Problem with Junk Email blocked senders list

[Larry S.]

I've noticed that occasionally a spam message comes through using my email
account as a return address. It might look something like this:
(e-mail address removed)<[email protected]>. I want to indicate that this is spam,
and the only way to do so seems to be to add the sender to the blocked
senders list. Unfortunately, rather than blocking "(e-mail address removed)" the
program blocks my account information "(e-mail address removed)". I am
surprised that Microsoft Mail does not look for the actual header to block
that. Is there any way I can either prevent the spammers from pretending
their email came from my account, or indicate the real sender to be blocked
(i.e. the address in the header), or do I have to just keep deleting this
junk over and over again with no way to block it? It obviously doesn't do me
any good to add one of my own email accounts to the blocked sender's list.

Thanks for any help you can offer.

 

[Guest]

I've noticed that occasionally a spam message comes through using my email
account as a return address. It might look something like this:
(e-mail address removed)<[email protected]>. I want to indicate that this is
spam,
and the only way to do so seems to be to add the sender to the blocked
senders list. Unfortunately, rather than blocking "(e-mail address removed)" the
program blocks my account information "(e-mail address removed)". I am
surprised that Microsoft Mail does not look for the actual header to block
that. Is there any way I can either prevent the spammers from pretending
their email came from my account, or indicate the real sender to be
blocked
(i.e. the address in the header), or do I have to just keep deleting this
junk over and over again with no way to block it? It obviously doesn't do
me
any good to add one of my own email accounts to the blocked sender's list.

Thanks for any help you can offer.

The Junk Email blocked senders list works well for spammers stupid
enough to use a correct return address all the time, but not for those
who keep making up return addresses. You might try mail rules
instead. Open such a message, click on Message, then Create Rule
From Message..., then the box before Delete it, then the incorrect
return address, then the incorrect return address again but in the
window for Select People, then Remove, then the box before Add,
then type the part of the return address before <, then click on Add,
then OK, then OK again.

This just deletes such mail, not marks it as junk mail.

 

[Larry S.]

Thanks. I think that will work. Wish we could just round up all the
spammers and get out the tar and feathers!

 

[Guest]

You're welcome. I'd like to do that to the spammers too!

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

The answers are No, and No.

The Blocked Senders list is a rather useless tool for stopping most spam,
since spammers seldom use the same return address more than once.

 

[Larry S.]

Gary,

It's my understanding that the real address of the sender can be found in
the header, even when they falsify the return address to be mine. Any idea
why Mail's anti-spam controls don't use that real address? It would seem
easy to have a setup that would allow a feature where any time the return
address was one of my email accounts, the email would also show the real
header address, and allow for that address to be marked as spam to be blocked
instead of the false one shown. Is there any way to work with this to block
the real senders, or to encourage Microsoft to make that adjustment to the
software? By the way, I'm curious how the spammers get my account address in
the from box. I assume it's some kind of automated program, but what exactly
are they doing?

Thanks.

--
Larry S

The answers are No, and No.

The Blocked Senders list is a rather useless tool for stopping most spam,
since spammers seldom use the same return address more than once.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]

I've noticed that occasionally a spam message comes through using my email
account as a return address. It might look something like this:
(e-mail address removed)<[email protected]>. I want to indicate that this is spam,
and the only way to do so seems to be to add the sender to the blocked
senders list. Unfortunately, rather than blocking "(e-mail address removed)" the
program blocks my account information "(e-mail address removed)". I am
surprised that Microsoft Mail does not look for the actual header to block
that. Is there any way I can either prevent the spammers from pretending
their email came from my account, or indicate the real sender to be blocked
(i.e. the address in the header), or do I have to just keep deleting this
junk over and over again with no way to block it? It obviously doesn't do me
any good to add one of my own email accounts to the blocked sender's list.

Thanks for any help you can offer.

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

No, it is not true that the real address can be found in the headers.
A skilled person can find the originating machine's IP address there,
but typically that belongs to a compromised user's machine.
Most spammers nowadays use 'bots' that turn a naive user's
PC into a 'zombie' which is then used to send out spam and viruses.

Spammers use specialized email programs that can do all sorts
of tricks with the To and From addresses.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]

Gary,

It's my understanding that the real address of the sender can be found in
the header, even when they falsify the return address to be mine. Any idea
why Mail's anti-spam controls don't use that real address? It would seem
easy to have a setup that would allow a feature where any time the return
address was one of my email accounts, the email would also show the real
header address, and allow for that address to be marked as spam to be blocked
instead of the false one shown. Is there any way to work with this to block
the real senders, or to encourage Microsoft to make that adjustment to the
software? By the way, I'm curious how the spammers get my account address in
the from box. I assume it's some kind of automated program, but what exactly
are they doing?

Thanks.

--
Larry S

The answers are No, and No.

The Blocked Senders list is a rather useless tool for stopping most spam,
since spammers seldom use the same return address more than once.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]

I've noticed that occasionally a spam message comes through using my email
account as a return address. It might look something like this:
(e-mail address removed)<[email protected]>. I want to indicate that this is spam,
and the only way to do so seems to be to add the sender to the blocked
senders list. Unfortunately, rather than blocking "(e-mail address removed)" the
program blocks my account information "(e-mail address removed)". I am
surprised that Microsoft Mail does not look for the actual header to block
that. Is there any way I can either prevent the spammers from pretending
their email came from my account, or indicate the real sender to be blocked
(i.e. the address in the header), or do I have to just keep deleting this
junk over and over again with no way to block it? It obviously doesn't do me
any good to add one of my own email accounts to the blocked sender's list.

Thanks for any help you can offer.

 

[Larry S.]

Thanks. I appreciate the info.
--
Larry S

No, it is not true that the real address can be found in the headers.
A skilled person can find the originating machine's IP address there,
but typically that belongs to a compromised user's machine.
Most spammers nowadays use 'bots' that turn a naive user's
PC into a 'zombie' which is then used to send out spam and viruses.

Spammers use specialized email programs that can do all sorts
of tricks with the To and From addresses.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]

Gary,

It's my understanding that the real address of the sender can be found in
the header, even when they falsify the return address to be mine. Any idea
why Mail's anti-spam controls don't use that real address? It would seem
easy to have a setup that would allow a feature where any time the return
address was one of my email accounts, the email would also show the real
header address, and allow for that address to be marked as spam to be blocked
instead of the false one shown. Is there any way to work with this to block
the real senders, or to encourage Microsoft to make that adjustment to the
software? By the way, I'm curious how the spammers get my account address in
the from box. I assume it's some kind of automated program, but what exactly
are they doing?

Thanks.

--
Larry S

The answers are No, and No.

The Blocked Senders list is a rather useless tool for stopping most spam,
since spammers seldom use the same return address more than once.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]


I've noticed that occasionally a spam message comes through using my email
account as a return address. It might look something like this:
(e-mail address removed)<[email protected]>. I want to indicate that this is spam,
and the only way to do so seems to be to add the sender to the blocked
senders list. Unfortunately, rather than blocking "(e-mail address removed)" the
program blocks my account information "(e-mail address removed)". I am
surprised that Microsoft Mail does not look for the actual header to block
that. Is there any way I can either prevent the spammers from pretending
their email came from my account, or indicate the real sender to be blocked
(i.e. the address in the header), or do I have to just keep deleting this
junk over and over again with no way to block it? It obviously doesn't do me
any good to add one of my own email accounts to the blocked sender's list.

Thanks for any help you can offer.

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

You're welcome.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]

Thanks. I appreciate the info.
--
Larry S

No, it is not true that the real address can be found in the headers.
A skilled person can find the originating machine's IP address there,
but typically that belongs to a compromised user's machine.
Most spammers nowadays use 'bots' that turn a naive user's
PC into a 'zombie' which is then used to send out spam and viruses.

Spammers use specialized email programs that can do all sorts
of tricks with the To and From addresses.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]

Gary,

It's my understanding that the real address of the sender can be found in
the header, even when they falsify the return address to be mine. Any idea
why Mail's anti-spam controls don't use that real address? It would seem
easy to have a setup that would allow a feature where any time the return
address was one of my email accounts, the email would also show the real
header address, and allow for that address to be marked as spam to be blocked
instead of the false one shown. Is there any way to work with this to block
the real senders, or to encourage Microsoft to make that adjustment to the
software? By the way, I'm curious how the spammers get my account address in
the from box. I assume it's some kind of automated program, but what exactly
are they doing?

Thanks.

--
Larry S


:

The answers are No, and No.

The Blocked Senders list is a rather useless tool for stopping most spam,
since spammers seldom use the same return address more than once.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]


I've noticed that occasionally a spam message comes through using my email
account as a return address. It might look something like this:
(e-mail address removed)<[email protected]>. I want to indicate that this is spam,
and the only way to do so seems to be to add the sender to the blocked
senders list. Unfortunately, rather than blocking "(e-mail address removed)" the
program blocks my account information "(e-mail address removed)". I am
surprised that Microsoft Mail does not look for the actual header to block
that. Is there any way I can either prevent the spammers from pretending
their email came from my account, or indicate the real sender to be blocked
(i.e. the address in the header), or do I have to just keep deleting this
junk over and over again with no way to block it? It obviously doesn't do me
any good to add one of my own email accounts to the blocked sender's list.

Thanks for any help you can offer.

 

[Junk mail]

I marked some messages in junk "this is not junk".
Now I can't find those messages, I wonder if you might know what where they
are.

Thanks,
Michele

You're welcome.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]

Thanks. I appreciate the info.
--
Larry S

No, it is not true that the real address can be found in the headers.
A skilled person can find the originating machine's IP address there,
but typically that belongs to a compromised user's machine.
Most spammers nowadays use 'bots' that turn a naive user's
PC into a 'zombie' which is then used to send out spam and viruses.

Spammers use specialized email programs that can do all sorts
of tricks with the To and From addresses.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]


Gary,

It's my understanding that the real address of the sender can be found in
the header, even when they falsify the return address to be mine. Any idea
why Mail's anti-spam controls don't use that real address? It would seem
easy to have a setup that would allow a feature where any time the return
address was one of my email accounts, the email would also show the real
header address, and allow for that address to be marked as spam to be blocked
instead of the false one shown. Is there any way to work with this to block
the real senders, or to encourage Microsoft to make that adjustment to the
software? By the way, I'm curious how the spammers get my account address in
the from box. I assume it's some kind of automated program, but what exactly
are they doing?

Thanks.

--
Larry S


:

The answers are No, and No.

The Blocked Senders list is a rather useless tool for stopping most spam,
since spammers seldom use the same return address more than once.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]


I've noticed that occasionally a spam message comes through using my email
account as a return address. It might look something like this:
(e-mail address removed)<[email protected]>. I want to indicate that this is spam,
and the only way to do so seems to be to add the sender to the blocked
senders list. Unfortunately, rather than blocking "(e-mail address removed)" the
program blocks my account information "(e-mail address removed)". I am
surprised that Microsoft Mail does not look for the actual header to block
that. Is there any way I can either prevent the spammers from pretending
their email came from my account, or indicate the real sender to be blocked
(i.e. the address in the header), or do I have to just keep deleting this
junk over and over again with no way to block it? It obviously doesn't do me
any good to add one of my own email accounts to the blocked sender's list.

Thanks for any help you can offer.

 

[Laura]

Mine always go back to my Inbox unless I have a message rule for that
account that directs it to another folder. The message will show as read so
make sure your view is set to show all messages.

I marked some messages in junk "this is not junk".
Now I can't find those messages, I wonder if you might know what where
they
are.

Thanks,
Michele

You're welcome.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]

Thanks. I appreciate the info.
--
Larry S


:

No, it is not true that the real address can be found in the headers.
A skilled person can find the originating machine's IP address there,
but typically that belongs to a compromised user's machine.
Most spammers nowadays use 'bots' that turn a naive user's
PC into a 'zombie' which is then used to send out spam and viruses.

Spammers use specialized email programs that can do all sorts
of tricks with the To and From addresses.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]


Gary,

It's my understanding that the real address of the sender can be
found in
the header, even when they falsify the return address to be mine.
Any idea
why Mail's anti-spam controls don't use that real address? It would
seem
easy to have a setup that would allow a feature where any time the
return
address was one of my email accounts, the email would also show the
real
header address, and allow for that address to be marked as spam to
be blocked
instead of the false one shown. Is there any way to work with this
to block
the real senders, or to encourage Microsoft to make that adjustment
to the
software? By the way, I'm curious how the spammers get my account
address in
the from box. I assume it's some kind of automated program, but
what exactly
are they doing?

Thanks.

--
Larry S


:

The answers are No, and No.

The Blocked Senders list is a rather useless tool for stopping most
spam,
since spammers seldom use the same return address more than once.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]


I've noticed that occasionally a spam message comes through using
my email
account as a return address. It might look something like this:
(e-mail address removed)<[email protected]>. I want to indicate that
this is spam,
and the only way to do so seems to be to add the sender to the
blocked
senders list. Unfortunately, rather than blocking
"(e-mail address removed)" the
program blocks my account information "(e-mail address removed)".
I am
surprised that Microsoft Mail does not look for the actual header
to block
that. Is there any way I can either prevent the spammers from
pretending
their email came from my account, or indicate the real sender to
be blocked
(i.e. the address in the header), or do I have to just keep
deleting this
junk over and over again with no way to block it? It obviously
doesn't do me
any good to add one of my own email accounts to the blocked
sender's list.

Thanks for any help you can offer.

 

[Junk mail]

Thanks for your reply. I had to look in find to locate the mail.

Mine always go back to my Inbox unless I have a message rule for that
account that directs it to another folder. The message will show as read so
make sure your view is set to show all messages.

I marked some messages in junk "this is not junk".
Now I can't find those messages, I wonder if you might know what where
they
are.

Thanks,
Michele

You're welcome.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]


Thanks. I appreciate the info.
--
Larry S


:

No, it is not true that the real address can be found in the headers.
A skilled person can find the originating machine's IP address there,
but typically that belongs to a compromised user's machine.
Most spammers nowadays use 'bots' that turn a naive user's
PC into a 'zombie' which is then used to send out spam and viruses.

Spammers use specialized email programs that can do all sorts
of tricks with the To and From addresses.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]


Gary,

It's my understanding that the real address of the sender can be
found in
the header, even when they falsify the return address to be mine.
Any idea
why Mail's anti-spam controls don't use that real address? It would
seem
easy to have a setup that would allow a feature where any time the
return
address was one of my email accounts, the email would also show the
real
header address, and allow for that address to be marked as spam to
be blocked
instead of the false one shown. Is there any way to work with this
to block
the real senders, or to encourage Microsoft to make that adjustment
to the
software? By the way, I'm curious how the spammers get my account
address in
the from box. I assume it's some kind of automated program, but
what exactly
are they doing?

Thanks.

--
Larry S


:

The answers are No, and No.

The Blocked Senders list is a rather useless tool for stopping most
spam,
since spammers seldom use the same return address more than once.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]


I've noticed that occasionally a spam message comes through using
my email
account as a return address. It might look something like this:
(e-mail address removed)<[email protected]>. I want to indicate that
this is spam,
and the only way to do so seems to be to add the sender to the
blocked
senders list. Unfortunately, rather than blocking
"(e-mail address removed)" the
program blocks my account information "(e-mail address removed)".
I am
surprised that Microsoft Mail does not look for the actual header
to block
that. Is there any way I can either prevent the spammers from
pretending
their email came from my account, or indicate the real sender to
be blocked
(i.e. the address in the header), or do I have to just keep
deleting this
junk over and over again with no way to block it? It obviously
doesn't do me
any good to add one of my own email accounts to the blocked
sender's list.

Thanks for any help you can offer.