Portable Printers

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Two I know of are the HP 450 and the Canon i70. Are there others available
also?

What are the advantages and disadvantages of the different models--in print
quality, speed, cost, cost of ink per page, paper handling, durability,
features, etc., etc., etc.?
 
Well said MS, there is always some ignorant pratt trying to be clever and
showing what an idiot he is.

Bryan
 
there's the Canon BJC-85 (which I use, not the most portable and getting a
battery pack for it is a pain, but it does pretty damn good color work, also
makes fair copies, and can be used as a fax machine), also the two you
mentioned. There is also one that uses thermal paper and is very small,
sorry, can't think of the name of it at the moment.

Thanks, Richard.

I thought the BJC-85 had been superseded by the newer Canon i-70. Are there
any advantages to the 85? How can you use it as a copier and fax machine?
 
Actually, it isn't. This is comp.sys.laptops.
What a snotty reply, Perdita! Perhaps you have lost your dreams, as your

But absolutely merited. Do your own research.
And where did I say I "can't do a Google search"? Please tell me. In fact, I

You can't. If you could, you'd have done it.
did do a Google search, before posting this thread. Of course, most of what
comes up on such a search are advertisements, price search engines, etc. I

Then you can't do a google search. Learn to search.
also did a search of Google groups, and read the results. There were some
discussions of portable printers previously on Usenet, but none that I saw

Excellent. Keep going. Now that IS research. COmpile the answers and
form a conclusion.
were very recent, compared current models with each other, etc. So, I posted
a new thread asking about the topic. The whole point of Usenet is for users

Wrong. You should have posted a new thread detailing the results of
your research, and asking for commentary and corrections.
to share information, opinions, etc. I'm sure there are others interested in

What a cheek! No, we are not here to do your work for you. You do some
work, and other people will chip in with what they can, but they will
not do your work for you.

Learn.

Peter
 
MS said:
Two I know of are the HP 450 and the Canon i70. Are there others available
also?

What are the advantages and disadvantages of the different models--in print
quality, speed, cost, cost of ink per page, paper handling, durability,
features, etc., etc., etc.?

I've got the HP450 I liked the fact that it hold both colour and black an
white cartridges at the same time, it has a built in sheet feeder and is
very fast the quality is very good so I only ever use it in draft mode, the
battery is included in the 450bci version but not in the 450bc version, the
battery is great and seems to go for ever, the only downside is the size its
a little bigger than the competition but that was not a factor in my choice,
the ink can be refilled but I must admit I've got the kit to do it but have
not needed to yet

hope thats some help
cheers
 
Sounds like you are "Perdita" under a different name, right "Peter"?
But absolutely merited. Do your own research.

Is that your answer to anyone who asks a question on a newsgroup? As I wrote
before, I did do "research" before writing here. I wrote here to ask about
other's experience with such printers. Is that not what newsgroups are for,
for people to discuss, which includes asking questions?

Absolutely not merited.

I hope people will remember your snotty replies next time "Peter" or
"Perdita" ask a question.
fact, I

You can't. If you could, you'd have done it.

I did do it, as I wrote. Now can you take your head out of your ass?
Then you can't do a google search. Learn to search.

OK, what is Peter's magic way of doing a Google search about a product
without coming across tons of advertisements? Teach us Mr Know-it-All Peter
(who doesn't need to ever ask a question, as he already has "done his own
research". (Don't ask questions of other human beings, Peter. Do you own
research!)
users

Wrong. You should have posted a new thread detailing the results of
your research, and asking for commentary and corrections.

What is "wrong"? My last sentence? Why did you cut off most of it? It was
about users discussing with each other, which includes asking questions. Do
you dispute that? Don't tell me what "I should do", you ass!
interested in

What a cheek! No, we are not here to do your work for you.

So, asking questions of others is asking them to "do your work for you"?
What an utter idiot you are! I think you should stop reading newsgroups,
Peter, as you must be constantly getting mad at people for asking questions.
Usenet is full of people asking questions of others. Yes, asking questions
is part of "learning". Especially in computer newsgroups like these, people
are asking questions all the time. You must be constantly upset with your
fellow human beings, no? Sometime if I have the time, I might do a Google
Groups search (yes, I know how) of all posts by you (under those two names,
at least), and see if most of your posts are complaining about others asking
questions.

Yes, God. Thou hast spoken! "Learn", without ever asking for any help,
without asking questions!

My one mistake is wasting my time responding to you. Trolls are better
ignored. (I think you are a troll, writing snotty "replies" like that to get
attention. Better not to give you any.) Perhaps next time I'll exercise
better self-control and ignore you, which is how trolls should be treated.
 
Thanks for the info! :-)

xNokia_3390x said:
How portable do you need it to be? There are many small and light printers
(such as the Canon i320) -- but they aren't battery powered. IIRC, the
Canon portable printers (may have been the previous generation with the
BJC-85) had VERY small ink cartridges. Obviously it needs to be small to be
portable, but it's ridiculous how small it was and how much it cost. The HP
450 uses the 56/57 cartridges -- that would be a lot more reasonable in
terms of ink. I haven't got time to check on the i70, although I hope
they're using cartridges with more ink now.

Good luck with your shopping!
 
Thank you. Does the 450 do good photos?

Howie said:
I've got the HP450 I liked the fact that it hold both colour and black an
white cartridges at the same time, it has a built in sheet feeder and is
very fast the quality is very good so I only ever use it in draft mode, the
battery is included in the 450bci version but not in the 450bc version, the
battery is great and seems to go for ever, the only downside is the size its
a little bigger than the competition but that was not a factor in my choice,
the ink can be refilled but I must admit I've got the kit to do it but have
not needed to yet

hope thats some help
cheers
 
MS said:
Thank you. Does the 450 do good photos?
Not used it much for photos I've got a canoni850 for that, but the graphic
printing is very good indeed, I use it for letterheads and illustrations on
paperwork that I leave with clients and it does a very professional job

cheers
 
In comp.sys.laptops MS said:
[ptb]
But absolutely merited. Do your own research.
Is that your answer to anyone who asks a question on a newsgroup? As I wrote
before, I did do "research" before writing here.

What you keep hidden is up to you. If you do research, tell us about
it that we may add to it. Give, and you shall receive.
I wrote here to ask about
other's experience with such printers. Is that not what newsgroups are for,

No, it's not.
for people to discuss, which includes asking questions?

It's for discussion. Discussion starts by establishing common ground.
Questions come after some time has been invested in setting up the
discussion, after points of view have been exchanged, etc.

Questions are for helpdesks.
Absolutely not merited.

Indeed, as I said.
I did do it, as I wrote. Now can you take your head out of your ass?

If you had done it, you'd have told us about it, so you didn't do it.
OK, what is Peter's magic way of doing a Google search about a product
without coming across tons of advertisements? Teach us Mr Know-it-All Peter

Add keywords to eliminate the stuff you don't want. Even click on the
"more like this" link! Restrict the search to newsgroups. Etc.

Just for starters.
(who doesn't need to ever ask a question, as he already has "done his own
research". (Don't ask questions of other human beings, Peter. Do you own
research!)

I certainly do. No, I don't ask.

What is "wrong"? My last sentence? Why did you cut off most of it?

I didn't. It went on too long and on to another line. So I got tired of
quoting it and interjected there. You can pick up the trail if you
like. Is the sense altered? I don't think so.

about users discussing with each other, which includes asking questions. Do
you dispute that? Don't tell me what "I should do", you ass!

Don't call people an ass, you twat. Yes, I tell you what you should and
shoudl not do. And as you say, discussions often include questions, but
unfortunately for you, questions do not subsume discussions.

False reasoning. Minus ten points. Go back under stone.
So, asking questions of others is asking them to "do your work for you"?

Yep. Do your own research. When you have some under your belt, offer
it, and ask for agreement or disagreement. That's netiquette. Also
human social etiquette.
What an utter idiot you are! I think you should stop reading newsgroups,
Peter, as you must be constantly getting mad at people for asking questions.

Sure I do.
Usenet is full of people asking questions of others. Yes, asking questions

Then they get told off.
is part of "learning".

Only for the "idiots". You don't notice the intelligent people doing
anything else than answering the questions, do you?


Especially in computer newsgroups like these, people
are asking questions all the time.

They spit on the sidewalk too. tell 'em off if you see them.
You must be constantly upset with your
fellow human beings, no? Sometime if I have the time, I might do a Google
Groups search (yes, I know how) of all posts by you (under those two names,
at least), and see if most of your posts are complaining about others asking
questions.

Go ahead. You'll find it's so.
Yes, God. Thou hast spoken! "Learn", without ever asking for any help,
without asking questions!

Yep. Like the rest of the world does. Where do you think you are? In
primary school? No, the rest of the world is not your personal primary
school tutor. There are no answers in the real world, only opinions.

Learn.
My one mistake is wasting my time responding to you. Trolls are better
ignored. (I think you are a troll, writing snotty "replies" like that to get
attention. Better not to give you any.) Perhaps next time I'll exercise
better self-control and ignore you, which is how trolls should be treated.

Kindly roll back under the insult-stone you accidently rolled out from
under. Etc. And seal the entrance behind you. No - the effluent
doesn't need removing first.


Peter
 
Toby said:
http://www.techworthy.com/Laptop/TOC-September2003.htm

Get this issue. I think the cannon gets their approval here.

Toby

Just got the issue, and read the article. Yes, their top rating is for the
Canon i70. But it's interesting to look at the details.

The author says, for instance that the HP 450 gets better print quality than
the Canon i70. However, they give the Canon a higher rating due to its
smaller size and weight (of course, important factors when choosing a
"mobile" printer, and price.

I think the author, however, wasn't very careful about his "research". For
instance, in discussing the price he mentions a list price of $249 for the
Canon and $349 for the HP. That is incorrect, if one is comparing similar
configurations.

The HP model he had was the 450 cbi. That one has a list price of $349, and
includes the battery. The list price for the model without the battery is
$299. The battery does not come with the Canon i70 (I think), it is only
available as an option.

Therefore, in comparing both without battery, yes the Canon is cheaper, but
only by $50, not by $100 which the article implies. If one does want a
battery (quite likely if one is buying a mobile printer), one would have to
compare the price with battery. As the Canon does not have a model that has
the battery included, you have to buy the battery separate. I don't know the
price of the Canon battery, but those special batteries are often quite
expensive. To compare the price of both units with a battery, one would have
to find out the price on the Canon battery. If it is $100, for example, the
Canon i70 with battery (considering list prices) would cost the same as the
HP 450 CBI with battery, both $349.

Another inaccuracy, from what I see on the HP site regarding specifications.
The author writes that the HP comes with a bluetooth adapter. When I look at
product descriptions on the web, although I see it mentioned that the
printer has a compact flash slot, in which one can put a CF Bluetooth
adapter, I do not see anything about such an adapter coming with the
printer. I'm pretty sure one would have to buy that separately. (Anyone know
the price of such adapters offhand?)

Thanks to the helpful people who wish to discuss hardware like this.
 
Peter T. Breuer said:
Only for the "idiots". You don't notice the intelligent people doing
anything else than answering the questions, do you?

Quite wrong, Peter. Asking questions is a very important part of learning.
Yes, intelligent people ask many questions. You obviously do not fall into
that category. You think you know it all, are superior to other human
beings, do not need to ask questions, and are an arrogant jerk.

Yep. Like the rest of the world does.

Extremely incorrect. Who is the "rest of the world"? You alone? Most people
ask a lot of questions throughout life, and that is how human beings learn.

You in fact admitted that most of your time reading newsgroups is consumed
with getting angry at people for asking questions. Who is the "rest of the
world"?
There are no answers in the real world, only opinions.

Well, that one I agree with, for the most part. I wouldn't make the
statement as absolute as you do, and say there are "no answers". I think it
is pretty clear that 2+2=4, that is not a matter of opinion, or whether the
sun rises every day. But yes, most things are a matter of opinions,
certainly including the subject of this thread. There is no absolute answer
concerning "what is the best portable printer", and I did not ask for such
an absurd reply. I asked for other people (those who cared to do so) to
share their experiences and opinions about portable printers. (Yes, that is
a form of "research". Writing such a question on newsgroups was part of my
"research" (and quite a valid one) about portable printers, including a
Google search, a Google Groups search, reading various sites, buying a
magazine someone here suggested, etc., etc. All valid research methods.)

In what university did you learn about "research"? Did your profs say "don't
ask questions"??

Go stick your head back up your ass, Peter, and think you are smarter than
anyone else, because you "see things in there that others don't see" (and
"smell things that others don't smell" ;-)), and don't ask any of those
goddamned questions!!
 
In comp.sys.laptops MS said:
Quite wrong, Peter. Asking questions is a very important part of learning.

Asking them of YOURSELF. Answering them yourself, via your own
researches and thought experiments, is also important. Notice me asking
you any quezzies?
Yes, intelligent people ask many questions. You obviously do not fall into

No, they don't. They ask THEMSELVES many questions. Asking other people
is not what intelligent people do, because intelligent people think for
themself.
that category. You think you know it all, are superior to other human
beings, do not need to ask questions, and are an arrogant jerk.

False on all twenty counts. So go boil your lusership.
Extremely incorrect. Who is the "rest of the world"? You alone? Most people
ask a lot of questions throughout life, and that is how human beings learn.

No they don't. Human beings learn by altering their thought processes.
The degree of change is one measure of their learning. Another measure
is the change in the type of their response from case-based ("reflex")
to reasoned.
You in fact admitted that most of your time reading newsgroups is consumed
with getting angry at people for asking questions. Who is the "rest of the
world"?

The complement of "you".
Well, that one I agree with, for the most part. I wouldn't make the
statement as absolute as you do, and say there are "no answers". I think it
is pretty clear that 2+2=4, that is not a matter of opinion, or whether the

It is a matter of opinion. I think it's 22.
sun rises every day. But yes, most things are a matter of opinions,
certainly including the subject of this thread. There is no absolute answer
concerning "what is the best portable printer", and I did not ask for such
Indeed.

an absurd reply. I asked for other people (those who cared to do so) to
share their experiences and opinions about portable printers. (Yes, that is

You did. However, you did not offer your own research first, or say that
you had done any. Thus you give the appearance of taking, not giving.
a form of "research". Writing such a question on newsgroups was part of my
"research" (and quite a valid one) about portable printers, including a

Then find instead a form that consists of

1) this is what I have found out
2) this is what I think
3) what do you lot know and think?
Google search, a Google Groups search, reading various sites, buying a
magazine someone here suggested, etc., etc. All valid research methods.)

And what was the result of your research? Pray summarize. I don't
believe I've seen you say anything much on the subject?
In what university did you learn about "research"? Did your profs say "don't

None. I don't think I learned how to research until after I finished my
first postdoc. In my second, in fact.
ask questions"??

Yep. The prof asked the questions, occasionally.

[nasty stuff deleted in the interests of Geschmeck]

Peter
 
Peter T. Breuer said:
learning.

Asking them of YOURSELF. Answering them yourself, via your own
researches and thought experiments, is also important. Notice me asking
you any quezzies?

And you are an absolute idiot! Human beings have always learned from each
other. The idea that one should learn just by asking and answering your own
questions yourself is absurd!

No, I guess you don't believe in asking questions, that's why you are so
dumb!
No, they don't. They ask THEMSELVES many questions. Asking other people
is not what intelligent people do, because intelligent people think for
themself.

That is so ridiculous! You are unbelievable! Yes, idiot, intelligent people
(a category in which you fall far short of belonging to) ask each other
questions.

IYO, "thinking for yourself" means having no communication with other human
beings? Why in hell do you look at newsgroups? Just to criticize everybody
for discussing with each other, for "not thinking for themself"?
I think it
It is a matter of opinion. I think it's 22.

Let me get this clear. You think that adding 2 + 2 =22, because that's your
"opinion", because you "think for yourself", and don't want to "think like
others"? Do you realize that your idiocy becomes more obvious with every
word you write?
You did. However, you did not offer your own research first, or say that
you had done any.

I don't think I need to waste everyone's time and bandwidth reporting
everything I ever read before about portable printers, if I didn't find much
of interest. I did mention a couple models I had read about in my research,
and wanted to hear from people who had used them or others.
Then find instead a form that consists of

1) this is what I have found out
2) this is what I think
3) what do you lot know and think?

1)You are not paying much attention, other than wanting to criticize. I have
commented on articles I have read about portable printers, and information I
have found out. Have you looked at it? Do you have any interest in portable
printers? Do you have anything to contribute on the subject? (You certainly
haven't, at least so far. Everything you write has just been to attack and
criticize others, which seems like your favorite pastime, to think you are
"superior". ) If not, why in hell are you reading this thread?

2)What do I think? I have never used one of these printers, so I cannot give
my review of them. Therefore, I have asked if others have used these, and
others seemed interested in joining a discussion on the subject. You just
enter the thread to attack people and smugly feel superior, and not
contribute anything.
None. I don't think I learned how to research until after I finished my
first postdoc. In my second, in fact.

I don't believe it. You sure don't seem very intelligent to me, an idiot in
fact. What areas did you study? You didn't ask any questions in studying
them?


My main fault in this--wasting my time, and Usenet bandwidth, in answering
you. I couldn't resist. Perhaps I'll do better next time, and not even read
what you write. I started this thread to discuss portable printers with
others, and to "learn" about them, not to engage in a shouting match with an
arrogant idiot! Perhaps iot's time to put you in a killfile, so your posts
don't appear in my newsreader, and I'm not tempted to respond. If I was to
apologize to the newsgroup for anything, it certainly wouldn't be for my
original post, discussing a relevant issue, but that I have wasted NG
bandwidth participating in these ridiculous arguments with an idiotic
arrogant troll! (Sorry folks, I'll try to restrain myself next time.)
 
(Anyone know
the price of such adapters offhand?)

I looked it up, and there is one such CF printer adapter that HP recommends,
by Anycom, that costs about $100. (If the author of the article is correct
when he says that this comes with the 450 cbi, that would make that package
a much better price than the Canon. But nothing anywhere on the HP site,
that I could find at least, indicates that this adapter comes with the
printer, in any configuration.)

Besides the CF Bluetooth adapters for printers, I found parallel port
Bluetooth adapters, much less expensive. But since not all printers these
days still have parallel ports, and a minority have CF card slots, but all
have USB, it seems to me that a USB solution would be best, and wonder why I
don't see that more. (There are many USB adapters for computers, fairly
inexpensive ($30-$40), but of course that is the other USB port (I forget
which is A and B), so is for the computer, not the printer.) (Seems more
logical than CF too, since the USB port is where the printing signals
usually enter a USB printer.)

However, I did find one such USB printer solution, and that seems to be the
best deal to me, could work with any current printer. It looks like it's not
yet available yet, I hope it will be soon. It is a kit that includes two USB
adapters, one for the computer, one for the printer. List price $69, seen at
one online site for $65.95, and another for $54.95. The latter one is:

http://www.digitallyunique.net/wpkit.html (I've lost the other URL now.)

I was about to order one from the latter, when I noticed the message "Out of
Stock".

I also found the manufacturer's site. Their description of it is at:

http://www.ambicom.com/products/comingsoon/wp-kit-feat.html

Notice that it is under the heading "coming soon", which means the
manufacturer hasn't even shipped any yet. I guess that explains why it's
"out-of-stock". ;-) I'll call the manufacturers soon and see if I can get an
idea when they will become available. I think that might be a Bluetooth
printing solution worth waiting for, if one doesn't have a printer that
already has Bluetooth capability. Surprised that more companies aren't
making USB Bluetooth printer adapters. (There could be others, that I'm not
aware of. Anyone know of any available now?)
 
And you are an absolute idiot! Human beings have always learned from each

No they haven't. Quite the opposite. Do you come from a primary school
background? Or secondary school, at most? Those are the only situations
I know of in which it is supposed that somebody else holds the answers
and the trick is to get them out of them!
other. The idea that one should learn just by asking and answering your own
questions yourself is absurd!

Then consider the world absurd, because that's how it works. Learning
is a personal voyage of questioning YOURSELF, and answering yourself.
That is so ridiculous! You are unbelievable! Yes, idiot, intelligent people
(a category in which you fall far short of belonging to) ask each other
questions.

They certainly don't! Only children ask questions of some supposed
knowlegable person, as though learning was a possession rather than
an experience!
IYO, "thinking for yourself" means having no communication with other human

No, it doesn't mean that. It's simply orthogonal. Mind you, a listener
can be a useful channel for which to organise your thoughts (and realise
the answer to your personal conundrum thereby :-).
Let me get this clear. You think that adding 2 + 2 =22, because that's your

Yep. Why do you think it's 4, when it's clearly 22? 4 doesn't even have
a 2 in it, and you wanted to put 2s together to make it!
"opinion", because you "think for yourself", and don't want to "think like
others"? Do you realize that your idiocy becomes more obvious with every
word you write?

So you think you know the answer, eh? And you don't think it's 22? I
wonder why not! The babylonians knew better. They wrote 2 as 11, and
they added 2 and 2 by writing 1111, which is clearly two 11s, or 22.
Who are you to dispute the basis of civilization!

And if you really want to find out how most computer languages add two
strings, you can go ask yourself, and answer it.
I don't think I need to waste everyone's time and bandwidth reporting
everything I ever read before about portable printers, if I didn't find much

Quite right. You need to waste their time offering a succinct summary
of your research. But you want us to waste our time and bandwidth
writing such summaries for you! Curious.
of interest. I did mention a couple models I had read about in my research,

How did you choose those models? (I don't recall ANY such mention in your
post, but then you can quote yourself if you wish to argue with me on
the point ..). And why?
and wanted to hear from people who had used them or others.

Them or others? That covers a lot of ground! But it's a good start. Too
bad you didn't do so, really.
1)You are not paying much attention, other than wanting to criticize. I have
commented on articles I have read about portable printers, and information I

Not in your original post. Later, much later, along the way, you have
let slip some personal opinion and research.
have found out. Have you looked at it? Do you have any interest in portable
printers? Do you have anything to contribute on the subject? (You certainly

I have no interest in portable printers. The idea is silly. In the
first place I never print anything, and in the second there are
printing shops anywhere you go (what do they take? floppies?). If I
ever break my own rule and print anything, I send the stuff to a network
printer somewhere and then go and get it.

I have a friend who has a lightweight printer at home. As far as I
recall it's one of those compaq ones like a black slim toilet roll, and
he occasionally takes it on trips. Again, I don't see the point. One
can always print at hotels, since they can print themselves. And even
in the most unmodern hotel one can make a fax out of it and send it to
the hotel via modem. They have telephones. I imagine my friend has it
so he can print while actually at business meetings. But I seriously
doubt that he's used it in anger in the last few years.
haven't, at least so far. Everything you write has just been to attack and
criticize others, which seems like your favorite pastime, to think you are

Oh, no it isn't. In this particular thread I've criticised you. Yep,
it's getting to be a "favorite", since you're such easy meat.
2)What do I think? I have never used one of these printers, so I cannot give

Well, I suggest you buy one as a throwaway and discover the deficiencies
as far as you are concerned. Your second buy will be better. In the
age of throwaway technology, it's not worth thinking about because the
model won't be on the shelves for more than a few months.
my review of them. Therefore, I have asked if others have used these, and
others seemed interested in joining a discussion on the subject. You just

Their contributions have been generous. Yours have not.
I don't believe it. You sure don't seem very intelligent to me, an idiot in

You can look me up on the net easy enough. It just shows you how good
your perception is!
fact. What areas did you study? You didn't ask any questions in studying
them?

Of course not. In the first place, good people don't "study", even when
they're in the student larva form - they "interest themselves" in a
subject. In the second place questions are things you ask, and answer,
yourself, by research. That's precisely how you learn.
My main fault in this--wasting my time, and Usenet bandwidth, in answering
you. I couldn't resist. Perhaps I'll do better next time, and not even read
Turrrrf.

what you write. I started this thread to discuss portable printers with
others, and to "learn" about them, not to engage in a shouting match with an

Then go away and learn about them. When you know something, come back
and offer your summary, and see if other people can contribute. Where's
your analysis of the characteristics, technologies, etc? So what are
you going for? Inkjet? Are there no lightweight laser technologies? I
only trust laserprinters myself, but I guess the electrostatic
photocopy process requires heavy machinery.

Peter
 
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