Put reply above quote, signature below quote - Outlook 2003

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Dear Outlook 2003 experts,

Outlook 2003 does not handle placements of signatures and quotes well,
in my opinion. No problem for new email messages. However, for
replies and forwards the placement is not what I want and there seems
to be no easy solution.

What I want on reply/forward is:

1) Start my reply above the quote, and
2) Place my signature below the quote (eg: bottom of message)

Other email programs like Thunderbird do this easily.

I would appreciate any tips or pointers on how to accomplish this.

Thank you all in advance...
 
Sorry, typo in my original reply...should be "freeware".

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Jocelyn Fiorello
MVP - Outlook

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Dear Outlook 2003 experts,

Outlook 2003 does not handle placements of signatures and quotes well,
in my opinion. No problem for new email messages. However, for
replies and forwards the placement is not what I want and there seems
to be no easy solution.

What I want on reply/forward is:

1) Start my reply above the quote, and
2) Place my signature below the quote (eg: bottom of message)

Other email programs like Thunderbird do this easily.

I would appreciate any tips or pointers on how to accomplish this.

Thank you all in advance...
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Or you could just bottom-quote, as this is the suggested Usenet method.
 
Notan said:
Or you could just bottom-quote, as this is the suggested Usenet
method.
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I've heard of top-post (where you post above the quote from the message to
which you're replying) and bottom-post (where you post below a quote from
the message to which you're replying, such as what you and I have done), but
never "bottom-quote". USENET's suggested method (if one can say there is
any) is bottom-post, however, it can vary from group to group and from
client to client, since different clients have different default behaviors.
Personally, even if I weren't using a tool that helps bottom posting, I'd
still edit the message to post that way.
 
Brian said:
I've heard of top-post (where you post above the quote from the message
to which you're replying) and bottom-post (where you post below a
quote from the message to which you're replying, such as what you and I
have done), but never "bottom-quote". USENET's suggested method (if one
can say there is any) is bottom-post, however, it can vary from group to
group and from client to client, since different clients have different
default behaviors. Personally, even if I weren't using a tool that helps
bottom posting, I'd still edit the message to post that way.
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I stand corrected... I meant to say "bottom-post."

Apparently, the brain and fingers were out of sync!
 
You're right about bottom posting being the long-standing Usenet convention;
however, top posting has gained popularity in many areas due to the fact that
many people don't know how to edit earlier parts of the thread so that the
thread doesn't get to be five miles long (or they don't have the time).
Also, top posting is much easier to deal with when reading messages on a
mobile device with a small screen and funky formatting -- just look at the
top and the quote below it and you're done.

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Jocelyn Fiorello
MVP - Outlook

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Jocelyn said:
You're right about bottom posting being the long-standing Usenet convention;
however, top posting has gained popularity in many areas due to the fact that
many people don't know how to edit earlier parts of the thread so that the
thread doesn't get to be five miles long (or they don't have the time).
Also, top posting is much easier to deal with when reading messages on a
mobile device with a small screen and funky formatting -- just look at the
top and the quote below it and you're done.
Click to expand...

<snip>

With all due respect, the problem is when posters, such as yourself,
mix top and bottom posting, making the whole thing rather difficult
to follow.
 
Thank you for the replies,

Regardless of the debate on bottom-posting versus top-posting, I
personally want to control the behaviour of Outlook 2003 so that on a
reply or forward;

a) my signature is placed at the bottom of the entire message, and
b) the cursor is placed at the top of the message before any other
text.

It is unfortunate that Microsoft appears unable or unwilling to
provide this flexibility, a flexibility commonly found in many email
clients, and that we have to rely on the good graces of others to
write programs to accomplish what other email clients have natively.

With respect to using Outlook-QuoteFix to resolve this deficiency in
Outlook, I am concerned that one has to call it rather than Outlook,
which is not an advantage when trying to standardize and office
environment as simply as possible. Also Outlook-QuoteFix appears to
do more than address points a & b above.

I still believe Microsoft should provide the ability to do a and b
above as PART of Outlook. I wish Microsoft would take notice... but
I'm not holding my breath.
 
If you want to post a suggestion to Microsoft, enter the Office community
newsgroups through
http://www.microsoft.com/office/community/en-us/default.mspx, click the arrow
next to the New button and choose Suggestion for Microsoft. A disclaimer
will appear at the end of your post to say that it is a suggestion. Other
users can vote on your suggestion and that will have a great effect on which
suggestions are the most likely to be implemented in the future.

--
Jocelyn Fiorello
MVP - Outlook

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Well, I can always snip out unneeded info on a top post as well, so that it
isn't hard to follow, like so...

Also, if you really want to get nitpicky ("you" being anybody), I am posting
to a web community, which just so happens to also be a portal to a Usenet
newsgroup...so I could say the conventions are different here and I don't
have to conform to any Usenet conventions. Personally, I would rather see
*only* top posting or *only* bottom posting but I think eventually top
posting is going to become the norm. Till then, there's always going to be a
mixed environment. Why Microsoft chose top posting as a default, I have no
clue.

--
Jocelyn Fiorello
MVP - Outlook

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only to the newsgroup to preserve the message thread. ***
 
I certainly hope you are right in predicting that top-posting will
win! I LOVE top-posting; I've been a devot?e for a decade now. It
makes it so easy to read new posts without scrolling.


Lady Dungeness
Crabby, but Great Legs!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:02:04 -0700, Jocelyn Fiorello [MVP - Outlook]

|Well, I can always snip out unneeded info on a top post as well, so that it
|isn't hard to follow, like so...
|
|Also, if you really want to get nitpicky ("you" being anybody), I am posting
|to a web community, which just so happens to also be a portal to a Usenet
|newsgroup...so I could say the conventions are different here and I don't
|have to conform to any Usenet conventions. Personally, I would rather see
|*only* top posting or *only* bottom posting but I think eventually top
|posting is going to become the norm. Till then, there's always going to be a
|mixed environment. Why Microsoft chose top posting as a default, I have no
|clue.
 
Absolutely agree

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2003
Subject: Re: Put reply above quote, signature below quote - Outlook 2003

I certainly hope you are right in predicting that top-posting will
win! I LOVE top-posting; I've been a devot?e for a decade now. It
makes it so easy to read new posts without scrolling.


Lady Dungeness
Crabby, but Great Legs!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:02:04 -0700, Jocelyn Fiorello [MVP - Outlook]

|Well, I can always snip out unneeded info on a top post as well, so
that it
|isn't hard to follow, like so...
|
|Also, if you really want to get nitpicky ("you" being anybody), I am
posting
|to a web community, which just so happens to also be a portal to a
Usenet
|newsgroup...so I could say the conventions are different here and I
don't
|have to conform to any Usenet conventions. Personally, I would rather
see
|*only* top posting or *only* bottom posting but I think eventually top
|posting is going to become the norm. Till then, there's always going
to be a
|mixed environment. Why Microsoft chose top posting as a default, I
have no
|clue.
 
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