Please suggest a MoBo for new office PC's

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I need to build a new peer-to-peer network for the office. It's important for the MoBo's
to have the following features:

Support att least P4 1.7mHz
Has onboard video and NIC
Onboard audio will be nice
at least 2-3 PCI slots
DURABILITY

My budget for each PC is up to $300. Can you suggest a MoBo?
 
JJC said:
I need to build a new peer-to-peer network for the office. It's important for the MoBo's
to have the following features:

Support att least P4 1.7mHz
Has onboard video and NIC
Onboard audio will be nice
at least 2-3 PCI slots
DURABILITY

My budget for each PC is up to $300. Can you suggest a MoBo?
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Do you need another PC or do you need a network? If you need a
network, why not just buy routers/switches or hubs? If you need a
cheap PC, buy one from eBay or get the special of the week from Office
Depot, Staples, Office Max, Best Buy, etc...
 
Need to have 4 clients and a server. The cheap ones are clients, I already have a P4 3.0 box for server. Will get router and run cat 5 cables. Just need to know what MoBo to build the cliebts on.

Do you need another PC or do you need a network? If you need a
network, why not just buy routers/switches or hubs? If you need a
cheap PC, buy one from eBay or get the special of the week from Office
Depot, Staples, Office Max, Best Buy, etc...
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JJC said:
I need to build a new peer-to-peer network for the office. It's important
for the MoBo's to have the following features:

Support att least P4 1.7mHz
Has onboard video and NIC
Onboard audio will be nice
at least 2-3 PCI slots
DURABILITY

My budget for each PC is up to $300. Can you suggest a MoBo?
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For that budget forget Intel processors, this board if rock solid and with
an XP2000 or so should do anything you need it to do. No oclocking but it
would be stupid to oclock an office machine. I've built a bunch of systems
using this board and NONE have given any problems.

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=13-131-433&depa=1
 
For that budget forget Intel processors, this board if rock solid and with
an XP2000 or so should do anything you need it to do. No oclocking but it
would be stupid to oclock an office machine. I've built a bunch of systems
using this board and NONE have given any problems.

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=13-131-433&depa=1
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I haven't used this board, but I support the view. You get a nF220
board for $64, and ASUS and nVidia! The two most respected trademarks
in the AMD world. And a XP2000 will be almost twice as fast as a
1.7MHz on office apps.
Be careful about noise from fans though.


ancra
 
i care less about your relatives....

Ancra said:
- Oh is it, now?
Well, I'm sure as hell not ashamed of cheering for AMD. and I'm not
making any secret of it either.

This does not suit you perhaps?

The estimate "_almost_ twice as fast" was based upon the relative
performance of my nephews XP1800+ relative to my 2.4GHz P4.
(last Intel I'm ever going to buy as long as AMD survives)(his 1800 is
noticably faster).

But you're right in asking for substance, so as for "unfounded":
Since you prompted me for it, I looked around for a general
application or business benchmark. Found one immediatly, at first try.
And behold, I wasn't too far off the mark:

Business Winstone 2002:
Athlon XP2000+ 32.8
Pentium 4 1.7GHz 22.6

http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1810&p=6


ancra
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you know these unfounded little 'facts' like twice as fast in office apps is getting old...
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- Oh is it, now?
Well, I'm sure as hell not ashamed of cheering for AMD. and I'm not
making any secret of it either.

This does not suit you perhaps?

The estimate "_almost_ twice as fast" was based upon the relative
performance of my nephews XP1800+ relative to my 2.4GHz P4.
(last Intel I'm ever going to buy as long as AMD survives)(his 1800 is
noticably faster).

But you're right in asking for substance, so as for "unfounded":
Since you prompted me for it, I looked around for a general
application or business benchmark. Found one immediatly, at first try.
And behold, I wasn't too far off the mark:

Business Winstone 2002:
Athlon XP2000+ 32.8
Pentium 4 1.7GHz 22.6

http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1810&p=6


ancra
 
JAD said:
i care less about your relatives....
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What part of the following do you fail to comprehend?:

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General Usage Performance



Although not as performance-critical as content creation applications, it is
the set of every day applications like Office and other general usage
programs that the majority of users find themselves interacting with the
most, thus performance here is also very important.

Xp2400 35.5

Xp2000+ 32.8

P4 1.7 22.6
----------------------

They are building systems for office use and given the price of the cheapest
P4 is the 1.8Gh P4 is at $124,

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=19-116-134&depa=1

they could afford to get a XP2400/266 at $85

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=19-103-336&depa=1

and have some cash left over to buy extra ram/bigger drive. With the extra
ram and the faster chip why not go with AMD? For this application and the
budget of $300 per box, there is no reason to use an intel chip.
 
Ancra said:
I haven't used this board, but I support the view. You get a nF220
board for $64, and ASUS and nVidia! The two most respected trademarks
in the AMD world. And a XP2000 will be almost twice as fast as a
1.7MHz on office apps.
Be careful about noise from fans though.
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I've found the stock AMD coolers to be fine as far as noise and work fine
at stock speeds. It's the Oclocking HSF's that sound like a jet airplane!
 
What part of the following do you fail to comprehend?:


The part about why AMD needs so many salesman

1 benchmark says it all eh?
 
What part of the following do you fail to comprehend?:


The part about why AMD needs so many salesman
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-Aaah! My original hunch was right! - This is really what's bugging
you!

On an unmoderated ng that is intended for sharing info and experience
about PC technology, you take offense at sensible advice concerning
the strengths of the Athlon and weaknesses of the Pentium 4?
1 benchmark says it all eh?
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Venting frustration again, eh? Like that idiotpiece on my relatives?
No, 1 benchmark doesn't say it _ALL_. But we're not discussing all
here, we're talking general & business performance.

....As for the rest, Stacey, who (I belive ;)) is Intel, if biased at
all, not as I am 'AMD', has made IMO a pretty good job of educating
people of the different characteristics of the P4 and Athlon. I don't
think he's been exactly lacking in pointing out the P4 strengths.
So my opinion on what's really the problem here, is affirmed.


ancra
 
um you are seriously going in the WRONG direction with this you have not found a fanatic (like yourself) about the subject nor do
I care about your opinions on how fast something is. AMD is cheaper thats all. I have had them in desktop machines I owned and a
Laptop or two. whoopee who gives a damn.....quit talking bullshit you want to SUGGEST using them great, other than that keep the
'convo on terra firma' and don't interject your OPINION as fact.
 
um you are seriously going in the WRONG direction with this
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- Oh yes indeed! But you started this, and I'm taking it wherever it
goes. >:-(
you have not found a fanatic (like yourself) about the subject nor do
I care about your opinions on how fast something is. AMD is cheaper thats all. I have had them in desktop machines I owned and a
Laptop or two. whoopee who gives a damn.....
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??? - You think my beef with you is some AMD vs Intel issue??!
- How do you socialize in your family??
(But OK, rereading the thread, I can suddenly see why you could think
that. So I might owe you an explanation. Well, the "bugging",
"frustration", "hunch", "problem" I've been mentioning, refers to you
trying to shut me up.)
quit talking bullshit you want to SUGGEST using them great, other than that keep the
'convo on terra firma' and don't interject your OPINION as fact.
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I'm going to be very elaborate. But let's cut right to the core of
this right from the start, so there won't be any misunderstandings:

- I'll post whatever I damn please! - Even my OPINION!
You may argue/debate with me, but you _MAY_NOT_MODERATE_ me! Nor do I
take well to being called fanatic or any other abuse.
"you know these unfounded little 'facts' like twice as fast in office apps is getting old..."
"i care less about your relatives...."
"The part about why AMD needs so many salesman"
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What f*** kind of comments is that? >:-(
I'll tell you what f*** kind of comments it is. It's the kind of
insidious remarks from someone who doesn't care to see my posts or
opinions on this group, and who talking down from some conceited air
of superiourity, tries to do something about it.

- And if there's anything that is "talking bullshit" and doesn't
belong here, it's exactly that!

And now me "fanatic"? Excuse me, mr. selfstyled moderator, I'm not
going to let you brand me that.

Really? "fanatic"? I'm confessed biased. It's a question of honesty,
people should know where I stand. So how come you figure I merit the
label 'fanatic'. My posts? Let's see now:
I've always pointed out P4 is better on media.
I never even mentioned AMD in my recent exchange with 'unbekannt'
since I knew he would be better served by an Intel P4.
Also recently, I even interjected that a P4 would do well, when I
learned that 'Night-Seer' planned XP3000+ was going to be used for
Adobe Photoshop.

Is:
Business Winstone 2002:
Athlon XP2000+ 32.8
Pentium 4 1.7GHz 22.6
my opinion?
It was quite ok of you asking for that evidence. You're in full right
sofar. But your choice of words and general tone, made me suspect you
didn't really care and something else was the agenda. And I sure seem
to be right about that.
"nor do I care about your opinions on how fast something is"
"whoopee who gives a damn....."
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Exactly! That's not your point at all. Your point is that since you
don't care about my opinions, you figure I shouldn't post them..
Well, you're in for a disappointment.


ancra
 
Stacey said:
I've found the stock AMD coolers to be fine as far as noise and work fine
at stock speeds. It's the Oclocking HSF's that sound like a jet
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airplane!

A jet airplane? That's an understatement <g>! I used a Vantec HSF
that has a 6,000 rpm Delta fan. That thing was so loud you could hear
from all the other rooms on the top floor of the house. I think my
tower actually experienced lift with that one. I finally replaced it
with a Zalman flower hs and a large 2,500 rpm fan. It runs very quiet
and does it's cooling job very well. I don't overclock my XP so
there's no need anymore for that loud Vantec HSF.
 
Peter said:
airplane!

A jet airplane? That's an understatement <g>! I used a Vantec HSF
that has a 6,000 rpm Delta fan. That thing was so loud you could hear
from all the other rooms on the top floor of the house. I think my
tower actually experienced lift with that one. I finally replaced it
with a Zalman flower hs and a large 2,500 rpm fan. It runs very quiet
and does it's cooling job very well. I don't overclock my XP so
there's no need anymore for that loud Vantec HSF.
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Have you tried the stock coolers? If you don't oclock like crazy (I oclock
whatever they will take at factory voltage) they are fine.
 
JJC said:
I need to build a new peer-to-peer network for the office. It's important for the MoBo's
to have the following features:

Support att least P4 1.7mHz
Has onboard video and NIC
Onboard audio will be nice
at least 2-3 PCI slots
DURABILITY

My budget for each PC is up to $300. Can you suggest a MoBo?
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Are you saying you have up to 300 apiece for each mobo?
 
JAD said:
What part of the following do you fail to comprehend?:


The part about why AMD needs so many salesman

1 benchmark says it all eh?
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Now I'm an AMD salesperson? LOL WHen I suggest an Intel system for video
editing I'm a "Rabid Intel user" but when someone has a $300 budget for
office boxes I find it dumb to spend almost half of it on a slower Intel
chip, I'm now an AMD pusher?

Why don't =you= explain how a P4 1.8 is better than a XP2400 and worth
almost twice the money?

Find 1 benchmark doing ANYTHING where a P4 1.8 beats an XP2400!
 
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