Print stickers that does not come of in dishwasher?

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I would like to print things in colours on some stickers, and the
stickers and colours most not come off in the dishwasher.

Does anybody make something like that?

Thanks in advance.

Best regards
Mads
 
I would like to print things in colours on some stickers, and the
stickers and colours most not come off in the dishwasher.

Does anybody make something like that?

Thanks in advance.

Best regards
Mads
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I don't think you're going to find something like this easily. Usually
you have to buy dye-sub inks and dye-sub 'papers' in order to make
'decals' that only work on certain types of coffee mugs, etc.

You can get weatherproof, high strength adhesive laser labels in
Office Depot, both in 30-address label sizes, and 1/2 sheet sizes. I
use them for bumper stickers. However, the most common automatic
dishwashing detergent (Cascade) can strip paint off of wood easier
than some paint strippers can. I don't think /any/ label would
possibly hold up in a dishwasher.

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I don't think you're going to find something like this easily. Usually
you have to buy dye-sub inks and dye-sub 'papers' in order to make
'decals' that only work on certain types of coffee mugs, etc.
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Would this work in a dishwasher? If I got dye-sub ing and dye-sub
papers? What is "decals"?

Thanks for the answer, hope you got time for the extra questions.

Regards
M
 
You can get weatherproof, high strength adhesive laser labels in
Office Depot, both in 30-address label sizes, and 1/2 sheet sizes. I
use them for bumper stickers. However, the most common automatic
dishwashing detergent (Cascade) can strip paint off of wood easier
than some paint strippers can. I don't think /any/ label would
possibly hold up in a dishwasher.
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Sodium Carbonate is what i've used to strip paint in a dishwasher. A
few shade tree mechanics i've known have taken their crappy old
dishwasher and used it to clean car parts, and a combo of sodium
carbonate and water pressure does wonders for getting rid of dirt, oil,
and even paint. Never tried Cascade nor do I know what's in it.

I'll have to check out some of the labels i've made using Hammermill
sticker paper coated with urethane, specificly spar urathane.
 
Would this work in a dishwasher? If I got dye-sub ing and dye-sub
papers? What is "decals"?

Thanks for the answer, hope you got time for the extra questions.

Regards
M
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A decal these days is a generic term for something you apply to a
surface and only the graphic/ink/toner/whatever sticks to it, the
transfer sheet peels off. Usually involves heat or water or some other
third item to make it work.

Dye sub uses a different process than inkjets, using colored dye film
layered to produce the image. This can be transferred to coffee mugs,
etc. Depending on what product you buy to do this with, it may or may
not be washable. Also, the setup for doing this can get very expensive
very quickly.

The only other process I could suggest is similar to what zakezuke
said with the spar varnish (which is used in marine applications so is
water resistant), and that's to photocopy the image onto glossy laser
photo paper (I've found that HP paper works best for this), iron the
image onto the mug, etc, soak the paper and lightly scrub it off so
only the toner remains, and then coat it with spar varnish, or,
possibly, some kind of bake-on clearcoat that you can find at some
craft stores for use on glass or ceramicware. I use this process to
transfer toner to metal for use as a resist for chemical milling. I
don't know how well it would transfer to a mug or plate, etc, and it
would be much more difficult to get even heat with the iron.

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http://www.FenrirOnline.com

Computer services, custom metal etching,
arts, crafts, and much more.
 
Fenrir said:
On 6 Mar 2006 00:19:59 -0800, (e-mail address removed) wrote:
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Dye sub uses a different process than inkjets, using colored dye film
layered to produce the image. This can be transferred to coffee mugs,
etc. Depending on what product you buy to do this with, it may or may
not be washable. Also, the setup for doing this can get very expensive
very quickly.
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Just to note something important here because if, like me, you started
looking at dyesub on places like ebay or on some other websites you'd be
forgiven for getting confused when you see a dyesub ink for Epson inkjet
printers.

The confusion is resolved with this nugget of information.

Dye-sublimation ink is heat activated so it is actually possible to
print out onto a suitable transfer sheet using a cold inkjet process
which Epson's piezzo head technology is.. Canon uses heat to shoot out
the ink so just don't even think about it.

Now, note that I said, print a TRANSFER sheet.. By this I mean you can
print out to a suitable print media (can't remember what it was exactly
but it's something fairly non-standard) and then use this print-out to
actually tranfer the image to using a heat process to activate and bond
the ink to the final material (eg: a mug, t-shirt, etc..).


So, you can use dye-sub in inkjet printers but only as part of a 2 stage
process.. ie: print transfer, bond transfer to final media.

Hope that helps..

Martin
 
Now, note that I said, print a TRANSFER sheet.. By this I mean you can
print out to a suitable print media (can't remember what it was exactly
but it's something fairly non-standard) and then use this print-out to
actually tranfer the image to using a heat process to activate and bond
the ink to the final material (eg: a mug, t-shirt, etc..).
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With all the kinds of papers sold, it is a little amzing that no
company has come up with af cheap way to print durable stickers. But i
guess the problem is, you would like to print on the back of a
trasparent sheet, so that the ink gets away from the water. But that
wuld mean printing on that side of the sticker that containt the glue,
and if one prints of the upper side of the papper, nothing will stick
when put in a dishwasher.

Anyhow thanks for all the suggesions and help.

C
 
I would like to print things in colours on some stickers, and the
stickers and colours most not come off in the dishwasher.

Does anybody make something like that?
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Mads-

Stickers just won't do what you seem to want.

You may have seen various items such as coffee mugs sold with souvenir
photos of your child or girlfriend. These frequently use the dye-transfer
process that Martin and Fenrir mentioned. Although they claim to be safe
in the dishwasher, you may find that the image or printing fades and
shifts color after numerous washings.

Have you ever seen a craft shop that had "kiln" ovens for firing
ceramics? First you pour your liquid clay into a mold, let it dry and
then fire it in the kiln. Then you apply paints that will turn to a glass
when they are fired, and lettering can be applied at that time. After the
paint has been fired, a final glaze coat is applied and fired. This is
the only method I know of that is close to permanent and will stand up to
frequent dishwashing. If you looked into it, perhaps there are methods of
using the computer to create the text and images that can be fired onto
the ceramic.

Fred
 
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