problems with NOD32 and NIS on same computer

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Hangs during boot.
Have to hit Ctrl.+Alt.+Delete and kill "Atrack" which is Norton Internet
Security then after a few seconds will finish boot.

Is there a work around for this problem?

Here's a solution to another problem you can tell me what you think
about it I'll mention since I'm already here and there's plenty of room
on this page.

My firewall kept taking hits from remote computers trying to access
this computer on every single port and a dialog box would pop up
every time I clicked the block button they just wouldn't stop so finally
I decided to setup a firewall rule where any remote computer trying to
access this computer on any port 1-65000 is automatically blocked
and no more dialog boxes pop up. GRC.com shows all ports except
0 and 1 are stealth and computers using reverse DNS can't get this
computer name.

Is that good or what?
 
John said:
Hangs during boot.
Have to hit Ctrl.+Alt.+Delete and kill "Atrack" which is Norton Internet
Security then after a few seconds will finish boot.

Is there a work around for this problem?
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I would thing you can set NOD32 to ignore Norton's exe or Norton's App
Control to ignore NOD32's exe. It's unclear as to what is interfering with
what.
Here's a solution to another problem you can tell me what you think
about it I'll mention since I'm already here and there's plenty of room
on this page.

My firewall kept taking hits from remote computers trying to access
this computer on every single port and a dialog box would pop up
every time I clicked the block button they just wouldn't stop so finally
I decided to setup a firewall rule where any remote computer trying to
access this computer on any port 1-65000 is automatically blocked
and no more dialog boxes pop up. GRC.com shows all ports except
0 and 1 are stealth and computers using reverse DNS can't get this
computer name.
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All you did was make the pop-up messages stop showing. The O/S and
PFW/packet filter are still using the machine's resources to stop the
attacks slowing the machine down in doing other things. You could put a $20
NAT router in front of the machine to stop the attacks and they would never
reach the machine where the O/S and PFW/packet filter would have to deal
with it.

Duane :)
 
| Hangs during boot.
| Have to hit Ctrl.+Alt.+Delete and kill "Atrack" which is Norton
Internet
| Security then after a few seconds will finish boot.
|
| Is there a work around for this problem?

NOD32 automatic update may be trying to connect to the internet. Just a
guess.

Chas.
 
Someday I'm gonna move to town and get me a high speed Internet
connection like I've heard so much about where I can use one of
them Nat Router things.
Thanks Duane
John (Boy) Adams
 
John said:
Someday I'm gonna move to town and get me a high speed Internet
connection like I've heard so much about where I can use one of
them Nat Router things.
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They do have NAT routers that have a dial-up and broadband set-up so when
you move to the BIG city you already know what to do and you're good to go.

Duane :)
 
Hangs during boot.
Have to hit Ctrl.+Alt.+Delete and kill "Atrack" which is Norton Internet
Security then after a few seconds will finish boot.

Is there a work around for this problem?
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I use NOD 32 & NIS but the NIS version I use is Norton 2003. I tried
2005 and I had huge problems with lots of stuff so I binned it. NIS
2003 is just fine but I would get something much better if I was not
behind a NAT router, Norton is only there to keep an eye on whats
connecting out and control my Network. My workaround was chuck 2005 in
a bin, you are more vunerable without a router OTOH NOD 32 is very
good so you may get away with NIS 2003..

Obviously you only installed the Norton Firewall not the AV as well on
top of NOD?
Here's a solution to another problem you can tell me what you think
about it I'll mention since I'm already here and there's plenty of room
on this page.

My firewall kept taking hits from remote computers trying to access
this computer on every single port and a dialog box would pop up
every time I clicked the block button they just wouldn't stop so finally
I decided to setup a firewall rule where any remote computer trying to
access this computer on any port 1-65000 is automatically blocked
and no more dialog boxes pop up. GRC.com shows all ports except
0 and 1 are stealth and computers using reverse DNS can't get this
computer name.

Is that good or what?
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Well it worked,........................ kind of 8-)

Cant you just stealth all unused ports via NIS 2005 using the firewall
settings slider?

Jonah
 
I'll have to do another search and see what can be found.
Thanks Duane
John (Boy) Adams
 
Obviously you only installed the Norton Firewall not the AV as well on
top of NOD?
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This computer is running NIS 2001 and Nod32 but I'm in the process
of downloading NIS 2003.
Well it worked,........................ kind of 8-)
Cant you just stealth all unused ports via NIS 2005 using the firewall
settings slider?
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I'll have to check the computer in the living room and see what it can do
it's running NIS 2005 & NAV 2005 but I also blocked all the ports like
I did on this computer. I don't remember a slider.
Thanks jonah
John (Boy) Adams
 
[...]

This computer is running NIS 2001 and Nod32 but I'm in the process
of downloading NIS 2003
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Why would anyone who obviously appreciates the value of NOD32, consider
anything that remotely concerned the use of NAV/NIS, past or present, on
their machine?
 
I always need a good firewall which may or may not have anything
to do with NIS.................... NOD32 doesn't have one.
Thanks ComPCs
John (Boy) Adams
 
I always need a good firewall which may or may not have anything
to do with NIS.................... NOD32 doesn't have one.
Thanks ComPCs
John (Boy) Adams
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Because its a second string firewall behind a proper pro firewall /
router and its there simply to keep an eye on the internal network,
NIS 2003 is IMO the last of the good Norton products and most
importantly it has a really good, simple networking GUI. Its good
enough for my purposes and unlike NIS 2005 it causes no problems with
anything including NOD32.

I also use MS Antispyware, Trojan Hunter, Ad Aware & Spybot depending
on the level of access a particular machine has to the internet, plus
Mailwasher Pro to monitor and get rid of the main source of malware
before downloading e mail, what comes down after washing is checked by
NOD 32 so Norton has very little to do but provide easy network
security and panic buttons.

Also I need the reliability & familiarity of Norton 2003 for my works
network users who thought Firefox was pretty radical and were reduced
to quivering wrecks when I banned Outlook Express and forced Courier
Mail on them.

I said you "may" get away without a firewall because you have NOD 32.
I was not being deadly serious, it was a very obscure dig at your not
having access to broadband. Firewalls have been repeatedly pushed over
the last few years by many software marketing dipsticks onto new
broadband users because broadband is a "fast always on connection" the
unintentional implication being that if you a use dial up modem you
don't need a firewall.

Jonah
 
I always need a good firewall which may or may not have anything
to do with NIS.................... NOD32 doesn't have one.
Thanks ComPCs
John (Boy) Adams
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So, why are you bothering with NIS2003?

Zone Alarm, Sygate to name but two are perfectly adequate firewalls, and
if you are also behind a NAT router...
 
Because its a second string firewall behind a proper pro firewall /
router and its there simply to keep an eye on the internal network,
NIS 2003 is IMO the last of the good Norton products and most
importantly it has a really good, simple networking GUI. Its good
enough for my purposes and unlike NIS 2005 it causes no problems with
anything including NOD32.
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I understand the "second string firewall" matter, but I beg to differ on
some of your NIS2003 viewpoint. I wouldn't entertain any Norton product
other than Ghost on any of my systems.

I do agree 2003 was less troublesome than 2005 seems to be, ut ti was/is
still something that embeds itself so deeply into the OS, it has an
adverse effect on performance, IME/IMO

However, if a firewall is all you need, there are far better ways - and
*current* programs - of going about it than installing the unsupported 3
year old app that is NIS2003 ... Sygate, Kerio, Zone Alarm ... all
perfectly adequate for a "second string firewall".

What I don't appreciate, is that for someone who is 'clued' enough to
use a product as good as NOD32, why they would entertain anything Norton
related.

[...]
I said you "may" get away without a firewall because you have NOD 32.
I was not being deadly serious, it was a very obscure dig at your not
having access to broadband.
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I have access to broadband ... twice, as I have 2 lines at these
premises? I'm unclear where the referral to me not having BB comes in?

[...]
the unintentional implication being that if you a use dial up
modem you don't need a firewall
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As some of the users I now support have found to their previous cost,
you are just as vulnerable on dial-up as you are on broadband.
 
So, why are you bothering with NIS2003?
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I thought I made that clear in my previous post.

TBO I have a lot of pooters to look after and I can't be arsed to
change NIS 2003 for anything better, its a lot of work and headaches
to get everything changed over. Resource wise it mostly does not
matter as we are talking wall to wall office apps not video editing,
the machines are hardly ticking over in the first place.

I will change to Kerio (which I use on the home network) when I get
enough of a pay rise to warrant the change so I won't hold my breath
eh. I am a typical company IT man, got the job not because I knew much
about pooters but because I knew a lot more than the boss, been doing
it ever since with **** all budget and zero support just major
aggravation every time some moron forgets its password or whatever.
Zone Alarm, Sygate to name but two are perfectly adequate firewalls, and
if you are also behind a NAT router...
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Exactly - several - routers & a custom firewall most pricey kit I
ever got out of the boss in one hit.

The BBd was not aimed at you - sorry - got confused with posting what
/ where - it was 2AM and I had been having a large disagreement with
my website all night.

8-)

Jonah
 
I thought I made that clear in my previous post.
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Maybe I missed something, but your explanation below explains it.
TBO I have a lot of pooters to look after and I can't be arsed to
change NIS 2003 for anything better, its a lot of work and headaches
to get everything changed over. Resource wise it mostly does not
matter as we are talking wall to wall office apps not video editing,
the machines are hardly ticking over in the first place.

I will change to Kerio (which I use on the home network) when I get
enough of a pay rise to warrant the change so I won't hold my breath
eh. I am a typical company IT man, got the job not because I knew much
about pooters but because I knew a lot more than the boss, been doing
it ever since with **** all budget and zero support just major
aggravation every time some moron forgets its password or whatever.
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Been there, done that, got the T-shirt .... more aggro working or myself
these days, but I can turn around and say no, if I really want to ;-)
Exactly - several - routers & a custom firewall most pricey kit I
ever got out of the boss in one hit.
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Blind him with science .... invent a scenario, scare the shit out of
him. If he knows so little, he'll be convinced!
The BBd was not aimed at you - sorry - got confused with posting what
/ where - it was 2AM and I had been having a large disagreement with
my website all night.
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Who's the boss? You are. Slap it hard, make it good, and then play the
good guy. It'll work after that.
 
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