Publishing with FP if no extensions?

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Terry Pinnell

Although I didn't use FP 2000 at the time that I set up my old home
page, some years ago, I now use it occasionally to edit the site's few
pages. It's so much easier, now that I'm familiar with FP, especially
for formating and tables. Following recent advice from Tom, I'm doing
the editing within a 'proper' web environment:

D:\Docs\Website Design\Home
+private
+Images
+Misc
+Walks
astrbul1e.gif
Copy of ECADList.html
ECADList.html
Index.html
Indexpersonal.html
strbkgde.gif
strbul2e.gif
strbul3e.gif
strrulee.gif

But my ISP (Pipex) don't have FP extensions (at least, not for my free
web space). So when it comes to publishing the edited page, do I still
have to use my FTP program? Or could I instead somehow use the more
convenient File>Publish Web command please?
 
Ronx said:
A quick look at www.xtreme.pipex.net/support/dslspace/upload/ indicates that
you *should* be able to use the FP publish function. (Use the instructions
for Microsoft Web Publishing Wizard and change as appropriate)
I believe the dslspace uses the same server as dialspace.
Click to expand...

Thanks Ron. I'm sure you're right on your last point, but I don't
understand the relevance of the Microsoft Web Publishing Wizard to the
FP extensions query? Stepping through those instructions, I could see
no mention of FP?
 
Although I didn't use FP 2000 at the time that I set up my old home
page, some years ago, I now use it occasionally to edit the site's few
pages. It's so much easier, now that I'm familiar with FP, especially
for formating and tables. Following recent advice from Tom, I'm doing
the editing within a 'proper' web environment:
.....

But my ISP (Pipex) don't have FP extensions (at least, not for my free
web space). So when it comes to publishing the edited page, do I still
have to use my FTP program? Or could I instead somehow use the more
convenient File>Publish Web command please?
Click to expand...

Use File -> Publish Web, and specify the destination as
ftp://youraddress (where youraddress is whatever you would use when
publishing with a third-party FTP program).
 
Jack Jackson said:
Use File -> Publish Web, and specify the destination as
ftp://youraddress (where youraddress is whatever you would use when
publishing with a third-party FTP program).
Click to expand...

Tom, Jack: Thanks both. Will try Jack's 'hybrid' solution when I pluck
up courage later today!

BTW, I'm curious as to what would be the result if I'd gone ahead and
used File Publish with HTTP? Would it merely fail? Or damage
something?
 
Terry Pinnell said:
Tom, Jack: Thanks both. Will try Jack's 'hybrid' solution when I pluck
up courage later today!
Click to expand...

Well, impatient as I am, I decided to go ahead and try it. Seems to be
working, thanks again Jack.

HOWEVER - I expected it to upload just a few minor recent changes,
not the entire site! Not sure how long it wil take, but at 56k and a
*lot* of files uploaded over maybe 6-8 years, I reckon it will be
several hours.
 
Ronx said:
FP uses the Web Publishing Wizard, or something very similar, to publish to
non-extended sites.
If you check the dialspace pages, (URL will wrap)

http://ds.dial.pipex.com/cgi-bin/AD...OTER=faqpage.foot&USERNAME=generic&ID=generic

there are instructions for uploading using FP98 (though Pipex have got the
destination address wrong, using http:// instead of ftp://).
Click to expand...

Thanks, but I'd like to stick to either of the two applications I
already use - ideally just FP 2000!

See also my replies to Tom & Jack.
 
Jack Jackson said:
Use File -> Publish Web, and specify the destination as
ftp://youraddress (where youraddress is whatever you would use when
publishing with a third-party FTP program).
Click to expand...

Jack,

I'd appreciate a bit of hand-holding on this please! As you saw from
my earlier post, I went ahead. It took a couple of hours, and near the
end (judging from the progress bar) I got an error message that was
meaningless to me (but worrying).
"425 Can't create data socket (158.43.192.19,20): Address already in
use."

However, on clicking OK, I then got the 'Successful' message. To be
sure, I repeated Publish Web, ensuring that only changes were
published. About 20 files had to be published (a small fraction of
total), so I assume that glitch was not catastrophic.

Anyway, I then tried making a small change in index.htm and
indexpersonal.htm, and republishing. But the changes were not
reflected. I used <Ctr+F5> to be sure page was revisited, not cache.I
repeated a few times with same negative result.

I then tried my usual CuteFTP, and the changes were then visible.

The address I used in FP 2000 happened to be the one that popped up by
default (I did tentatively try something like this way back), namely:
ftp://dsftp.dial.pipex.com/terrypin

When FP starts publishing, it *seems* OK (although the actual server
it connects to and lists pages in is slightly different:
'ftp://dsftp.dial.pipex.com:21/terrypin...'
if that matters?)

When I get the 'Successful' message, if I click 'Click here to view' I
get a long error message after a wait, along line of I don't have
access or something. But I rather expected that, as I've read
somewhere before that, if you use the FTP mode, you should ignore that
'Click to view..' link. But anyway, as described, the changes are
plainly not made when I go manually online to my page.

Do you have any suggestions please? It's no big deal to stick with
CuteFTP, but my curiosity is piqued now. Also, I'm a bit worried that
maybe that 2 hour upload has all gone to another folder on the server
somewhow, eating up my free space...?
 
Also, I'm a bit worried that
maybe that 2 hour upload has all gone to another folder on the server
somewhow, eating up my free space...?
Click to expand...

<some minutes later>
I reckon that must indeed be the cause! Just found a new folder
\terrypin on my site, which I'm now deleting. Will report back.
 
Terry Pinnell said:
<some minutes later>
I reckon that must indeed be the cause! Just found a new folder
\terrypin on my site, which I'm now deleting. Will report back.
Click to expand...

Yep, that was it! After another 2 hour upload using FP Publish, with
correct FTP address, I can now access my pages.
 
Well, impatient as I am, I decided to go ahead and try it. Seems to be
working, thanks again Jack.

HOWEVER - I expected it to upload just a few minor recent changes,
not the entire site! Not sure how long it wil take, but at 56k and a
*lot* of files uploaded over maybe 6-8 years, I reckon it will be
several hours.
Click to expand...

I have two sites without FP extensions that I have maintained with FP
for several years. In both FP uploads only changed files. Recently
there was a comment in one of the newsgroups that FP before version 2003
when publishing via FTP always uploads all files. I have never seen
that, but clearly someone else has.
 
Jack Jackson said:
I have two sites without FP extensions that I have maintained with FP
for several years. In both FP uploads only changed files. Recently
there was a comment in one of the newsgroups that FP before version 2003
when publishing via FTP always uploads all files. I have never seen
that, but clearly someone else has.
Click to expand...

As you probably saw from my subsequent posts, initially it was down to
my error. I used wrong FTP address. So FP 2000 correctly posted *all*
my files into a new folder called \terrypin!

But after I had deleted that folder and contents (from CuteFTP, in
which I was more confident), when I republished from FP 2000 with
correct address, it again published *all* files. I'm assuming that
this time it was because, although the bulk of files did already exist
(having been placed on the server over the years by CuteFTP), as far
as *FP* was concerned, this was the first time it had published this
web. Or something like that?

After *that* major upload was finished, subsequent test changes were
performed as expected, just changing the files concerned.
 
Correct, in that as far as FP was concerned, this was the first time the
files had been published.

Note: This will also happen if you ever have to do a fresh install of FP on
your machine.

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