Promise ATA100 Driver & Win 2000 Setup

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Upgrades continuing, re-learned the old "clean is best" adage. Finally
wiped the drive of the first one and let Setup have its way with it. All
upgrades, so far so good as long as I leave behind the memory of attempting
to actually keep all my settings and software installs (and their settings
of course). Now to find all those damned CD-ROMs...

The other PC though... I've gotten several downloads of the "Ultra 100"
drivers, and put them on diskette only to be told that Setup can't find
anything about the hardware in question, which is an ATA100 HD attached to
the ATA port on a Asus A7V133 which has BTW all current Asus and VIA updates
on it already.

So before I start this again, at least thankful that cancelling setup at
this point doesn't render my wife's machine useless - and she comes back
tomorrow, folks - what have anyone here gone through with the Promise ATA100
and Setup? Thanks in advance.

Steve Goodman
*
* http://www.earthlight.net/Studios
 
Hi Dave,

I did as instructed, and it went all the way through - apparently - saying
that Setup was Completed, take out the CD and restart. What do I get?
Windows 98 still there! Is there no way to do this without wiping the
drive?

Dave Patrick said:
You'll want to boot the Windows 2000 setup disks or CD-Rom and *F6* very
early and very important (at setup is inspecting your system) in the setup
to prevent drive controller detection, and select S to specify additional
drivers. Then later you'll be prompted to insert the manufacturer supplied
Windows 2000 driver for your ATA controller in drive "A"

If you wait and then S to specify additional drivers, then it may be too
late as Windows 2000 Setup at this point may have already assigned the
resources your drive's controller is wanting to use.

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Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft MVP [Windows NT/2000 Operating Systems]

Steve Goodman said:
Upgrades continuing, re-learned the old "clean is best" adage. Finally
wiped the drive of the first one and let Setup have its way with it. All
upgrades, so far so good as long as I leave behind the memory of attempting
to actually keep all my settings and software installs (and their settings
of course). Now to find all those damned CD-ROMs...

The other PC though... I've gotten several downloads of the "Ultra 100"
drivers, and put them on diskette only to be told that Setup can't find
anything about the hardware in question, which is an ATA100 HD attached to
the ATA port on a Asus A7V133 which has BTW all current Asus and VIA updates
on it already.

So before I start this again, at least thankful that cancelling setup at
this point doesn't render my wife's machine useless - and she comes back
tomorrow, folks - what have anyone here gone through with the Promise ATA100
and Setup? Thanks in advance.

Steve Goodman
*
* http://www.earthlight.net/Studios
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I'm confused then. What exactly is it you're starting with and wanting to
end up with?
 
Starting with Windows 98, nothing running (virus sw etc removed).
Wanting to end up with a Windows 2000, having upgraded.

Yeah, doesn't make sense to me! Setup started up on the CD-ROM when booted.
I hit F6 and was prompted for the 'S', installed the Win 2000 Promise ATA100
driver (or so it seemed), and Windows Setup did all its business (and a
reboot) without the slightest hiccup, then said it was completed, whereupon
the final reboot brings up not Windows 2000, but Windows 98. No, there was
no menu/prompt as to whether to dual boot. Just went right to "Starting
Windows 98..."

Is there a parameter I can give Setup on the command line to ensure that
this will work? I can't find any error log, though there is now a WINNT
directory/folder on the drive..

Thx,
--
Steve Goodman
* EarthLight Productions
* http://www.earthlight.net

Dave Patrick said:
I'm confused then. What exactly is it you're starting with and wanting to
end up with?

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft MVP [Windows NT/2000 Operating Systems]

Steve Goodman said:
Hi Dave,

I did as instructed, and it went all the way through - apparently - saying
that Setup was Completed, take out the CD and restart. What do I get?
Windows 98 still there! Is there no way to do this without wiping the
drive?
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Ah, perhaps I should have avoided the term "upgrade". The Win 2000 Pro CD
in use here is a full install, and not merely an upgrade.

Dave Patrick said:
If you're wanting to upgrade I think you must start the upgrade from within
Win9x.

IMO it's simply not worth the trouble, given that you'll more than likely
end up with an unstable OS with all the remnants/ corruption left behind
from the upgrade. Best to blow it all away and go for the clean install.

During Windows 2000 setup, at some point, will want to confirm the previous
operating system for the upgrade; at that point you'll simply insert the
qualified product install CD for it to verify. Then the install will
proceed.
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OK.....I'm confused again. Are you wanting to upgrade win98 to Windows 2000
or clean install? If the latter, do you want to keep win98? (in other words
dual boot)
 
Yes, only if necessary, and no. :)

It's a Win98 machine. There are quite a number of individual settings to be
contended with if I do the clean install. The install on my own machine
(Win98se) kept rebooting after the "Final Tasks" being done. In the end I
saved my data (but of course not a lot of my settings) and wiped the drive.
Of course it was easier, but since it's fairly implied that conversion from
a lesser OS including settings is possible, well, one can always hope.

Dave Patrick said:
OK.....I'm confused again. Are you wanting to upgrade win98 to Windows 2000
or clean install? If the latter, do you want to keep win98? (in other words
dual boot)

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Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft MVP [Windows NT/2000 Operating Systems]

Steve Goodman said:
Ah, perhaps I should have avoided the term "upgrade". The Win 2000 Pro CD
in use here is a full install, and not merely an upgrade.
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You also can only upgrade a previous Windows OS with an UPGRADE CD. The full-version CD won't work.
 
Perhaps you need to define what you mean by "upgrade", as this was confused
once already. Also could you be a bit more clear than that it "won't work"
please? Thanks!
 
Just upgrade Win98 to Win2K without worrying about the Promise driver and install it later. I had the same problem with Promise's driver installer not recognizing my Promise ATA-100 card so I just upgraded the driver from within Win2K's hardware manager manually.
 
It wasn't the boot drive, though, was it?

Eep² said:
Just upgrade Win98 to Win2K without worrying about the Promise driver and
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install it later. I had the same problem with Promise's driver installer not
recognizing my Promise ATA-100 card so I just upgraded the driver from
within Win2K's hardware manager manually.
 
From within Win98 started Setup. Proceeded until the prompt to Provide PnP
Files, and despite having the diskette-in-question with the very Promise
drivers needed, as well as the 3Com diskette containing its own drivers
(3c590 PCI combo card), both times the routine failed to see anything on
either diskette. Similarly when the files-in-question were placed on the
hard drive, a duplicate non-result occurred, couldn't find the files.

So I can ignore not finding the Promise drivers then, with the ATA100 as the
boot drive? Is there some degree of possibility that, upon rebooting, the
drive won't be found by the new OS? Thx.


Eep² said:
Just upgrade Win98 to Win2K without worrying about the Promise driver and
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install it later. I had the same problem with Promise's driver installer not
recognizing my Promise ATA-100 card so I just upgraded the driver from
within Win2K's hardware manager manually.
 
Yes, it was. Does it matter?

I also used to get a "STOP" error with the Promise ATA-100 card after I upgraded the motherboard. On my old system I had 3 hard drives on a Promise ATA-100 controller and a CD-ROM drive on the motherboard's controller (ATA-66) so when I upgraded the motherboard, I configured the drives differently by putting them all on the motherboard's ATA-100 controller but Win2K doesn't like that so I just added the Promise controller back and configured the drives like they were on the old system and Win2K booted fine.

When I gave my old system to my parents, Win2K gave a "STOP" error too because the hard drive controller was different (Via vs. Intel) so I just changed the registry hard drive controller scan order (or something) and Win2K worked fine.

But, alas, I'm digressing...
 
How did you get past the *STOP* error?

PS - if one changes the controller I'd heavily advise reformatting with the
new controller.

Eep² said:
Yes, it was. Does it matter?

I also used to get a "STOP" error with the Promise ATA-100 card after I
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upgraded the motherboard. On my old system I had 3 hard drives on a Promise
ATA-100 controller and a CD-ROM drive on the motherboard's controller
(ATA-66) so when I upgraded the motherboard, I configured the drives
differently by putting them all on the motherboard's ATA-100 controller but
Win2K doesn't like that so I just added the Promise controller back and
configured the drives like they were on the old system and Win2K booted
fine.
When I gave my old system to my parents, Win2K gave a "STOP" error too
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because the hard drive controller was different (Via vs. Intel) so I just
changed the registry hard drive controller scan order (or something) and
Win2K worked fine.
 
So does the *STOP* error prevent one from completing the installation, at
least to a stage where one can load the drivers via Add Hardware?

Eep² said:
Yes, it was. Does it matter?

I also used to get a "STOP" error with the Promise ATA-100 card after I
Click to expand...
upgraded the motherboard. On my old system I had 3 hard drives on a Promise
ATA-100 controller and a CD-ROM drive on the motherboard's controller
(ATA-66) so when I upgraded the motherboard, I configured the drives
differently by putting them all on the motherboard's ATA-100 controller but
Win2K doesn't like that so I just added the Promise controller back and
configured the drives like they were on the old system and Win2K booted
fine.
When I gave my old system to my parents, Win2K gave a "STOP" error too
Click to expand...
because the hard drive controller was different (Via vs. Intel) so I just
changed the registry hard drive controller scan order (or something) and
Win2K worked fine.
 
Steve said:
From within Win98 started Setup. Proceeded until the prompt to Provide PnP
Files, and despite having the diskette-in-question with the very Promise
drivers needed, as well as the 3Com diskette containing its own drivers
(3c590 PCI combo card), both times the routine failed to see anything on
either diskette. Similarly when the files-in-question were placed on the
hard drive, a duplicate non-result occurred, couldn't find the files.
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Hello? YOU CAN'T UPGRADE WIN98 WITH A WIN2000 NON-UPGRADE (FULL VERSION) CD.
So I can ignore not finding the Promise drivers then, with the ATA100 as the
boot drive? Is there some degree of possibility that, upon rebooting, the
drive won't be found by the new OS? Thx.
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Sure, there's ALWAYS the possibility of anything. But I wouldn't worry about it. If Win2K setup recognizes your drives without some silly 3rd-party hard drive controller driver, go with it and worry about updating it later (after setup).
 
Steve said:
How did you get past the *STOP* error?
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Like I wrote before: "I just changed the registry hard drive controller scan order (or something)"...via the MS Knowledge Base article about the "innacessible_boot_device" error. If you need the exact registry key (if you can't figure it out), I'll re-research it.
PS - if one changes the controller I'd heavily advise reformatting with the
new controller.
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Why so drastic? The farthest I'd go is re-install Windows ("in-place upgrade"). Reformatting is silly.
 
Yes. PLONK.

Eep² said:
I didn't get the "STOP" error when installing; just when Win2K booted up
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the first time after I changed motherboards (with different hard drive
controller chips: Via vs. Intel vs. whatever).
Is there a reason you can't reply to a single message instead of multiple
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replies to the same message? Sheesh...
 
So, now that the troll's been put in my killfile... How does one contend
with the ATA100 installation that won't happen, and the eventual *STOP*
error that occurs? I somehow doubt that it's something one can ignore, yes?

Thx.

Dave Patrick said:
To upgrade win98 to Windows 2000 you must start the upgrade from within
win98.

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft MVP [Windows NT/2000 Operating Systems]

Steve Goodman said:
Yes, only if necessary, and no. :)

It's a Win98 machine. There are quite a number of individual settings
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to
be
contended with if I do the clean install. The install on my own machine
(Win98se) kept rebooting after the "Final Tasks" being done. In the end I
saved my data (but of course not a lot of my settings) and wiped the drive.
Of course it was easier, but since it's fairly implied that conversion from
a lesser OS including settings is possible, well, one can always hope.
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