in particular.

I'd also do a thorough check for Spyware and so forth. Many posts in this
Newsgroup addressing the How-to/ What-with aspects of this suggestion.
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Thanks LuckyStrike... I tried uninstalling it and re-
installing it, but it froze again right away. When I re-
installed it, I only had Explorer and Systray running - no
anti-virus and such.

Any other ideas?

Thanks
 
YW Leigh. But it is obvious that this has not cured it. Time for a
Spyware/Malware check. This is a long post, please try to bear with it, and
by degree do that which I've included as info. Just maybe there is something
in the PC which is at the root of the problem.

Quick and basic scans from any of the following sites:
Doxdesk parasite scan
http://doxdesk.com/parasite/
Jim Eshelmans WSC on-line quick scan
http://www.aumha.org/a/noads.htm
Bugs Glitches and Stuff-ups
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/Darnit.htm

More In-Depth on-line scanners for parasites and Trojans:
GFI free on-line Trojan scanner
http://www.windowsecurity.com/trojanscan/
Sygate Technologies Trojanscan
http://scan.sygatetech.com/pretrojanscan.html
PestPatrol on-line scan
http://www.pestscan.com/home.asp
SpywareChecker on-line scan
http://www.spywareguide.com/txt_onlinescan.html

Parasites, spyware malware basics:
http://aumha.org/a/parasite.htm
http://aumha.org/a/quickfix.htm
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm

Check for Spyware - How-to

*Most important* - Before you try to remove spyware using any of the
following programs, realize that the process of cleaning and removing
certain spyware and malware may possibly interrupt and kill your internet
connection. Therefore, you should obtain a copy of LSPFIX, and Winsockfix
which will then make it possible for you to re-establish your internet
connection if it gets terminated.

Download LSPFIX from either of the following sites:

http://www.cexx.org/lspfix.htm
http://www.spychecker.com/program/winsockxpfix.html (For Win2k or XP)

Download Winsockfix here
http://members.shaw.ca/installations/WinsockFix.zip

First, install the respective programs and then update them immediately, so
that they have the current versions, and definitions. **Read the Help Files
and Tutorials**.

After you've Updated Spybot S&D, and SpywareBlaster, you *must* ENABLE the
protections as well. These two programs do not automatically enable
protections obtained from the newest definitions and updates, therefore this
process but must be done manually. Without having enabled protections, the
current definitions obtained from updates will be *useless*.

Run the programs one at a time. With Ad-Aware you may have it generally
clean whatever it finds. The same applies for CWShredder. Spybot S&D
requires special attention, as does HijackThis (Only more so. Details listed
below) The programs are listed in order of their general strength, safety,
and purpose. It is perhaps best to install and run these in this order of
appearance. All are freeware programs, but if you are pleased with the
results and quality of the utilities, donations to the respective Authors
will be cheerfully accepted.

Another thing to consider doing is to run a program (only run one program at
a time) a few times consecutively. The reason for this is that the first
pass may kill certain Spyware programs, but may not be able to terminate and
kill all files and programs which may be running at the time. That is why a
second pass may be necessary to be thoroughly effective.

Under the most stubborn cases, running the programs in Safe-Mode will allow
for the best cleaning conditions, as there will be a minimum of interference
from processes running in the background.

Ad -Aware
http://www.lavasoftusa.com/support/download/
Ad-Aware Tutorial (might help if you look through this)
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/index.php?showtutorial=48
Ad-Aware VX2 Cleaner Plug-In
http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/plugins/vx2cleaner.shtml

CWShredder (cleans all Cool Web Search malware)
http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/downloads.html
If the Authors site is unable to be accessed, then the following two sites
offer his programs as well.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4086.html
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/coolwebshredder.html
CWShredder Tutorial
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/index.php?showtutorial=47

Coolwebsearch Smartkiller
http://www.safer-networking.org/files/delcwssk.zip
http://www.spychecker.com/program/miniremovalcw.html

The above item is sometimes necessary if CWShredder detects a SmartSearch2
variant on your PC.

Spybot S&D
http://www.safer-networking.org/index.php?page=download
Spybot Tutorial (Must Read)
http://www.safer-networking.org/index.php?page=tutorial
Other tutorials for Spybot S&D (Also must read)
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/index.php?showtutorial=43
http://tomcoyote.com/SPYBOT/index1.php
http://tomcoyote.com/SPYBOT/index2.php

This item below is designed to *prevent* installation of malware and the
like by comparing known CLSID's of these "bad guys" with what is in its
definitions. By enabling a *Kill Bit* it prevents known malignant ActiveX
from being installed or run on your machine. It doesn't remove anything, nor
will it fix anything that is already in your PC. Rather, it will prevent
installation or re-installation of the item once it has been removed
manually, or by the use of another program which will perform the duty of
removing the spyware.

SpywareBlaster (prevents installation of Spyware, Trojans, etc.)
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareguard.html
SpywareBlaster Tutorial
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/index.php?showtutorial=49

SpywareGuard (companion program to SWB, above)
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareguard.html
SpywareGuard Tutorial
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/index.php?showtutorial=50

If you use Spybot S&D, be sure to clean *ONLY* the items displayed in *RED*.
DO NOT clean any items displayed in Black or Green at this time.

Lastly there is HijackThis. Hijack this is a very powerful, last resort type
of program which is generally best used in conjunction with help from those
who deal with the findings of the log created by the HijackThis scan. It
does nothing in the scan itself; it merely says what is present and/or
running on your PC. The items must be checked-marked to be "cleaned". You
must know *exactly* what you are checking-off before you proceed. If you
don't, you can quite possibly disable many useful and vital functions of
your PC. Remember; read the Tutorials, and seek help at SpywareInfo Forums,
Net-Integration, or TomCoyote forums for safety's sake.

HijackThis
http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/downloads.html
If the preceding site is down, you may get HijackThis from other sites
Hijack This (from Major Geeks)
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download3155.html
http://www.spychecker.com/program/hijackthis.html
http://computercops.biz/downloads-cat-14.html

HijackThis Tutorials **(MUST READ)**
http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/htlogtutorial.html
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/index.php?showtutorial=42
http://hjt.wizardsofwebsites.com/
http://s89223352.onlinehome.us/mirror/hjt/

Where to seek help with your HijackThis scan log
SpywareInfo Forums
http://forums.spywareinfo.com/
other help forums for HijackThis:
Net-Integration
http://forums.net-integration.net/index.php?c=19
TomCoyote
http://forums.tomcoyote.com/index.php?showforum=27

Anti-Virus Tools

AVG Anti-virus by Grisoft
http://free.grisoft.com/freeweb.php/doc/2/lng/us/tpl/v5

avast! Virus Cleaner - free virus & worm removal tool
http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_cleaner.html

McAfee AVERT Stinger
http://vil.nai.com/vil/stinger/

NOTE: With the above tools, particularly Avast Virus cleaner, be sure to
disable your background PC Anti-virus utility.

F-Prot for DOS (I don't know if this will work on XP systems however)
http://www.f-prot.com/products/home_use/dos/
http://www.f-prot.com/products/home_use/
http://www.claymania.com/f-prot.html

If you can use this program, be sure to make certain the most recent Updates
are obtained for it.
http://www.f-secure.com/download-purchase/dos_updates.shtml
F-Secure Anti-Virus for DOS (F-PROT edition)

Update Macro.def to your system to get up-to-date macro virus protection.
The other Anti-Virus databases, Sign.def and Sign2.def are updated weekly.
They have definitions for all other kinds of viruses except macro-viruses.
MACRO.DEF definition file
SIGN.DEF definition file
SIGN2.DEF definition file

On-Line Virus scanners:

RAV Antivirus Online Virus Scan
http://www.ravantivirus.com/scan/
Command on Demand
http://www.authentium.com/solutions/cod/index.cfm
Freedom on-line virus check
http://www.freedom.net/viruscenter/onlineviruscheck.html
TrendMicro Housecall (also detects some Trojans)
http://housecall.trendmicro.com/
BitDefender Scan Online
http://www.bitdefender.com/scan/licence.php

Kapersky Online Virus Scanner
http://www.kaspersky.com/remoteviruschk.html
The above scanner works differently from most; it is a server based scanner,
and will only scan individual files, or directories which are limited to 1
MB in total size. It will not do a full system scan.

Hauri LiveCall Online virus scanning
http://www.globalhauri.com/html/products/livecall.html
The above is also server based if I remember correctly

Panda on-line virus scan
http://www.pandasoftware.com/activescan/activescan.asp

McAfee FreeScan
http://us.mcafee.com/root/mfs/default.asp

Symantec Security Check (page offers security and/or virus scan)
http://snipurl.com/7gz1

More general info you should be aware of:
The Parasite Fight; Quick Fix Protocol
http://www.aumha.org/a/quickfix.htm
How to surf the Internet more safely with Internet Explorer
http://www.infinisource.com/techfiles/surf-safe.html
So how did I get infected in the first place?
http://boards.cexx.org/viewtopic.php?t=957
Rogue/Suspect Anti-Spyware Products & Web Sites
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm

Other vulnerability tests:
Jason's Toolbox Browser Security Tests
http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/BrowserSecurity/
Qualys' Free Browser Checkup
http://browsercheck.qualys.com/
MyNetWatchman - WinPopUP Tester
http://www.mynetwatchman.com/winpopuptester.asp

Firewall tests: (YMMV :-)
Sygate Technologies Stealthscan
http://scan.sygatetech.com/prestealthscan.html
PortScan from Hackerwatch.org
http://www.hackerwatch.org/probe/
ShieldsUp ports and security tests
http://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

Site which links to various tests
Security-Ops
http://www.security-ops.tk/

How to disable Windows Messenger Service or WinPopup
http://www.opentechsupport.net/forums/archive/topic/11211-1.html

HTH -
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Thanks LuckyStrike... I tried uninstalling it and re-
installing it, but it froze again right away. When I re-
installed it, I only had Explorer and Systray running - no
anti-virus and such.

Any other ideas?

Thanks
<snipped>
 
Thanks again LuckyStrike, but I've scanned the PC for
viruses, trojans, spyware, etc and it seems as though this
PC is clean. Got any other ideas?

Cheers
 
Sorry.... but, not any good ones. :-| The only thing I can think of is to
keep it un-installed for the moment and see if the problem disappears and
the system remains stable. Then perhaps in some short period of time, there
may be more feedback on any related issues resulting from this update. After
some period of time, you can see if the update can be installed without
negative impact?
 
Thanks again LuckyStrike. I'll give that a whirl and
hopefully that does the trick. Just a little concerned
about security issues - but not a big deal.

Cheers,

Leigh
 
YW. I'm sorry that I cannot think of a *real* fix for this problem. Many are
claiming various problems after this update as well. I'm not sure how many
can be actually attributed to it, and not other things one normally might
not consider. At any rate, you are not alone in "having an issue" with it.
We'll see what the immediate future reveals.

As for security; WU's are most important to keep holes patched. Also having
the standard array of quality, respected Antivirus, Anti-Spyware, and
anti-malware apps is also important.

Protecting Your Privacy & Security
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ehowes/www/main-nf.htm
One of the best sites on the issue.

Parasites, Viruses and other Security Issues
http://aumha.org/secure.htm

Rogue/Suspect Anti-Spyware Products & Web Sites
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm

How to surf the Internet more safely with Internet Explorer
http://www.infinisource.com/techfiles/surf-safe.html
Before You Connect a New Computer to the Internet
http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/before_you_plug_in.html

HTH -
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